No offence to Warner but hes dished it out for years and now he just looks like a sook who can't handle it when its dished back. What De Cock said was wrong but Warner cant cry wolf. He is a genuine angry little unit.

Terrific test match cricket last night. Rabada was sensational in that spell plus philander was brilliant all day. Warner was superb as was Bancroft. It's a pity the other crap is being talked about more then the cricket because the cricket so far this series is top notch. Also the pitches have been very good, cricket Australia should take note.

stampy wrote:

Brodlach wrote:I actually feel a bit for the Poms, been on tour for the past 5 months

WHAT???? shame on you

I wish the tour would end, its been painful other then the one dayers. Was very risky to play stokes as a specialist batter considering he hasn't played first class cricket in 6 months.

Banning them for life is absurd. What they did was wrong and not something that should be accepted in cricket but a life ban seems crazy. Personally i think if the ICC had of made a stronger stance on previous instances of ball tampering this would not have occurred, the ICC must be stronger in it's stance. Similarly with the Rabada situation though they continue to let things go without repercussions which is disappointing.

CA will make a stand and maybe a ban of 3 to 6 months is reasonable because cheating of any sort is not acceptable and in particular in Australia where everyone is proud of how they play there sport in the right manner. It's funny because if this was pakistan or a subcontinent team the players involved would probably receive a small ban and everyone would move on but because it's Australia its a much bigger deal. However I think that is a credit to the Australian culture and how it is expected to play sport in a fair manner. Previous Australian team's were extremely tough and uncompromising but they played in the right manner. This Australian team has proven not to play in the Australian way for a little bit and this should be a line in the sand type of moment to get Australia back to playing the way it should. As an english fan I disliked the Aussie teams of the last few decades just because they were so good but god you had to respect them for how good they were and how they played the game. This Aussie team come across as an entitled bunch of flogs led by the vice captain Warner.

It is rich for all other countries to be slamming Australia when they have ball tampered previously but Australia should hold itself to a higher standard because it is an incredibly proud sporting country.

Wheels are off alright.

4th test still needs to go ahead. We must see out the series. Regardless the test will be lucky to go 3 days.

That been said guys like Renshaw and Burns would be chomping at the bit to play.

Also if Starc doesnt want to play then give Sayers or Richardson a run.

Warner is clearly done with test cricket.
Despite this drama and the matter in way they have been slected the selectors have at least picked the right replacements. Burns and Renshaw straight into open is a positive move fwiw. Warner was horribly out of form anyway. You can obviously see Handscomb in for Smith, who I reckon slots in five and Marsh moves up to four. Maxwell was the next in line middle order batsman and his selection, while in bizarre circumstances is now quite funny and ironic given they really didn't want to pick him at the start of the Ashes.

It's a terrific oppurtunity for Burns, Renshaw and Handscomb. There honestly isn't much to lose for the aussies now and all the pressure is on SA to finally beat the aussies at home for the first time. Wouldn't be surprised if Starc doesn't play he looked average in the 3rd test and doesn't appear to be healthy. The issue is other then Paine your best bats in the series have been Bancroft and Warner who are the only blokes averaging over 30 in the series. Shaun Marsh & Khawaja are out of form and having horrid series so they will need to stand up. Also Cummins has been amazing with the ball but he's been found out with the bat big time against good bowling, hes only averaging just above 6.

Nice to see sayers do well. He might not be fast but hes consistently testing you just like philander. Maybe warney might stop bagging him after taking a couple of wickets.

Cameron got 5 with a terrible record.
Gaff will get 5 down to 4.
Both intentional, high Impact

The AFL of course have themselves to blame. These jumper punches that allow only a fine make it 'ok' for blokes to throw punches and get away with it. If they scrubbed them out completely then people wouldn't throw punches at all which means they wouldn't 'accidentally' hit people high.

He deserves 8 only because the comp needs to stop those stupid 'accidental' punches... but they wont.

He’s getting 6 plus for this. He has king hit a bloke 50 metres away from play. I’m sure Gaff is a decent human being but he’s made a monumental mistake and should pay for it. He’s broken the kids jaw and shattered 4 of his teeth. He deserves 6 as a minimum for this as it is truly a terrible act.

Congrats to ironbank on saturday. Terrific to see a bunch of blokes that have been loyal to the club for a long time be rewarded. 17 guys that played junior footy at the club and blokes like muirden and schneider who have been at the club for 25 years makes it incredibly sweet.

Noodles ware was terrific but the best player on the groud was the youngest bloke on the ground, young joshy rosman was sensational all day long. Not bad for a kid in his first senior finals series.

Commiserations to kersbrook who unfortunately could never get going but they had a tremendous year and will no doubt be a big chance again next year. They have been the benchmark of div 2 for over a decade which is a massive credit to them as a club and with the 18s and Bs winning it shows how strong they are as a club.

Is there a more unassuming superstar then kane williamson? Blokes a star but just goes about his business without any fuss, seems like a terrific bloke.

magpiemaster wrote:

Sideshow Bob wrote:

Toto wrote:Going to have a stab in the dark and say Greenslade?

Wouldnt be surprised if he turned up at Onkas instead

Any truth in the Cheney rumour?

Signed. Already training

Salary cap system is working lol

If Paine didn’t keep would his batting get him in the team? Reasonable form

Bring in Carey to keep, Paine at 6
Paine is technically sound, but don’t think he could play as a specialist bat.

Why on earth would you ever take the gloves off paine? His glove is work is unreal and much better then carey still.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/australia/shane-warne-reveals-damning-statistics-that-prove-australia-have-batting-and-bowling-issues/news-story/a5e3ce7979dc381db58de0280daa9e59?fbclid=IwAR00TBndAoG38DGFxsJuHmV6OgpZycsPOT4tf-JB-uwd5ce-N_q80ACeWvw

Found the above article pretty interesting. Not great reading for Hazlewood and Starc. Starc in particular has really struggled since the ball tampering affair which I’m not sure is a coincidence.

It's sad when these guys get more scrutiny, publicity and hatred from the Australian community for an act that frankly was **** all, while rapists, murders, kiddy fiddlers, criminals, scammers etc. all appear to do get it a lot lighter.

Our priorities in this country are all sorts of messed up.

The bans were far to harsh but they werent banned just for the ball tampering in my opinion. It was a culmination of the poor behavior of the aussies for the prior few years which made CA make a bigger stance to send a message. There constant messages talking about the line and they knew where it was was just utter nonsense. Problem was most of this aussie team actually seems quite quiet and introverted but they tried to make them aggressive like the old school aussie way which doesnt suit them other then Warner.

This game sucks. AFL has never been more boring.

The skill level in the afl at the moment is incredibly poor. The pies and cats being top 2 shows in my opinion where the afl is at at the moment because neither team is that good.

The similarities between 1992 and this world cup for pakistan are pretty crazy, literally the exact same so far. Could it be deja vu.

You beauty, what a performance

Well done Rory, not pretty and some luck but a really gritty knock which we have been crying out for. Stokes looks in really good form.

Two superstars of international cricket have retired for south africa, Hashim Amla from all formats and Dale Steyn from test cricket. Hashim was a superstar in his prime and beautiful watch, just an unbelievable player in all formats. His record in tests fell away over the last few years but in his prime he was a class act and one of crickets good guys. Steyn was the best fast bowler of his generation, his ability to bowl fast and swing it was a thing of beauty. His strike rate is one of the best of all time and he did it in all conditions. Hopefully he has some good limited over cricket left in him.

We will struggle to get 120 here. Play the line and hope the ball does to much, rory does that quite well

stan wrote:

Corona Man wrote:

Brodlach wrote:Burns’ head position really annoys me

Yeah he looks awful.

Yeah looks terrible. But you know, has more test 100s than me so eh.

Not about how you look, just look at your superstar he looks awful but gee hes good.

2 wickets in the most bowler friendly conditions you will get and the commentators are whacking off over this bloke like he is the second coming of Christ.

If he was an aussie you guys would be frothing over him. He still bowls to short but hes 24 and has shown an ability to challenge the best player seen in a long time like no one else has so your god damn right we are excited by him. His talent is unquestionable.

You guys talk up Pattinson like hes a god and he averaged 55 in the first test.

2 wickets in the most bowler friendly conditions you will get and the commentators are whacking off over this bloke like he is the second coming of Christ.

If he was an aussie you guys would be frothing over him. He still bowls to short but hes 24 and has shown an ability to challenge the best player seen in a long time like no one else has so your god damn right we are excited by him. His talent is unquestionable.

You guys talk up Pattinson like hes a god and he averaged 55 in the first test.
Broad and Woakes have bowled better than Archer.
Archer isnt fit to tie Cummins bootlaces and stats at the end of their careers will prove that to be so

Lol cant wait to look back at this in 10 years. Cummins is obviously a stud and will have a unreal career but at least im genuine enough to realise that. Most sensible people realise the career archer is about to have bar injury, his talent is unreal but ill let you be the grumpy bugger you are jim, you will probably still be whinging about the bombers performance tonight even though they won.

Jim05 wrote:Can’t believe Smith got sucked in to that garbage

He might not look much but wagner has a wonderful record. Full credit to the bloke.

Well batted trav. Unbelievable how long its been for a sa born to make a ton at the G. Paine played beautifully, changed the game. Hats of to Wagner by far the best for the kiwis.

Largest ever partnership against India in ODI’s and the first time we have beaten them by 10 wickets in India.
Warner’s 5th century of the summer and he has 1193 runs @170.43 across all formats this summer
Unbelievable summer, all the haters have gone very quiet, no need to check the scores, have a look on here and see who hasn't posted tells you that Warner has punched out another century

Still Broads b*itc*.

100 to pope. Young lad has some real talent. Stokes has been awesome with the bat for 12 months, looks a class above.

Good win by england really convincing. I know SA are struggling but what impressed me was the batting, sibley and pope scoring hundreds in the last 2 tests against what is still a good bowling line up (SAs batting on the other hand is awful) is awesome. Both lads under 25 showing promise and dom bess also at 22 getting a 5 fa. We finally showed the value of batting time rather then trying to blast it which has got us in all sorts over the last 4 years.

Wonderful knock by Crawley. Looks a real talent, has every shot and plays the pull beautifully which should hold in good stead in Australia. Dare I say we may have finally found a number 3 batsmen for the first time since Trott.

600 test wickets to Jimmy. Unbelievable effort for a wonderfully skilled bowler.

Don’t like talking about umpires.. but geez I reckon some big calls went either against Port or not in their favour.

However, Richmond showed in that last quarter when it’s tough in the trenches they dig in and find a way.

Pretty good prelim

Was shit both ways I thought
I thought the important ones went against Port and the weird ones went against Richmond.. it’s a shame that the umpires seem to be able to have an influence or presence in these games

Umpiring was fine, Richmond were the better side and deserved to win. Love Ebert effort and hope he is ok but looks like he may have retired.

Windies 7/135

They really can be pathetic at times :oops: :oops: :oops:

They have shown some good signs over the last few years but they still produce way to many of these incompetent performances. You can accept losing if there is effort but it feels like once it gets tough some of these guys give up (bar Holder who is a very good player)

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:

Armchair expert wrote:55 overs with only 107 runs and 3 wickets

trash over rates again

You're obviously not enjoying the cricket .... why don't you watch the Beatles doco on SBS

Good disciplined cricket by two good sides.

whufc wrote:Why does snicko over weight hot spot

If hot spot has nothing but snicko has a noise why is it given?

They always do that and it makes no sense to me. What is the point in hot spot then?

Great C&B by Santner to win the game for NZ, who become #1 Test team in the world for the first time in their history
A very very good side that all compliment each other very well I’d still back I’d to wipe the floor with them even as bad as we are currently
Agreed. I enjoy watching NZ, especially their bowling attack but they've only really added Kyle Jamieson to the team/squad that lost 3-0 to Australia last summer. He's had a great start to his test career and I'm interested to see how he goes in the future.

NZ can only beat the team/country put in front of them at that point in time but you only have to look back at that 3-0 result against Australia to see where they are really at. Apart from Williamson who is an absolute star their batting is as flawed as ours.

He's obviously a passionate Kiwi but I found it funny that as soon as the match ended Brendon McCullum on commentary was very quick to mention that NZ was now ranked number one yet their number one ranking is only provisional as the rankings will be updated at the end of the series.

Be nice to see the Aussies go to NZ. NZ have a terrific record at home over the past 6 or 7 years, did smash India 2 nil earlier this year.

Booney wrote:

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Just a suggestion, i mean you all dislike Langer now. Surely Warnie is a far better option

Depends who the other candidates are.

Surely Ponting? He's very switched on when you listen to him talk.

Root gets to his hundred in his 100th test match without much fuss, his 20th test match hundred and third in a row. He becomes the 9th test cricketer to score a hundred in their 100th test match.
England 2/227
Sibley 83 (250)

Great partnership between these two, the discipline has been impressive. They've clearly targeted old mate Denzel Sundar and left arm spinner Shahbaz Nadeem to score most of their run off of.

Superb again by root. Sibley did a tremendous job also, he's far from pretty but we have become a much better side with him in it. Personally reckon we should bat into day 3 if we can, this pitch will be a road till day 4.

A pair for Johnny the mouth

Sent from my SM-G973F using Tapatalk Can't see why he is in the side, terrible batsmen.

And batting at 3? What a joke.

Surely Stokes gets the flick for the next test as well?

England look to be all over the place with selection and team balance. India, like in Australia recently seem to be able to change their team and still settle better than their opposition.

Dropping stokes might be the craziest thing I've heard for a while. Only been our best batter the last 12 to 18 months by the length of the strait. Bairstow has a good record against spin hence he plays in Asia but I tend to agree he's had enough chance by now. We simply lack batting depth and rely heavily on root and stokes, hence why we are a good team but not anything more.

England simply weren't good enough but that pitch was deadset average, root should not be taking 5 for 8 ever. At least that flog ashwin got to pad his inflated home stats again.

Lofty V Meadows in the HCA GF next week

Hopefully it's a bit more competitive then the last GF between the two :D

T20 Gf a few weeks back? :lol: ;)

Good call :lol:

In all seriousness good luck to lofty, meadows would be strong favourites but lofty have some quality and you never know in the one day format as all it takes is one bloke to have a day out.

Real pity we won't have all of Wood, Archer and Stone for the Ashes. We actually had some decent quick bowlers now it's just wood left and he's only good for 2 tests a series.

I didn't expect Australia to win but to put up a better performance than they did. Utterly embarrassing to see fairly average bowlers in Woakes Jordan Livingstone destroy us. Any movement off the pitch and Warner is useless...Maxwell can't bat in the first 10 overs..I think Finch is cooked..Not playing Marsh who was up until the last match our best t20 bat.

I would make changes

Marsh has to come in, if Stoinis isn't bowling he can go out.
Starc is injured/peahearted bring in Richo
Not sure Cummins is a great t20 bowler either, maybe swap with Swepson as a 3rd spinner option
Warner can piss off but no one to replace him either
I am no Agar fan but he probably stays in scoring a run a ball 20 and taking 1 wicket...what a performance

Woakes is an elite white ball bowler.

With the Aussies 2-0, I'd like to see Neser given one more game, and rest Starc ahead of the remaining two tests.

Cummins in, Starc out.

I think Harris plays the whole series - if they were going to consider Khawaja for an opening spot, he would've started the series given he was one of the inform bats in the country.

Unfortunately for Hunt and Street there is no red ball cricket at the moment to help push claims, and they're quite young still so cant see them being thrown in the deep end. Would've been good to see England A stick around and play more tour matches against Australia A during the Ashes.

For England you'd think Wood comes in, and I would look at maybe Lawrence as the spinner to spin away from the lefties. Whilst most senior, you'd have to consider Anderson being left out, he just didn't look like his former self in this test.

How Bairstow is watching from the sidelines is beyond me.. and Crawley probably should be added. I'm dropping Pope and Hameed for Bairstow and Crawley

Hard to argue any of those calls Bedge. Good work.

Lawrence is a batter that's a decent back up spinner, similar to root. Bess will come in as the main offie would be my guess. I agree with the batting switches, although if you have seen Bairstow the last few years in tests you would know why he ain't playing, has a huge gaping hole through bat and pad and continuously gets bowled. I'd rather Bess comes in for Woakes then Jimmy, Woakes the bowler is just not good enough in Australia. Wood will come in for Jimmy or Broady, really don't mind either way but Wood just needs to play.

Root is a bloody good batsman,
I think he needs to relinquish the captaincy, take some pressure off & he'll churn out hundred after a hundred.

They have even less options than the Aussies did when selecting theirs

Good luck finding a replacement. Jos is the only viable option tactically but he's never made it as a test cricketer.

Root has to be the worst, best batsmen in a team in test history, if that makes sense.

Cmon RB he might not have converted like he should have in Australia but I'd say he's the least of our worries. Did you see our batting stats for 2021? It's one of the most absurd stats ever. Imagine how many runs he would make if he got to play in this Australian side rather then coming in at 2 for 15 everytime.

Root has to be the worst, best batsmen in a team in test history, if that makes sense.

Cmon RB he might not have converted like he should have in Australia but I'd say he's the least of our worries. Did you see our batting stats for 2021? It's one of the most absurd stats ever. Imagine how many runs he would make if he got to play in this Australian side rather then coming in at 2 for 15 everytime.
Agreed BB

England in 2021:
Root 1700 runs
Burns 560 runs
Extras 460 runs

And he scored the bulk of those runs against the best attack in the world- India who tore our blokes a new one last season

This is the worst English team I’ve seen. 1 batsman 1 all rounder and 3 bowlers.

Too big a load carried by too few who are fatigued after playing almost 20 tests in 30 months in bio-bubbles.

This English side a shot ducks.

Root reminds me of Border in the mid 80s a single batsman carrying the load for his team

Kudos to him. Fair enough.

I think my point stands though. I wouldn't pick him over any other touring side's top batsman that I can recall, excluding the Bangers and Zimmers of course. Just nicks up playing nothing shots so often.

I think the stats above are more of a reflection on Root's dud teammates.

Him making 1700 runs at 60 on some of the hardest tracks with literally no team mates is incredible. Your saying he's not better then anyone of SA, WI, Sri Lanka or Pakistan's best batsmen at the moment? I get he's not Sachin or Lara but he's much better then any touring batsmen in the world atm bar Williamson and Kohli and I'd argue he's been much better the Kohli the last few years.

Anyways we were awful and hats off to boland on an incredible debut.

Jimmy Anderson has been waiting 15 years and 5 series in Australia to play on a green seamer and then when it comes they don't pick him. Add that to the ridiculous selections we have made this series. Woakes should never bowl in Australia again, how many times do we have to see he's just not up to it for christ sake. Robinson is very good but jesus mate get yourself fit.

Honestly does it matter who coaches a national team like Australia? They all have there own people they go to for technical issues, Langer essentially just organises training. Listening to the test he just said what us grade cricketers say on a Saturday. Ponting is the one that actually could make a difference as coach as the way he talks about cricket is next level.

If the players didn't like langer which they clearly didn't, why on earth would you keep him.

Cummins is unbelievable. Pidge and Steyn are the best bowlers I’d seen but Cummins might just be the best of the lot.

Ben Stokes in test cricket.

Batting average 35.89 (Matt Renshaw averages 33.47)
Bowling average 32.12 (Simon Katich averaged 30.23)

He's a good cricketer, but his output doesn't match the hype imo.

Stats don't quite him justice to be fair. He's a very selfless team player and he's had to bat to high up due to our lack of quality. In big moments he's usually delivered, same in white ball cricket. He's probably slightly overrated because he's so exhilarating at his best but don't just judge him on his stats as he's a big moment guy.

Wonderful innings by a wonderful player. Blokes had to carry this lot for 2 years and he thoroughly deserves to finally win a test match.