When you look at the premiership table in 1965 you can see how far former strong clubs in West Adelaide & West Torrens were off the pace. Both finished 4-16 in 9th & 8th place and both with a percentage of less than 44%. One must have wondered was it a good idea to bring both Woodville & Central into the comp,
I don't think that bringing Woodville and Central into the competition had much to do with West and Torrens fall from grace in 1965. Both sides were torn apart by infighting. West's problems in the 1960s started when they sacked Neil Kerley as coach after winning a flag and then being runner up in 1961 and 1962. Remarkably Kerley stayed at West as a player in 1963 but then left to go to South, Ken Eustice left to go to captain coach Central District, Don Roach left to play at Hawthorn, Jeff Bray went to South Melbourne, and other premiership stars, Magarey Medallist Ron Benton, Johnny Ryan, Frank Hogan, Paul Garnett and Trevor Reu all left the club. Other than Reu, Kerley's sacking was at least a major contributing factor to all of the other stars leaving. If not for two absolute stars in Robert Day and Rodney Pope coming through one wonders if West would have even finished above Woodville in 1965.
I think there is a Ph.D. for someone smarter than me (cue Mal) in the demise of West Torrens. At the start of the decade West Torrens were one of the richest, if not the richest clubs in Australia. Their major benefactor was Ossie O'Grady, a former player and it is not unfair to say that he was the Allan Bond of the day. Under O'Grady's presidency, West Torrens were able to recruit triple Brownlow Medallist and Essendon premiership coach, Dick Reynolds to coach the team, they recruited young Essendon star, Bob Shearman, who had been best player for the "Dons" as they were then known, in the 1959 Grand Final, they outbid Carlton for young Wagga Wagga star, Geoff Kingston and outbid North Melbourne for then Hamilton, Victoria star, Tracey Braidwood. They also lured Neil Hawke back from Western Australia and after a long stand off from Port they managed to get a clearance for Hawke,. They helped get Lindsay Head the leasehold of the Cross Keys Hotel and Bob Shearman the leasehold of the Waverley Hotel.
Then there was the 1961 Credit Squeeze and Ossie O'Grady's company, Reid Murray, collapsed, one of the biggest if not the biggest corporate collapses in history. It was purported to be worth 66,000,000 pounds at the time which I think equates to over $2 billion in today's money. Not only did Ossie lose his fortune, but so did a lot of other West Torrens backers. Ossie remained as President but was challenged by Geoff Hallett of Hallett's bricks at the end of 1964. Shearman, in particular, backed O'Grady who won but then Shearman left the club days later. Torrens struggled for money for the next 25 years until their merger.
For the train spotters amongst you I found this article on Trove :
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/105829873
From a non football point of you, it was also the beginning of the demise of South Australia. In the early 1960s, I have read that Adelaide was the fast growing capital in Australia, impossible to believe now. Certainly there have been other factors contributing to our lack of population growth since, but Reid Murray's collapse was the initial catalyst that slowed South Australia's progress.
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Re: Jack Oatey Medallists
And so to 1967. The biggest news of the summer was that Neil Kerley had left South to coach Glenelg. It was a move that changed both clubs fortunes, some would say to this day. South after 3 years of being very competitive slipped back into mediocrity and within 3 years had finished bottom and we all know that they still haven't won a flag since 1964. Glenelg on the other hand became competitive and despite many arguing that they have under achieved since Kerley took over, have at least won 4 flags and had a presence for much of the last 50 years. There was little mention in the media of a recruit to North Adelaide from Whyalla who was about to take the league by storm.
North had finished third in 1966 but were way off the pace set by Sturt. They met in the first game of 1967 at Unley Oval and Barrie Robran played a debut game, the like of which had rarely been seen. He took all of the Sturt stars to the cleaners, so much so that at half time All Australian Rick Schoff said to his captain John Halbert, who the f*ck is number 10. North also debuted Dennis Sachse and Terry von Bertouch, absolute stars and they ended up minor premier. Down at Glenelg, under Neil Kerley, they won their first 4 games after finishing bottom the year before and not to be outdone, they debuted five absolute stars in Peter Marker, Wayne Phillis, Rex Voigt, Kerry Hamilton and late in the season, Graham Cornes. Peter Marker would have been rookie of the year in any normal year, but at best was third behind Barrie Robran and Dennis Sachse, both of whom represented SA against Victoria after just 7 league games. Sturt despite a few hiccups finished second at the end of the Minor Round and Port as always were very competitive.
Port were then much too experienced for the young Glenelg side in the first semi final and after losing to North twice in the Minor Round, Sturt turned the clock back 12 months and thrashed North in the Second Semi Final. In a low scoring game, many would say that Port were lucky to beat North in the Preliminary Final but others would argue that it was Port's toughness that saw them through.
The Grand Final was a topsy turvy affair. It was the brilliance of Sturt versus the hardness of Port. Sturt jumped Port to lead by 13 points at quarter time but then Port scored 6 goals to lead by 9 points at half time. Port still led by 6 points at three quarter time and had chances to maybe even seal the game midway through the last quarter when a very experienced Port and interstate player missed two relatively easy set shots from within about 30 yards. On both occasions the Port player chose to kick a drop kick, which although still fashionable as a kick was rarely used for a set shot to goal. Sturt scored three late goals to run out winners by 11 points.
Peter Argent's choice of best man on the ground was Sturt's champion back pocket of the time, Brenton Adcock. Adcock had already been an All Australian in 1966. He had begun his league career as a wingman in 1962 but it was when he was moved to the back pocket that he found his niche. He was nuggetty and robust, but with the usual Sturt skills of the time. He was a great disposer of the ball who represented the State on 20 occasions. I would go so far as to say that modern day football followers don't realise how good Adcock was. He played in 6 Sturt premierships, was named back pocket in Sturt's Team of The Century and was an inaugural member of the SANFL Hall of Fame.
In the list compiled by Mike Coward and Geoff Kingston to which I often refer, Adcock was ranked the 14th best player of the first century of SA football. When you consider that contemporaries like Paul Bagshaw and Don Lindner were ranked 29 and 30 in that list, it gives an idea as to the esteem in which he was held.
North had finished third in 1966 but were way off the pace set by Sturt. They met in the first game of 1967 at Unley Oval and Barrie Robran played a debut game, the like of which had rarely been seen. He took all of the Sturt stars to the cleaners, so much so that at half time All Australian Rick Schoff said to his captain John Halbert, who the f*ck is number 10. North also debuted Dennis Sachse and Terry von Bertouch, absolute stars and they ended up minor premier. Down at Glenelg, under Neil Kerley, they won their first 4 games after finishing bottom the year before and not to be outdone, they debuted five absolute stars in Peter Marker, Wayne Phillis, Rex Voigt, Kerry Hamilton and late in the season, Graham Cornes. Peter Marker would have been rookie of the year in any normal year, but at best was third behind Barrie Robran and Dennis Sachse, both of whom represented SA against Victoria after just 7 league games. Sturt despite a few hiccups finished second at the end of the Minor Round and Port as always were very competitive.
Port were then much too experienced for the young Glenelg side in the first semi final and after losing to North twice in the Minor Round, Sturt turned the clock back 12 months and thrashed North in the Second Semi Final. In a low scoring game, many would say that Port were lucky to beat North in the Preliminary Final but others would argue that it was Port's toughness that saw them through.
The Grand Final was a topsy turvy affair. It was the brilliance of Sturt versus the hardness of Port. Sturt jumped Port to lead by 13 points at quarter time but then Port scored 6 goals to lead by 9 points at half time. Port still led by 6 points at three quarter time and had chances to maybe even seal the game midway through the last quarter when a very experienced Port and interstate player missed two relatively easy set shots from within about 30 yards. On both occasions the Port player chose to kick a drop kick, which although still fashionable as a kick was rarely used for a set shot to goal. Sturt scored three late goals to run out winners by 11 points.
Peter Argent's choice of best man on the ground was Sturt's champion back pocket of the time, Brenton Adcock. Adcock had already been an All Australian in 1966. He had begun his league career as a wingman in 1962 but it was when he was moved to the back pocket that he found his niche. He was nuggetty and robust, but with the usual Sturt skills of the time. He was a great disposer of the ball who represented the State on 20 occasions. I would go so far as to say that modern day football followers don't realise how good Adcock was. He played in 6 Sturt premierships, was named back pocket in Sturt's Team of The Century and was an inaugural member of the SANFL Hall of Fame.
In the list compiled by Mike Coward and Geoff Kingston to which I often refer, Adcock was ranked the 14th best player of the first century of SA football. When you consider that contemporaries like Paul Bagshaw and Don Lindner were ranked 29 and 30 in that list, it gives an idea as to the esteem in which he was held.
- Fri May 08, 2020 8:04 pm
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Timmy G Time Machine, Brian Leys, well worth a watch. Fair to say he made the right decision when he came to SA. :D
https://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/689242/timmy-s-tyrepower-time-machine-episode-5-brian-leys
And once again, for the trainspotters amongst us, he was the 100th player to play 100 games for Richmond.
He was almost as good as he thought he was. Seriously, he was a great recruit. Four flags in four years. I doubt that anyone else has that 100% record for Port (or any other club). Tommy Williams in the 50s might have gone close, I know he started in 1955 and played in five flags, but I am not sure whether he played in 1960 or not. At worst he had an 83.33% record.
https://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/689242/timmy-s-tyrepower-time-machine-episode-5-brian-leys
And once again, for the trainspotters amongst us, he was the 100th player to play 100 games for Richmond.
He was almost as good as he thought he was. Seriously, he was a great recruit. Four flags in four years. I doubt that anyone else has that 100% record for Port (or any other club). Tommy Williams in the 50s might have gone close, I know he started in 1955 and played in five flags, but I am not sure whether he played in 1960 or not. At worst he had an 83.33% record.
- Mon May 11, 2020 11:23 am
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And so to 1968. For most of the year, it was a two horse race, with Sturt only losing two games for the year, both to Port Adelaide and in the game between the two clubs that Sturt won, in reality the game should have been a draw. The ball was in the Sturt forward line as the siren rang. Former West Torrens player, Don Russell, was the umpire and he signalled the end of the game. A Sturt player then picked up the ball and kicked the ball between the goal and point post. The goal umpire ran out to Umpire Russell and asked was that all clear. Apparently Russell misinterpreted the question said yes, thinking that he meant, was the game over. The goal umpire then went back and signalled a point, Sturt's wining margin.
In Port's win against Sturt on the traditional Anzac Day game, young Port Riverland recruit Russell Ebert kicked 6 goals in a sign of things to come.
Amazingly five rounds after the first fiasco, during the game between Sturt and Glenelg, Glenelg ruckman, Doug Long seemingly scored a goal, which was disallowed because the goal umpire was unsighted saying that he had been hit by a paper bag filled with sand, or something similar. Sturt won that game also by a point.
The closest rival to Sturt and Port was North, who were always playing catch up. They lost their first 3 games for the year before winning 14 out of their last 17 games. The problem was that of their 6 losses, 3 were to Sturt by 31, 34 and 37 points.
Glenelg had looked a likely finalist for most of the year, but fell away badly in the last few minor round games and when West beat them by a goal at Glenelg in the second last round. West took their spot in the four.
Sadly for its vast army of supporters, Norwood finished wooden spooners, the first time since 1919.
North won the first semi final by 34 points, but it was only after a couple of scares. New Magarey Medallist Barrie Robran turned an ankle and West looked to have momentum in the last quarter, when a long shot from David Jonas just missed. North went down, scored a behind and then a terrible kick out by Trevor Hughes when trying to pass to captain Murray Weideman saw North intercept and goal and stretch the lead to 16 points as time on started. North then scored 3 goals in time on for a seemingly comfortable victory.
Sturt fronted a supremely confident Port who believed that Sturt hadn't beaten them in 3 starts. Port reckoned without Keith Chessell though. Chessell scored 8 goals out of Sturt's 15 goals 15 to enable Sturt to prevail by 13 points. Sturt had led all day, but Port threatened in the last quarter when, Eric Freeman, who had just arrived back in Adelaide days earlier after an Ashes tour of England, came onto the ground and threatened to take the game away from Sturt,
North led Port by 19 points at half time and threatened to cause an upset, but Freeman once more came on to the ground, this time in the third quarter to help change the game. North also lost young stars Barrie Robran and Dennis Sachse with ankle injuries and Port stormed home to win by 19 points.
The Grand Final was a game that after quarter time, Sturt were never going to lose. Port led by 1 point at quarter time despite Sturt rover, Peter Endersbee, kicking two seemingly miraculous check side goals from the scoreboard pocket. By half time an inaccurate Sturt had led by 13 points and then 31 points at three quarter time before finally winning by 27 points.
In a very even Sturt performance, Peter Argent has chosen Paul Bagshaw as best on the ground. Baggy up to that stage had been inconsistent in finals and big games. He had played fantastically in the 1965 Preliminary Final but poorly in the 1965 Grand Final and he was poor again in the 1966 Grand Final until he absolutely turned it on in the last quarter of that game. He only had a fair 1967 Grand Final and this together with some poor interstate games had people querying whether he could play in big games. 1968 proved them wrong when his class shone out, in as I said what was a very even team effort. As an aside, the Channel 9 commentary team awarded two best player watches, one to Bagshaw and the other to Brenton Miels, but generally Baggy with that extra class just shaded Miels in most people's opinion.
This awarding of a watch for best player became a Channel 9 tradition and I am sure many posters would remember players vying for the Seiko.
In Port's win against Sturt on the traditional Anzac Day game, young Port Riverland recruit Russell Ebert kicked 6 goals in a sign of things to come.
Amazingly five rounds after the first fiasco, during the game between Sturt and Glenelg, Glenelg ruckman, Doug Long seemingly scored a goal, which was disallowed because the goal umpire was unsighted saying that he had been hit by a paper bag filled with sand, or something similar. Sturt won that game also by a point.
The closest rival to Sturt and Port was North, who were always playing catch up. They lost their first 3 games for the year before winning 14 out of their last 17 games. The problem was that of their 6 losses, 3 were to Sturt by 31, 34 and 37 points.
Glenelg had looked a likely finalist for most of the year, but fell away badly in the last few minor round games and when West beat them by a goal at Glenelg in the second last round. West took their spot in the four.
Sadly for its vast army of supporters, Norwood finished wooden spooners, the first time since 1919.
North won the first semi final by 34 points, but it was only after a couple of scares. New Magarey Medallist Barrie Robran turned an ankle and West looked to have momentum in the last quarter, when a long shot from David Jonas just missed. North went down, scored a behind and then a terrible kick out by Trevor Hughes when trying to pass to captain Murray Weideman saw North intercept and goal and stretch the lead to 16 points as time on started. North then scored 3 goals in time on for a seemingly comfortable victory.
Sturt fronted a supremely confident Port who believed that Sturt hadn't beaten them in 3 starts. Port reckoned without Keith Chessell though. Chessell scored 8 goals out of Sturt's 15 goals 15 to enable Sturt to prevail by 13 points. Sturt had led all day, but Port threatened in the last quarter when, Eric Freeman, who had just arrived back in Adelaide days earlier after an Ashes tour of England, came onto the ground and threatened to take the game away from Sturt,
North led Port by 19 points at half time and threatened to cause an upset, but Freeman once more came on to the ground, this time in the third quarter to help change the game. North also lost young stars Barrie Robran and Dennis Sachse with ankle injuries and Port stormed home to win by 19 points.
The Grand Final was a game that after quarter time, Sturt were never going to lose. Port led by 1 point at quarter time despite Sturt rover, Peter Endersbee, kicking two seemingly miraculous check side goals from the scoreboard pocket. By half time an inaccurate Sturt had led by 13 points and then 31 points at three quarter time before finally winning by 27 points.
In a very even Sturt performance, Peter Argent has chosen Paul Bagshaw as best on the ground. Baggy up to that stage had been inconsistent in finals and big games. He had played fantastically in the 1965 Preliminary Final but poorly in the 1965 Grand Final and he was poor again in the 1966 Grand Final until he absolutely turned it on in the last quarter of that game. He only had a fair 1967 Grand Final and this together with some poor interstate games had people querying whether he could play in big games. 1968 proved them wrong when his class shone out, in as I said what was a very even team effort. As an aside, the Channel 9 commentary team awarded two best player watches, one to Bagshaw and the other to Brenton Miels, but generally Baggy with that extra class just shaded Miels in most people's opinion.
This awarding of a watch for best player became a Channel 9 tradition and I am sure many posters would remember players vying for the Seiko.
- Wed May 13, 2020 8:26 pm
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Re: Jack Oatey Medallists
Did PA attempt a more defensive game plan in 1968 in the minor round ?
1965 17-3....1756...1357
1966 14-6...1813....1267
1967 14-6...1769....1324
1968 15-5...1401....1013
PA finished the minor round in 2nd spot with 1401 points for
NW finished wooden spooners with 1515 points for
Only CD 1410[8th] and WDV 1202[9th] finished with less points for
PA must have defended stoutly conceding only 1013 points at an average of 50.65 per match
The highest score in the minor round against them was WA scoring a' whopping' 13-10[88]
Sturt scored 15-15 against PA in the second semi, which ends up being the highest score against PA for the season
1968 GRAND FINAL
ST 3-3...5-11...10.-13...12-18
PA 3-4...4-4.......6-6.........9-9
Interesting point you make about Port's low scoring. I think that one of the main reasons was that they were without their key forward, Eric Freeman for all of the minor round. I mentioned Russell Ebert's game against Sturt on Anzac Day, but as an 18 year old he couldn't be expected to replace Freeman for a full season and was in fact dropped to the reserves bench for two games in the middle of winter.
Freeman led Port's goalkicking with 74 goals in 1967, Ebert led Port's goalkicking with 44 goals in 1968, a difference of 180 points.I can't think of Port having any other damaging forward at that stage. Premiership Reggie Beaufoy hurt his knee and retired during 1968.
Further to Fourth Estate's point 1967 was South Australia's driest year ever but 1968 certainly had a number of wet days which would have impacted scoring, and I suggest that would have made the approximately other 180 points difference between 1967 and 1968.
To remain competitive, Port would therefore have had to concentrated on defence. Something they were traditionally very good at anyway, In retrospect given their lack of forwards in 1968 it is a credit to Foster Williams that he got Port to the Grand Final. John Cahill was at his peak at that stage and was named to captain the state, Dennis Errey had moved from the wing to half back and immediately had become an interstate player so that move would have also strengthened an already strong defence.
I would be interested in any other theories.
1965 17-3....1756...1357
1966 14-6...1813....1267
1967 14-6...1769....1324
1968 15-5...1401....1013
PA finished the minor round in 2nd spot with 1401 points for
NW finished wooden spooners with 1515 points for
Only CD 1410[8th] and WDV 1202[9th] finished with less points for
PA must have defended stoutly conceding only 1013 points at an average of 50.65 per match
The highest score in the minor round against them was WA scoring a' whopping' 13-10[88]
Sturt scored 15-15 against PA in the second semi, which ends up being the highest score against PA for the season
1968 GRAND FINAL
ST 3-3...5-11...10.-13...12-18
PA 3-4...4-4.......6-6.........9-9
Interesting point you make about Port's low scoring. I think that one of the main reasons was that they were without their key forward, Eric Freeman for all of the minor round. I mentioned Russell Ebert's game against Sturt on Anzac Day, but as an 18 year old he couldn't be expected to replace Freeman for a full season and was in fact dropped to the reserves bench for two games in the middle of winter.
Freeman led Port's goalkicking with 74 goals in 1967, Ebert led Port's goalkicking with 44 goals in 1968, a difference of 180 points.I can't think of Port having any other damaging forward at that stage. Premiership Reggie Beaufoy hurt his knee and retired during 1968.
Further to Fourth Estate's point 1967 was South Australia's driest year ever but 1968 certainly had a number of wet days which would have impacted scoring, and I suggest that would have made the approximately other 180 points difference between 1967 and 1968.
To remain competitive, Port would therefore have had to concentrated on defence. Something they were traditionally very good at anyway, In retrospect given their lack of forwards in 1968 it is a credit to Foster Williams that he got Port to the Grand Final. John Cahill was at his peak at that stage and was named to captain the state, Dennis Errey had moved from the wing to half back and immediately had become an interstate player so that move would have also strengthened an already strong defence.
I would be interested in any other theories.
- Thu May 14, 2020 12:13 pm
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1969 was a most unusual year. Glenelg won their first 11 matches before losing to Torrens in Round 12. Torrens hen proceeded to win their last 10 Minor Round Matches, yet neither of these teams won the flag. Additionally Port missed the finals for the first time in 20 years. They once again had huge problems in attack scoring only 6 points more than they had in 1968 but this time conceding over 400 points more than in 1968. They only won 9 of their 20 matches and finished with a percentage of below 50%.
Glenelg had a slump in form in mid season but came into the finals with a 17-3 win loss record and a percentage of over 63%. Many people expected Sturt to fall away with the departure of Doc Clarkson to England, the retirement of John Halbert, the loss of John Murphy to South Melbourne and the temporary loss of Brenton Miels to Richmond as a result of his National Service. They still finished the Minor Round Second with a 15-5 record, though. It is fair to say that West Adelaide flew under the radar for much of the year but they also finished with a 15-5 record but a much inferior percentage to Sturt.
For most of the year North looked likely finalists but they lost their place in the finals to Torrens who had a 4-6 win loss record at the half way mark of the season but never lost another game for the entire minor round.
Coming to the finals many pundits expected a Glenelg versus Torrens Grand Final and certainly Torrens were red hot favourites to defeat West in the First Semi Final. Torrens led comfortably during the second quarter but West gradually fought back despite inaccurate goalkicking and the match ended in a draw. In the replay Torrens again led early but by 3/4 time West had a 3 goal lead which they maintained until the end of the game.
Glenelg started favourite in the Second Semi. Ken Eustice had been absolutely starring for them and Fred Phillis had become the first ever Full Forward to win the Magarey Medal, but Sturt lifted a gear and were untroubled to win the Second Semi by 38 points.
Glenelg then made light work of West defeating them by 63 points in the Preliminary Final. To most people's surprise West had led at half time by 2 points but Glenelg thrashed them in the Second Half.
Thus there were still those who fancied Glenelg in the Grand Final, especially with the introduction to the team of Royce Hart. But Sturt were never headed in the Grand Final and gave a brilliant display of Football played in perfect football conditions. They led by 24 points at quarter time, 32 points at half time, 47 points at 3/4 time before running out 65 point winners. Peter Argent's best player on the ground was Malcolm Greenslade, who played full forward and equalled the record for the number of goals scored by an individual in an SANFL Grand Final with 9 goals. Greenslade was a fast leading full forward who kicked accurate screw punts (as they were then known) for goal. He was a local product, having come from Unley High School and he had been 19th man in the 1967 Grand Final. It was somewhat surprising that he didn't make the team in 1968 but he made amends with a brilliant display of leading and goal kicking in the Grand Final. John Tilbrook had been brilliant also on a half forward flank and Paul Bagshaw, Daryl Hicks and Brenton Adcock played to their usual very high standard.
Thus Sturt had won their fourth Grand Final in a row despite a number of changes in personnel. They had been able to add new stars to the premiership side in Ottens, Wild, Nunan and Burgan together with journeyman, Clive Brooks to maintain their invincibility in finals.
Glenelg had a slump in form in mid season but came into the finals with a 17-3 win loss record and a percentage of over 63%. Many people expected Sturt to fall away with the departure of Doc Clarkson to England, the retirement of John Halbert, the loss of John Murphy to South Melbourne and the temporary loss of Brenton Miels to Richmond as a result of his National Service. They still finished the Minor Round Second with a 15-5 record, though. It is fair to say that West Adelaide flew under the radar for much of the year but they also finished with a 15-5 record but a much inferior percentage to Sturt.
For most of the year North looked likely finalists but they lost their place in the finals to Torrens who had a 4-6 win loss record at the half way mark of the season but never lost another game for the entire minor round.
Coming to the finals many pundits expected a Glenelg versus Torrens Grand Final and certainly Torrens were red hot favourites to defeat West in the First Semi Final. Torrens led comfortably during the second quarter but West gradually fought back despite inaccurate goalkicking and the match ended in a draw. In the replay Torrens again led early but by 3/4 time West had a 3 goal lead which they maintained until the end of the game.
Glenelg started favourite in the Second Semi. Ken Eustice had been absolutely starring for them and Fred Phillis had become the first ever Full Forward to win the Magarey Medal, but Sturt lifted a gear and were untroubled to win the Second Semi by 38 points.
Glenelg then made light work of West defeating them by 63 points in the Preliminary Final. To most people's surprise West had led at half time by 2 points but Glenelg thrashed them in the Second Half.
Thus there were still those who fancied Glenelg in the Grand Final, especially with the introduction to the team of Royce Hart. But Sturt were never headed in the Grand Final and gave a brilliant display of Football played in perfect football conditions. They led by 24 points at quarter time, 32 points at half time, 47 points at 3/4 time before running out 65 point winners. Peter Argent's best player on the ground was Malcolm Greenslade, who played full forward and equalled the record for the number of goals scored by an individual in an SANFL Grand Final with 9 goals. Greenslade was a fast leading full forward who kicked accurate screw punts (as they were then known) for goal. He was a local product, having come from Unley High School and he had been 19th man in the 1967 Grand Final. It was somewhat surprising that he didn't make the team in 1968 but he made amends with a brilliant display of leading and goal kicking in the Grand Final. John Tilbrook had been brilliant also on a half forward flank and Paul Bagshaw, Daryl Hicks and Brenton Adcock played to their usual very high standard.
Thus Sturt had won their fourth Grand Final in a row despite a number of changes in personnel. They had been able to add new stars to the premiership side in Ottens, Wild, Nunan and Burgan together with journeyman, Clive Brooks to maintain their invincibility in finals.
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Article in yesterday's fishwrap, Mon May 18 2020, page 38, titled "The Way We Were".
Quotes an article published on May 22 1970.
"The big V is a feature of the new-look North Adelaide guernsey which the club hopes to use for the first time against West Adelaide tomorrow.
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The jumper is the same as the Victorian big V except that where Victoria's is navy blue, North's is red."
The accompanying picture shows Bob Hammond and Bob Shearman (!) modelling the new guernsey - which clearly sports a big letter V, complete with serifs - holding up an old guernsey, which is a "yoke" style V (over the shoulders).
I have often wondered - why did North adopt a letter V? It seems fanciful to think this was a nod to the old Victorian club, forerunner of the modern day Roosters. So why a letter , distinct from a yoke?
Firstly Victorians were not a forerunner of the modern day North Adelaide. The current day North Adelaide had their origins with the Medindie football club, who for a season or two were opponents of the Victorian "North Adelaide", which then folded.
Secondly North never wore a Yoke. Their guernsey always had a V since the 1920s, it was just that it was higher on the guernsey. Glenelg, Norwood and Woodville all wore Yokes on their guernsey's for a time in the 1960s, but not North.
In May 1970, Victoria played SA at the Adelaide Oval and a prominent O'Connell Street car dealer of the time was so taken with the powerful image of the Big V guernsey which seemingly made the Victorians bullet proof, that he thought North would look more powerful with the V further down. He therefore bought the club a set of these new guernseys together with a set of matching dressing gowns!
Coincidentally my High School, whose colours were Royal Blue and white changed from the high V to the Big V later in 1970 and I can guarantee we thought that we were Bullet Proof. At least for us it worked until the Grand Final.
Bob Shearman was modelling the guernsey because he worked for the prominent Car Dealer at the time.
Quotes an article published on May 22 1970.
"The big V is a feature of the new-look North Adelaide guernsey which the club hopes to use for the first time against West Adelaide tomorrow.
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The jumper is the same as the Victorian big V except that where Victoria's is navy blue, North's is red."
The accompanying picture shows Bob Hammond and Bob Shearman (!) modelling the new guernsey - which clearly sports a big letter V, complete with serifs - holding up an old guernsey, which is a "yoke" style V (over the shoulders).
I have often wondered - why did North adopt a letter V? It seems fanciful to think this was a nod to the old Victorian club, forerunner of the modern day Roosters. So why a letter , distinct from a yoke?
Firstly Victorians were not a forerunner of the modern day North Adelaide. The current day North Adelaide had their origins with the Medindie football club, who for a season or two were opponents of the Victorian "North Adelaide", which then folded.
Secondly North never wore a Yoke. Their guernsey always had a V since the 1920s, it was just that it was higher on the guernsey. Glenelg, Norwood and Woodville all wore Yokes on their guernsey's for a time in the 1960s, but not North.
In May 1970, Victoria played SA at the Adelaide Oval and a prominent O'Connell Street car dealer of the time was so taken with the powerful image of the Big V guernsey which seemingly made the Victorians bullet proof, that he thought North would look more powerful with the V further down. He therefore bought the club a set of these new guernseys together with a set of matching dressing gowns!
Coincidentally my High School, whose colours were Royal Blue and white changed from the high V to the Big V later in 1970 and I can guarantee we thought that we were Bullet Proof. At least for us it worked until the Grand Final.
Bob Shearman was modelling the guernsey because he worked for the prominent Car Dealer at the time.
- Tue May 19, 2020 8:11 pm
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Re: Jack Oatey Medallists
1967
There were these 3 significant things that happened in 1967
Barrie Robran debuted for NA
Peter Marker debuted for GL
I was coaxed into barracking and attending a few WA matches !
RD 1
Peter Marker played reserves
In the league game GL raised their bats as they defeated WDV by a ton
WD 10-8
GL 26-12
Young Peter Marker didnt hang around for the league match, instead he drove from Woodville Oval to Unley Oval
Peter was a NA barracker and he rolled up to see NA beat last years premiers ST
ST 12-17
NA 15-16
Peter therefore watched the debut of Barrie Robran on that day
Peter played for the GL league soon after the opening round
How things would work out for both the champs in the next few years
Bear in mind that without zones Peter Marker might have wanted to play for NA ?
The transition years for both players 69 onwards
1969 Marker losing GF
1970 Marker losing GF
1971 Robran winning GF
1972 Robran winning GF
At this stage Peter Marker should have been thinking what if I played for the team I barracked for, NA
However
1973 Marker winning GF Robran losing GF
Peter Marker is FINALly rewarded
If you ever you want to see Barrie Robran and Peter Marker in one packaged game
Do yourself a favor and watch the 1973 state game SA V VI at the Adelaide Oval- when both the champs played well
Happy to be corrected, but I thought I'd read somewhere that Marker was Sturt fan?
No, Mal is correct. Marker often mentioned over the years that he drove to see Barrie Robran's first game after playing Reserves at Woodville. Even in the week after the 1973 Grand Final he mentioned that it was ironic that he grew up being a passionate North fan because that was the team his father supported and watched and took Peter to.
He also said he supported North up until the day he first played against them in about Round 8 that year. He never explained what caused the change but it would be hard to support the opposition.
Having said that I know of one Glenelg player of that era who supported Norwood throughout the whole of his league career!!!
A little later on Paul Weston, too, also grew up as a North Adelaide supporter.
There were these 3 significant things that happened in 1967
Barrie Robran debuted for NA
Peter Marker debuted for GL
I was coaxed into barracking and attending a few WA matches !
RD 1
Peter Marker played reserves
In the league game GL raised their bats as they defeated WDV by a ton
WD 10-8
GL 26-12
Young Peter Marker didnt hang around for the league match, instead he drove from Woodville Oval to Unley Oval
Peter was a NA barracker and he rolled up to see NA beat last years premiers ST
ST 12-17
NA 15-16
Peter therefore watched the debut of Barrie Robran on that day
Peter played for the GL league soon after the opening round
How things would work out for both the champs in the next few years
Bear in mind that without zones Peter Marker might have wanted to play for NA ?
The transition years for both players 69 onwards
1969 Marker losing GF
1970 Marker losing GF
1971 Robran winning GF
1972 Robran winning GF
At this stage Peter Marker should have been thinking what if I played for the team I barracked for, NA
However
1973 Marker winning GF Robran losing GF
Peter Marker is FINALly rewarded
If you ever you want to see Barrie Robran and Peter Marker in one packaged game
Do yourself a favor and watch the 1973 state game SA V VI at the Adelaide Oval- when both the champs played well
Happy to be corrected, but I thought I'd read somewhere that Marker was Sturt fan?
No, Mal is correct. Marker often mentioned over the years that he drove to see Barrie Robran's first game after playing Reserves at Woodville. Even in the week after the 1973 Grand Final he mentioned that it was ironic that he grew up being a passionate North fan because that was the team his father supported and watched and took Peter to.
He also said he supported North up until the day he first played against them in about Round 8 that year. He never explained what caused the change but it would be hard to support the opposition.
Having said that I know of one Glenelg player of that era who supported Norwood throughout the whole of his league career!!!
A little later on Paul Weston, too, also grew up as a North Adelaide supporter.
- Fri May 22, 2020 7:12 pm
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Re: 1921 - 1963
Lindsay Head mentions the 1963 WT side to be the best he played in and stronger than the 1953 premiership
West Torrens decimated by the inclusion of Woodville in 1964.
Then since the merger, WWT has an overall winning percentage 2nd only to Port. Unfortunately seem to have the same problem in the major round as the old Eagles.
Woodville should never have come in. Admitting Central was a good move.
A special committee formed in 1962 to decide on the future of Central and Woodville who had been admitted to play Reserves since 1959. It was recommended the league stay at 8 clubs, but South Adelaide relocate to Elizabeth. It was recommended no more clubs in the west and that by 1975, two more clubs should be based at Noarlunga and Tea Tree Gully to make 10 teams. West, Port, Sturt and Torrens voted for this. The other 4 clubs voted against, so the Chairman, Tony Kenny had the final say and the rest is history.
I have mentioned before but the biggest problem in the early 60s was that Torrens went from being possibly the richest club in Australia to being broke for their last 25 years of so. That was their biggest downfall because they still had a big recruiting zone to choose from, twice the male population of North Adelaide's zone at the time. Sure the 1963 side had a local champion in Lindsay Head and local stars in Bob Morell and the young locals Glenn Pill, Bob Gibson and John Graham but these stars were bolstered by interstate recruits of the calibre of Bob Shearman, Geoff Kingston, Tracey Braidwood and ex Port star, Neil Hawke, via East Perth. Plus they were able to appoint one of the greatest footballers ever, Dick Reynolds as coach. Reynolds in 1960 had completed 22 years of coaching Essendon with a record of 4 premierships and a 67% winning percentage. He coached Torrens for 3 years where he virtually maintained his winning percentage (65.5%) but was unable to win a premiership. After the Reid Murray collapse, Torrens could never recruit like that again.
I agree that Woodville coming in certainly hurt Torrens, but the straw that broke the camel's back was giving Torrens the North East in the 1970s and then taking it away in 1983. I don't know whether Torrens asked for the area in the early 1970s or asked to relinquish it as their area in 1983 but both moves were strange. Hindsight of course is marvellous but if they wanted 10 teams, rather than Woodville, Tea Tree Gully would have been a better option, or in the early 1970s sending Woodville out there rather than Torrens.
West Torrens decimated by the inclusion of Woodville in 1964.
Then since the merger, WWT has an overall winning percentage 2nd only to Port. Unfortunately seem to have the same problem in the major round as the old Eagles.
Woodville should never have come in. Admitting Central was a good move.
A special committee formed in 1962 to decide on the future of Central and Woodville who had been admitted to play Reserves since 1959. It was recommended the league stay at 8 clubs, but South Adelaide relocate to Elizabeth. It was recommended no more clubs in the west and that by 1975, two more clubs should be based at Noarlunga and Tea Tree Gully to make 10 teams. West, Port, Sturt and Torrens voted for this. The other 4 clubs voted against, so the Chairman, Tony Kenny had the final say and the rest is history.
I have mentioned before but the biggest problem in the early 60s was that Torrens went from being possibly the richest club in Australia to being broke for their last 25 years of so. That was their biggest downfall because they still had a big recruiting zone to choose from, twice the male population of North Adelaide's zone at the time. Sure the 1963 side had a local champion in Lindsay Head and local stars in Bob Morell and the young locals Glenn Pill, Bob Gibson and John Graham but these stars were bolstered by interstate recruits of the calibre of Bob Shearman, Geoff Kingston, Tracey Braidwood and ex Port star, Neil Hawke, via East Perth. Plus they were able to appoint one of the greatest footballers ever, Dick Reynolds as coach. Reynolds in 1960 had completed 22 years of coaching Essendon with a record of 4 premierships and a 67% winning percentage. He coached Torrens for 3 years where he virtually maintained his winning percentage (65.5%) but was unable to win a premiership. After the Reid Murray collapse, Torrens could never recruit like that again.
I agree that Woodville coming in certainly hurt Torrens, but the straw that broke the camel's back was giving Torrens the North East in the 1970s and then taking it away in 1983. I don't know whether Torrens asked for the area in the early 1970s or asked to relinquish it as their area in 1983 but both moves were strange. Hindsight of course is marvellous but if they wanted 10 teams, rather than Woodville, Tea Tree Gully would have been a better option, or in the early 1970s sending Woodville out there rather than Torrens.
- Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:18 pm
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Re: 1921 - 1963
Still believe that adding Woodville to the comp hurt West Torrens more than Port Adelaide
Stats from 1964 - 1990 don't lie second worst winning percentage in the league and worst finals percentage
D-Day's grade point average (Animal House) 0.00%
And Woodville's introduction certainly hurt North Adelaide. How could Kilburn and indeed a small part of Prospect be in Woodville's area. I was reminded of that fact with the sad demise of Bob Hammond. Who, if he had been born just a couple of years later would have been a Woodville player!!!!!
Stats from 1964 - 1990 don't lie second worst winning percentage in the league and worst finals percentage
D-Day's grade point average (Animal House) 0.00%
And Woodville's introduction certainly hurt North Adelaide. How could Kilburn and indeed a small part of Prospect be in Woodville's area. I was reminded of that fact with the sad demise of Bob Hammond. Who, if he had been born just a couple of years later would have been a Woodville player!!!!!
- Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:04 pm
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He was a vety good footballer.
The type who would have been even better in a better side.
He was a good athlete but probably that awkward height where you had to have some "tricks" to stand out. He wasn't quite tall enough for a key position.
The type who would have been even better in a better side.
He was a good athlete but probably that awkward height where you had to have some "tricks" to stand out. He wasn't quite tall enough for a key position.
- Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:06 pm
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Re: 1921 - 1963
CHRIS DIDDY MUNRO
1928-1930 WA
1932-1936 SA
He only played 78 games in 8 seasons , but he had left a lasting impression
He scored 393 goals at an average of 5.04 per game in his brief but brilliantly performed career
He started off playing for WA where he scored 13 goals in 9 games
He excelled at SA where he added 380 goals in 69 matches
Diddy made the SA team of the century at full forward
Diddy averaged a sensational 5-5 goals per game for SA
Im wondering why he only played 78 games out of a possible 136 Minor round games + finals
1935 SA Premiership
1964 SA premiership , there was an omen for this premiership
In mid 1964 Manfred Mann recorded a smash hit
That hit was called do wah DIDDY DIDDY ...
I learnt two things from your post, Mal. I have known for the best part of 60 years that his initials were C.C. Munro, but I didn't know that his first name was Chris. Everyone always referred to him as Diddy. I worked for a short time with his granddaughter and even she referred to him as "Diddy"
And secondly I didn't know he played for West Adelaide.
Part of the reason he only played 13 games at West Adelaide in 3 years was because West had a gun full forward, "Dickie" Bennetts, who averaged 4.23 goals per game in over 100 games. Unfortunately "Dickie" Bennetts fell foul of the tribunal at the end of 1929 and was suspended for 3 years!!! I don't know why Diddy didn't grab his chance with West in 1930, nor where he played in 1931.
Diddy did average nearly 14 games a season with South.
I wonder whether Diddy went to South because West and South's recruiting zones were very close. In those days West's main catchment area was half of the City of Adelaide. The half west of King William Street, which certainly made sense to me. South's main area was the city area east of King William Street, which suggests they should have been called East Adelaide.
As early as 1907 it was suggested that they merge to form an Adelaide Football Club, the main reason was their lack of support. It is interesting to note that 113 years on, and both with homes outside of the city they still generally have a lack of support. It is understandable with South who apart from fleeting success in the 1930s and 1964 have had a hard time for virtually all of the 20th century, but West certainly have had their moments with good sides
1928-1930 WA
1932-1936 SA
He only played 78 games in 8 seasons , but he had left a lasting impression
He scored 393 goals at an average of 5.04 per game in his brief but brilliantly performed career
He started off playing for WA where he scored 13 goals in 9 games
He excelled at SA where he added 380 goals in 69 matches
Diddy made the SA team of the century at full forward
Diddy averaged a sensational 5-5 goals per game for SA
Im wondering why he only played 78 games out of a possible 136 Minor round games + finals
1935 SA Premiership
1964 SA premiership , there was an omen for this premiership
In mid 1964 Manfred Mann recorded a smash hit
That hit was called do wah DIDDY DIDDY ...
I learnt two things from your post, Mal. I have known for the best part of 60 years that his initials were C.C. Munro, but I didn't know that his first name was Chris. Everyone always referred to him as Diddy. I worked for a short time with his granddaughter and even she referred to him as "Diddy"
And secondly I didn't know he played for West Adelaide.
Part of the reason he only played 13 games at West Adelaide in 3 years was because West had a gun full forward, "Dickie" Bennetts, who averaged 4.23 goals per game in over 100 games. Unfortunately "Dickie" Bennetts fell foul of the tribunal at the end of 1929 and was suspended for 3 years!!! I don't know why Diddy didn't grab his chance with West in 1930, nor where he played in 1931.
Diddy did average nearly 14 games a season with South.
I wonder whether Diddy went to South because West and South's recruiting zones were very close. In those days West's main catchment area was half of the City of Adelaide. The half west of King William Street, which certainly made sense to me. South's main area was the city area east of King William Street, which suggests they should have been called East Adelaide.
As early as 1907 it was suggested that they merge to form an Adelaide Football Club, the main reason was their lack of support. It is interesting to note that 113 years on, and both with homes outside of the city they still generally have a lack of support. It is understandable with South who apart from fleeting success in the 1930s and 1964 have had a hard time for virtually all of the 20th century, but West certainly have had their moments with good sides
- Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:37 pm
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Re: 1964 - 1990
Which opens up the discussion, even though Norwood won in 82 and 84 I thought they underachieved in the late 80s, early 90s with the talent they had.
So did, but the more Ive reflected over the years Im not so sure. I really felt we were probably the 2nd best side of 87', but as you'd know that North side was pretty special and highly motivated. 1990 is one I reckon we were possibly good enough, 89' too but no others. When you look at our 84' side perhaps we over achieved??
Feel like we should have made a least one more GF after 1984.
Looking at the finals results of the Balme era:
1980-1984 13 wins 4 losses @ 86% (including 3 GF appearances)
1985-1990 4 wins 9 losses @ 30% (including 3 PF appearances in a row 87-89)
Probably a combination of reasons and circumstances for the failings in the mid to late 80s, including losing some pretty handy players like Tim McNeill and Richard Anderson. We seemed to lack potency up forward that other clubs had as Neville Roberts finished his career.
Very interesting stats.
You can read anything you like into stats, but after 1984 Norwood under Neil Balme never beat teams coached by John Cahill or Michael Nunan in a final and only beat Glenelg under Graham Cornes once. I heard Neville Roberts, a former team mate of Balme as well as a dual premiership player, say in 1990 that Balme was being outcoached by the other 3 top coaches of the day. Whether it was Balme's coaching, a lack of forwards, rucks not playing to potential in finals, players becoming too comfortable under Balme and Balme being too loyal to his players, or internal divisions within players, who really knows. I have heard all 5 reasons given as to why the fall off in finals performance in Balme's last 6 years.
Certainly prior to the season in 1990, Norwood were favourites for the flag with the recruitment of A Jarman and Doug Smart, but for whatever reason an on ball division of Aish, Jarman and McIntosh never really gelled and Smart it is fair to say underachieved to such an extent that he was dropped from the team before the end of the season, as was former interstate representative, ruckman John Hall.
So did, but the more Ive reflected over the years Im not so sure. I really felt we were probably the 2nd best side of 87', but as you'd know that North side was pretty special and highly motivated. 1990 is one I reckon we were possibly good enough, 89' too but no others. When you look at our 84' side perhaps we over achieved??
Feel like we should have made a least one more GF after 1984.
Looking at the finals results of the Balme era:
1980-1984 13 wins 4 losses @ 86% (including 3 GF appearances)
1985-1990 4 wins 9 losses @ 30% (including 3 PF appearances in a row 87-89)
Probably a combination of reasons and circumstances for the failings in the mid to late 80s, including losing some pretty handy players like Tim McNeill and Richard Anderson. We seemed to lack potency up forward that other clubs had as Neville Roberts finished his career.
Very interesting stats.
You can read anything you like into stats, but after 1984 Norwood under Neil Balme never beat teams coached by John Cahill or Michael Nunan in a final and only beat Glenelg under Graham Cornes once. I heard Neville Roberts, a former team mate of Balme as well as a dual premiership player, say in 1990 that Balme was being outcoached by the other 3 top coaches of the day. Whether it was Balme's coaching, a lack of forwards, rucks not playing to potential in finals, players becoming too comfortable under Balme and Balme being too loyal to his players, or internal divisions within players, who really knows. I have heard all 5 reasons given as to why the fall off in finals performance in Balme's last 6 years.
Certainly prior to the season in 1990, Norwood were favourites for the flag with the recruitment of A Jarman and Doug Smart, but for whatever reason an on ball division of Aish, Jarman and McIntosh never really gelled and Smart it is fair to say underachieved to such an extent that he was dropped from the team before the end of the season, as was former interstate representative, ruckman John Hall.
- Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:38 am
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Re: Round 8 West Adelaide v North Adelaide Friday 1920
Bloody strong team that one, probably our best all year. No excuses.
Yes, and with Alex Barns, Clisby, and Hartung the remaining big name players to return. Hopefully the first two can make next week's side, since in the following three weeks we play Norwoods, Glenelgs, and the Eagles.
I've heard Hartung might not be back, hope what I heard was wrong though.
Surjan said on Rooster TV that Hartung isn't too many weeks away from being back. I had heard he wouldn't be back too.
Hewett is another player who would make our best side and can't be far off.
McInerney is gone for the year and Wohling may be as well.
Yes, and with Alex Barns, Clisby, and Hartung the remaining big name players to return. Hopefully the first two can make next week's side, since in the following three weeks we play Norwoods, Glenelgs, and the Eagles.
I've heard Hartung might not be back, hope what I heard was wrong though.
Surjan said on Rooster TV that Hartung isn't too many weeks away from being back. I had heard he wouldn't be back too.
Hewett is another player who would make our best side and can't be far off.
McInerney is gone for the year and Wohling may be as well.
- Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:10 pm
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Re: Round 12 Eagles v Glenelg Saturday 1334 (not a typo)
Although I tipped the Eagles (mainly out of hope that it'll keep North in second spot), I reckon this one could go either way. The result will provide a true indication of who the form side of the comp is. Could be a real slog and tussle affair if the wet weather forecast comes to pass, and I'm not sure who it would advantage.
The Bays have an extra incentive to keep the Eagles to a very low score, apart from improving their percentage - the less goals scored, the less they'll hear the ground announcer over the PA blurting out stuff like "Jake 'The Snake' Von Bertouch!" in his quasi-'Wrestlemania' tone.
I thought I was transported back 30 years and I was around the corner. I am sure I heard the name "Al Greeeeeeeee-nnnnnn" called.
The Bays have an extra incentive to keep the Eagles to a very low score, apart from improving their percentage - the less goals scored, the less they'll hear the ground announcer over the PA blurting out stuff like "Jake 'The Snake' Von Bertouch!" in his quasi-'Wrestlemania' tone.
I thought I was transported back 30 years and I was around the corner. I am sure I heard the name "Al Greeeeeeeee-nnnnnn" called.
- Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:44 pm
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Re: Gavin Colville
[flash=][/flash] So that makes 4 of 8 SANFL coaches gone
All before the GF is even played, be surprised if thats happened before
At the end of 1987, Port, West, Central, South and Woodville all changed coaches. I don't know how many were before the Grand Final but Ebert certainly was sacked before the GF
All before the GF is even played, be surprised if thats happened before
At the end of 1987, Port, West, Central, South and Woodville all changed coaches. I don't know how many were before the Grand Final but Ebert certainly was sacked before the GF
- Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:48 pm
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Do I imagine it but I thought at one stage the clubs from whom players were drafted received some sort of payment and then a bit more if and when the drafted player debut in the AFL and then even another payment when they played 50 games. What happen to that system if it did exist
Know there was a system where money went back to the original junior club, think you had to have played so many games from U14 up to get that money, one drafted there was a payment, 1st AFL game some other payment and not sure after that.
Dont know if it is still in vogue or not, dont think Broadies got anything for Rozee and Woodcock when they were drafted, dont know if North did or not
North got nothing for having 5 players drafted in 2018 other than an 1/8th share of the SANFL dividend, the same as all other clubs.
This year North with 1 rookie draft will get the same as the Eagles with 7 drafted.
It is wrong. The Eagles got 7 drafted, they should be rewarded.
Know there was a system where money went back to the original junior club, think you had to have played so many games from U14 up to get that money, one drafted there was a payment, 1st AFL game some other payment and not sure after that.
Dont know if it is still in vogue or not, dont think Broadies got anything for Rozee and Woodcock when they were drafted, dont know if North did or not
North got nothing for having 5 players drafted in 2018 other than an 1/8th share of the SANFL dividend, the same as all other clubs.
This year North with 1 rookie draft will get the same as the Eagles with 7 drafted.
It is wrong. The Eagles got 7 drafted, they should be rewarded.
- Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:50 pm
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Re: 2021 Player movements
Given that Darren Reeves is North's development coach he is much more likely to recommend a recruit to his current employer, not his former employer.
- Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:18 pm
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Re: SANFL 2021 SEASON
Sad, was always a feature of the Eagles games and at the cricket during summer, reckon it was only 19/20 summer that he was still working outside AO.
You may well be right. He was certainly selling footy budgets and records during the 2019 season.
He wasn't well enough to go to Adelaide Oval for last year's Grand Final, but he did watch it at the Eagles club with his wife, who also is a passionate Eagles supporter. As much as I, of course, wanted the Roosters to win I was very pleased that Aussie was able to see the Eagles take the flag. He was suffering both with his own health and with other personal traumas at the time.
On a personal note, I have known him since 1978, and he has always been a "character" with a clever wit and a good work ethic. He not only worked long and hard for West Torrens and then the merged entity but he was also a hard worker for charities all of his life. I met him when he was 21 whilst he was doing charity work and we have remained friends ever since.
I was saddened that he passed away last Saturday morning prior to the Eagles thrashing Port. He would have enjoyed that result more than almost anything in life
You may well be right. He was certainly selling footy budgets and records during the 2019 season.
He wasn't well enough to go to Adelaide Oval for last year's Grand Final, but he did watch it at the Eagles club with his wife, who also is a passionate Eagles supporter. As much as I, of course, wanted the Roosters to win I was very pleased that Aussie was able to see the Eagles take the flag. He was suffering both with his own health and with other personal traumas at the time.
On a personal note, I have known him since 1978, and he has always been a "character" with a clever wit and a good work ethic. He not only worked long and hard for West Torrens and then the merged entity but he was also a hard worker for charities all of his life. I met him when he was 21 whilst he was doing charity work and we have remained friends ever since.
I was saddened that he passed away last Saturday morning prior to the Eagles thrashing Port. He would have enjoyed that result more than almost anything in life
- Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:00 am
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Re: R12 Eagles v Glenelg Sunday 1335
I'm not sure what the issue is with McBean. I love watching him play, one of my fav players outside of my club. Would have him at North in a heartbeat.
I am in total agreement with that summation.
My only complaint with McBean is that he shouldn't be playing in the SANFL. There are many, many inferior footballers in the AFL system.
North chased him when he first was delisted by Richmond, I wish that we had got him.
I am in total agreement with that summation.
My only complaint with McBean is that he shouldn't be playing in the SANFL. There are many, many inferior footballers in the AFL system.
North chased him when he first was delisted by Richmond, I wish that we had got him.
- Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:46 pm
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The so called commentary is a ******* disgrace, everyone needs to complain to the SANFL about this ignorant cow.
I have to agree.
I have just watched the game on the digital pass having been at the Game.
I will be ringing the SANFL on Monday to complain about the commentary. I implore anyone else who watched the game via the digital pass to do the same. We pay for the privilege of hearing about Matt Crouch, Billy Frampton, Jacko Hately etc whilst in the meantime North score another goal with only a fleeting acknowledgement.
The commentators were just completely unaware of anything. Early on they said that the Crows were going with a slight breeze when North were actually kicking with a gale,
And I don't usually comment about umpiring but the display today was abysmal. How North could have been so far in front yet get so few frees was amazing. It is a wonder that the game didn't descend into an all in brawl given the frustration North players must have felt. The number of times a Crows player had ample opportunity to get rid of the ball, would be tackled and turned 360 degrees and a ball up resulted was disgraceful.
Having complained bitterly I must say that I was very pleased with the Roosters today. They have been in excellent form (despite the male commentator saying that they were bringing indifferent form into the game). North have now won their last 4 games by 76 points, 44 points, 48 points and now 54 points. I would take indifferent form like that any day.
North now have four difficult games to end the minor round. They play Sturt at Unley, Eagles at Prospect, South at Noarlunga and Norwood at home.
I have to agree.
I have just watched the game on the digital pass having been at the Game.
I will be ringing the SANFL on Monday to complain about the commentary. I implore anyone else who watched the game via the digital pass to do the same. We pay for the privilege of hearing about Matt Crouch, Billy Frampton, Jacko Hately etc whilst in the meantime North score another goal with only a fleeting acknowledgement.
The commentators were just completely unaware of anything. Early on they said that the Crows were going with a slight breeze when North were actually kicking with a gale,
And I don't usually comment about umpiring but the display today was abysmal. How North could have been so far in front yet get so few frees was amazing. It is a wonder that the game didn't descend into an all in brawl given the frustration North players must have felt. The number of times a Crows player had ample opportunity to get rid of the ball, would be tackled and turned 360 degrees and a ball up resulted was disgraceful.
Having complained bitterly I must say that I was very pleased with the Roosters today. They have been in excellent form (despite the male commentator saying that they were bringing indifferent form into the game). North have now won their last 4 games by 76 points, 44 points, 48 points and now 54 points. I would take indifferent form like that any day.
North now have four difficult games to end the minor round. They play Sturt at Unley, Eagles at Prospect, South at Noarlunga and Norwood at home.
- Sat Jul 17, 2021 8:52 pm
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Re: Round 16
The biggest crowd this century wasn't on a long weekend so they'll always have a good argument to change it back unfortunately.
Begs the question, how many more would the Roosters and Redlegs have attracted had the game been in October?
One thing for sure is that premiers like North and Glenelg would have drawn much bigger crowds back at the club on Grand Final night if patrons didn't have to work the next day. I know of at least 20 family and friends who didn't go to Prospect on the night because of work or school the next day. North still had a very big crowd as did Glenelg the next year.
Begs the question, how many more would the Roosters and Redlegs have attracted had the game been in October?
One thing for sure is that premiers like North and Glenelg would have drawn much bigger crowds back at the club on Grand Final night if patrons didn't have to work the next day. I know of at least 20 family and friends who didn't go to Prospect on the night because of work or school the next day. North still had a very big crowd as did Glenelg the next year.
- Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:20 pm
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Re: SANFL 2021 SEASON
West Torrens council has approved to put the SANFL premiers colours on the chimney at the Brickworks.
Geez, I'll have to find somewhere else to shop when the Bays colours go up there.
It looks like you can drive down Port Road again now though.
Whilst stuck in traffic on Thursday morning I saw a bloke starting to paint the top of the West End chimney grey. He must not have been an Eagles fan - it only took him about 2 minutes with the large roller to cover up most of the Eagles' colours whilst initially leaving the Roosters untouched, even though it looked like he could reach the red and white from the same scaffold platform.
I didn't see what the end result was but I guess they have to give the site a cleanskin ready for sale or whatever they are going to do with it. End of an era but at least the tradition will continue 1km away.
Of course it is the end of an era but younger posters may not realise that this will be the third chimney. The original chimney was located at the West End Brewery. The Premiers colours moved to the Southwark Brewery somewhere around the late 1970s. It was certainly at its current location by 1983.
Geez, I'll have to find somewhere else to shop when the Bays colours go up there.
It looks like you can drive down Port Road again now though.
Whilst stuck in traffic on Thursday morning I saw a bloke starting to paint the top of the West End chimney grey. He must not have been an Eagles fan - it only took him about 2 minutes with the large roller to cover up most of the Eagles' colours whilst initially leaving the Roosters untouched, even though it looked like he could reach the red and white from the same scaffold platform.
I didn't see what the end result was but I guess they have to give the site a cleanskin ready for sale or whatever they are going to do with it. End of an era but at least the tradition will continue 1km away.
Of course it is the end of an era but younger posters may not realise that this will be the third chimney. The original chimney was located at the West End Brewery. The Premiers colours moved to the Southwark Brewery somewhere around the late 1970s. It was certainly at its current location by 1983.
- Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:55 pm
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Re: R18 North v Norwood Saturday 2.30
sack Carr
Spot on, Fremantle had a terrible season.
You’re also a bit behind the times, Carr was stood down in July for breaching WA quarantine rules. ;)
Most unlike Carr to break the rules but I’m sure it was an honest mistake *18
Just like Balme in the 1982 Second Semi Final when 3 goals 1 behind was scored whilst Norwood had 19 men on the field.
Spot on, Fremantle had a terrible season.
You’re also a bit behind the times, Carr was stood down in July for breaching WA quarantine rules. ;)
Most unlike Carr to break the rules but I’m sure it was an honest mistake *18
Just like Balme in the 1982 Second Semi Final when 3 goals 1 behind was scored whilst Norwood had 19 men on the field.
- Sun Aug 29, 2021 11:35 pm
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Re: 1964 - 1990
Robran in 1971 was the equal of Davies in 1976.
He wasn't bad in 1972 when he was tagged by Woite for 2 1/2 quarters and then Ebert for 1 1/2 quarters and took them both to the cleaners.
RiG, do you have on hand Robran's stats from the 71 and 72 grand finals?
I have found "unofficial" stats that says that Robran had 30 kicks, 10 handballs, 12 hitouts and 10 marks in the 1971 Grand Final.
He wasn't bad in 1972 when he was tagged by Woite for 2 1/2 quarters and then Ebert for 1 1/2 quarters and took them both to the cleaners.
RiG, do you have on hand Robran's stats from the 71 and 72 grand finals?
I have found "unofficial" stats that says that Robran had 30 kicks, 10 handballs, 12 hitouts and 10 marks in the 1971 Grand Final.
- Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:16 pm
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Re: 2nd Semi Final Bays v Eagles
Terrific standard of match, terrific outcome if you are an eagles supporter!
I was quietly confident going into the match thinking that all the pressure would be on Glenelg and also noting that we have been right with them for much of the matches we played against them this year.
Thought that the dominant performance we put on for the best part of 3 quarters was enabled by great games from some of our less heralded players – players like Firns , Jungfer, Rowland, Commitgianni all lifted a gear to assist the usual suspects Tsitas, Knights, Hayes, Stengle etc.
The Tsitas tackle in the last quarter was fantastic and potentially won the game for us with that act.
Who knows if we will play the Bays in the GF? South have got their mojo back and I could very easily see them winning. But if there is a next time they will have Partington and we are unlikely to have Goldy so will be interesting to see how we go. Who comes in for Goldy? If the same team balance is required then you’d have to expect it would be Litster or Macfarlane. I’d love to see the former get a game because he has serious talent but Macfarlane bring speed and class and has been building after coming back from injury and spending the last few weeks in the reserves.
Much to my chagrin, I thought that Firns was absolutely outstanding in last year's Grand Final as well. He looks to be a big game player.
I was quietly confident going into the match thinking that all the pressure would be on Glenelg and also noting that we have been right with them for much of the matches we played against them this year.
Thought that the dominant performance we put on for the best part of 3 quarters was enabled by great games from some of our less heralded players – players like Firns , Jungfer, Rowland, Commitgianni all lifted a gear to assist the usual suspects Tsitas, Knights, Hayes, Stengle etc.
The Tsitas tackle in the last quarter was fantastic and potentially won the game for us with that act.
Who knows if we will play the Bays in the GF? South have got their mojo back and I could very easily see them winning. But if there is a next time they will have Partington and we are unlikely to have Goldy so will be interesting to see how we go. Who comes in for Goldy? If the same team balance is required then you’d have to expect it would be Litster or Macfarlane. I’d love to see the former get a game because he has serious talent but Macfarlane bring speed and class and has been building after coming back from injury and spending the last few weeks in the reserves.
Much to my chagrin, I thought that Firns was absolutely outstanding in last year's Grand Final as well. He looks to be a big game player.
- Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:25 am
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Re: Barrie Robran
How tall was/is Barrie Robran?
Fairly certain he was 6ft, or thereabouts. Could play on ball, or CHF with ease. Even chop out in the ruck if needed.
Very different times of course, but in some ways, maybe he was the first “big bodied” mid fielder?
He has probably shrunk with age, but Barrie was 6 foot 3 inches tall when he was playing.
That gave rise to Fos Williams' comments that as great a players Ebert and Blight were, Robran being 3 inches taller just had the edge on those two other champions of the era. Ebert was exactly 6 foot and incredibly Blighty was a Collingwood 6 footer (5 foot 11 1/2 inches).
Prior to Barrie, Peter Obst was probably the tallest midfielder.
Fairly certain he was 6ft, or thereabouts. Could play on ball, or CHF with ease. Even chop out in the ruck if needed.
Very different times of course, but in some ways, maybe he was the first “big bodied” mid fielder?
He has probably shrunk with age, but Barrie was 6 foot 3 inches tall when he was playing.
That gave rise to Fos Williams' comments that as great a players Ebert and Blight were, Robran being 3 inches taller just had the edge on those two other champions of the era. Ebert was exactly 6 foot and incredibly Blighty was a Collingwood 6 footer (5 foot 11 1/2 inches).
Prior to Barrie, Peter Obst was probably the tallest midfielder.
- Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:20 am
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Re: SA Hall of Fame
The SANFL in recent years has combined the Magarey Medal presentation and inductees to the SANFL Hall of Fame. Nothing happened or was mentioned about the Hall of Fame last night. Despite clubs being requested by the SANFL to nominate suggestions during the year it seems as though they have regarded nobody as worthy of induction this year. Can anyone in the know advise what the situation is and I see today that Russell Ebert has been elevated to Legend Status which is well deserved and this was arranged in a private meeting. Was a Hall of Fame arranged at a Hall of fame committee meeting and no other nomations were agreed?
Just a guess, but maybe respect from all clubs toward such a legend in light of his current battle?
This isn't the SANFL Hall of Fame but rather the SA Sport Hall of Fame. They are two different Halls of Fame.
As far as I know the SANFL didn't induct anyone this year.
Just a guess, but maybe respect from all clubs toward such a legend in light of his current battle?
This isn't the SANFL Hall of Fame but rather the SA Sport Hall of Fame. They are two different Halls of Fame.
As far as I know the SANFL didn't induct anyone this year.
- Sat Oct 23, 2021 9:55 am
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Vale Graham Campbell
KG just announced on the radio that his close friend, Graham Campbell, has passed away at 85 years of age.
In addition to coaching Glenelg, Graham coached West Perth to a WAFL premiership in 1975 and coached Fitzroy to a Night premiership.
I always thought that he was very unlucky not to coach Glenelg to a premiership.
In addition to coaching Glenelg, Graham coached West Perth to a WAFL premiership in 1975 and coached Fitzroy to a Night premiership.
I always thought that he was very unlucky not to coach Glenelg to a premiership.
- Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:46 pm
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Re: 1964 - 1990
Robran in 1971 was the equal of Davies in 1976.
He wasn't bad in 1972 when he was tagged by Woite for 2 1/2 quarters and then Ebert for 1 1/2 quarters and took them both to the cleaners.
RiG, do you have on hand Robran's stats from the 71 and 72 grand finals?
I have found "unofficial" stats that says that Robran had 30 kicks, 10 handballs, 12 hitouts and 10 marks in the 1971 Grand Final.
Thanks for that, RiG. 40 touches and 10 marks on a wet day, not a bad effort.
52 touches if you count his 12 hitouts, which in itself isn't a bad stat for a midfielder.
And once again not trying to decry Davies game at all, it was unbelievable but Robran was a much better user of the ball by foot.
As great as Davies was, his game was a one off, whereas it was almost par for the course for Robran.
I have finally found Barrie's stats for the 1972 Grand Final. He had 21 kicks, 12 marks, 10 handballs, 8 hitouts and 1 goal whilst being tagged for 2 1/2 quarters by Peter Woite and when he had ran him into exhaustion he was tagged by Russell Ebert for the last quarter and a half.
I still don't think that we will ever see Robran's like again.
He wasn't bad in 1972 when he was tagged by Woite for 2 1/2 quarters and then Ebert for 1 1/2 quarters and took them both to the cleaners.
RiG, do you have on hand Robran's stats from the 71 and 72 grand finals?
I have found "unofficial" stats that says that Robran had 30 kicks, 10 handballs, 12 hitouts and 10 marks in the 1971 Grand Final.
Thanks for that, RiG. 40 touches and 10 marks on a wet day, not a bad effort.
52 touches if you count his 12 hitouts, which in itself isn't a bad stat for a midfielder.
And once again not trying to decry Davies game at all, it was unbelievable but Robran was a much better user of the ball by foot.
As great as Davies was, his game was a one off, whereas it was almost par for the course for Robran.
I have finally found Barrie's stats for the 1972 Grand Final. He had 21 kicks, 12 marks, 10 handballs, 8 hitouts and 1 goal whilst being tagged for 2 1/2 quarters by Peter Woite and when he had ran him into exhaustion he was tagged by Russell Ebert for the last quarter and a half.
I still don't think that we will ever see Robran's like again.
- Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:38 pm
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Re: SANFL 2022 West End State Squad announced
How we can get three in the squad and not get near winning a game for nearly 12 months is beyond me...
It's been over 12 months since West last won a game (Rnd 5 v CD last year - 1/5/21) at League level.
I reckon if Proud and Partington weren't withdrawn due to injury then Keough and Carmichael might not have made it.
In my option, Kaiden Brand has been the best CHB this year and deserves his spot while Carmichael has been a real surprise packet.
I called the Crows game on Saturday and he looked comfortable against AFL listed boys, playing himself into a state jumper and maybe a MSD spot.
Brand was absolutely outstanding for a bit over a quarter against North before momentarily knocking himself out falling backwards to take a very courageous mark.
For those with very long memories he reminds me of the great Peter Cloke, who was the most courageous high mark I have ever seen and rated by Tommy Hafey as the equal best, with Royce Hart, mark that Tommy ever coached.
Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I am trying to emphasise just how good Brand was that night.
On the other hand neither Keough nor Carmichael did much against North to suggest they deserved a state guernsey. They got plenty of the ball without being dangerous. I guess that it is hard in a team some devoid of confidence as West were against North.
It does seem strange that West have 3 players in the team, yet Sturt, who I rate as a potential Grand Finalist, only have 2 players.
Then again, like most North supporters I am torn about having players represent the state. We all know what happened to the greatest player any of us are likely to see in a state game. It took North 10 years to recover from one injury in a state game.
It's been over 12 months since West last won a game (Rnd 5 v CD last year - 1/5/21) at League level.
I reckon if Proud and Partington weren't withdrawn due to injury then Keough and Carmichael might not have made it.
In my option, Kaiden Brand has been the best CHB this year and deserves his spot while Carmichael has been a real surprise packet.
I called the Crows game on Saturday and he looked comfortable against AFL listed boys, playing himself into a state jumper and maybe a MSD spot.
Brand was absolutely outstanding for a bit over a quarter against North before momentarily knocking himself out falling backwards to take a very courageous mark.
For those with very long memories he reminds me of the great Peter Cloke, who was the most courageous high mark I have ever seen and rated by Tommy Hafey as the equal best, with Royce Hart, mark that Tommy ever coached.
Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I am trying to emphasise just how good Brand was that night.
On the other hand neither Keough nor Carmichael did much against North to suggest they deserved a state guernsey. They got plenty of the ball without being dangerous. I guess that it is hard in a team some devoid of confidence as West were against North.
It does seem strange that West have 3 players in the team, yet Sturt, who I rate as a potential Grand Finalist, only have 2 players.
Then again, like most North supporters I am torn about having players represent the state. We all know what happened to the greatest player any of us are likely to see in a state game. It took North 10 years to recover from one injury in a state game.
- Wed May 11, 2022 10:25 am
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Re: R12 Central v North
PatowalongaPirate wrote:Norf by 38pts.
NostraPirateus.
- Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:31 pm
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Re: 1964 - 1990
in 1973 the elim and first semi were played at norwood oval, the legs participated in both of them.
why would the sanfl program finals there when norwood were playing, very unfair imho.
surely other grounds could have been used, alberton, woodville or richmond come to mind.
anybody have any clue why this occured?
Port were pretty unhappy about it I think.
No idea why they chose Norwood (or why they didn't have the Norwood games at Adelaide, and the QF and 2SF at Norwood) but this was before Sunday matches, double headers, or Football Park were a thing, so they had to play somewhere.
The common sense thing to do back then was to play the Elimination Final at Adelaide and the Qualifying Final at Norwood and then play the First Semi Final at Adelaide and the Second Semi Final at Norwood. But common sense has never been a given for footy administrators.
why would the sanfl program finals there when norwood were playing, very unfair imho.
surely other grounds could have been used, alberton, woodville or richmond come to mind.
anybody have any clue why this occured?
Port were pretty unhappy about it I think.
No idea why they chose Norwood (or why they didn't have the Norwood games at Adelaide, and the QF and 2SF at Norwood) but this was before Sunday matches, double headers, or Football Park were a thing, so they had to play somewhere.
The common sense thing to do back then was to play the Elimination Final at Adelaide and the Qualifying Final at Norwood and then play the First Semi Final at Adelaide and the Second Semi Final at Norwood. But common sense has never been a given for footy administrators.
- Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:47 pm
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Re: retirements and upcoming signings
I do not think any club has signed a new (to the club) player who will be 35 at the commencement of the season.
Off the top of my head I can think of one who was 35 and turned 36 in his only season and one other possible.
The possible was Max Parker who was born in 1953 and played for North for one season in 1988. I don't know in which month his birthday was.
The certainty was Fred Pemberton who was born in 1923 and played for Glenelg for one season in 1959.
Despite turning 36 during the season, Pemberton was Glenelg's leading goalkicker and was famously known as last kick Pemberton. During the minor round he scored a goal in the last 10 seconds to win a game against North and then in the first semi final he scored two goals within the last 90 seconds to win the game for Glenelg against Sturt by one point. He was the last Second World War Serviceman to play League Football in South Australia.
Off the top of my head I can think of one who was 35 and turned 36 in his only season and one other possible.
The possible was Max Parker who was born in 1953 and played for North for one season in 1988. I don't know in which month his birthday was.
The certainty was Fred Pemberton who was born in 1923 and played for Glenelg for one season in 1959.
Despite turning 36 during the season, Pemberton was Glenelg's leading goalkicker and was famously known as last kick Pemberton. During the minor round he scored a goal in the last 10 seconds to win a game against North and then in the first semi final he scored two goals within the last 90 seconds to win the game for Glenelg against Sturt by one point. He was the last Second World War Serviceman to play League Football in South Australia.
- Thu Oct 13, 2022 2:08 pm
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Re: Every player who has played in the SANFL - The list
I am very confident about the following dates of birth, I have listed how I either found or knew the dates of birth:
Raymore Bruce Hocking 1 June 1937 (my ex next door neighbour)
Robert Farmer West Adelaide 2 June 1947 (ex Collingwood)
Alex Hryhorec Port Adelaide 25 February 1956 ( went to school together and 50 years later still one of my closest mates)
Frank Middleton Central District 2 November 1944 (Appeared on a Mobil card circa 1965)
Dennis Barron Central District 9 September 1936 (ex WAFL)
John Fraser Sangster Sturt 21 January 1942 (Ex Interstate cricketer and doctor)
Mark McGrath 17 June 1944 died 3 January 1968 (RAAF pilot died on active service)
Damian Patrick Nygaard Norwood 24 May 1945 (Finished career in WAFL)
Robert (Bob) SImunsen Woodville 7 June 1941 (Also played Sheffield Shield cricket)
Trevor James Stone 6 September 1937 (played for North 1957 and Woodville 1964)
It is Keith Shortill not Shorthill. He was from East Fremantle and returned there.
Alan Teasdale South Adelaide 15 July 1944 (ex Geelong)
Gary Edwards Woodville had previously played a number of games for Glenelg
Gary Wallis West Adelaide 12 July 1946 (ex Collingwood - played in 1966 VFL Grand Final)
It is Ray Klavins not Robert Klavins for Port (I went to school with him - last I heard of him he was tied up with Penna Hills wines in Clare)
John Ronaldson South Adelaide 1 October 1946 (ex Richmond - 2 times VFL premiership player)
Neville John Miller West Adelaide 29 September 1951 (ex South Melbourne)
Graeme Linke Woodville 17 November 1951 (ex Geelong and after Woodville played for Footscray)
Kym Charles Richardson West Torrens 16 March 1958 (ex Federal Liberal member for Kingston)
Terrence Neville Mayne West Adelaide 24 December 1950 died 11 April 1983 (ex Geelong)
Murray Batt Port Adelaide 6 October 1953 (ex Collingwood)
Geoffrey Clark Norwood August 1952 – Aboriginal politician and activist
Peter Joseph Walsh West Adelaide 24 July 1976 (After West Adelaide, played in the AFL for Melbourne and Port)
David Walls Norwood 21 November 1978 - (Son of Robert, on Carlton's list for 2 years)
Dane Rolfe Norwood 7 March 1981 (represented Australia in bobsleigh)
Justin Berry South Adelaide 27 April 1981 (St Kilda rookie)
Mark Bradley South Adelaide 18 September 1978 (drafted by Collingwood circa 1995)
Michael Davis South Adelaide 3 February 1982 (drafted by Essendon and then rookie listed by Carlton)
Joshua William Paul (Josh) Mahoney Glenelg 31 October 1977 (Port Adelaide 2004 AFL premiership player, also played for Western Bulldogs and Collingwood)
James William Plant Sturt 10 August 1982 (State Cricketer)
Adam Eckermann Sturt/Port Adelaide 31 July 1990
Lachlan Hosie Glenelg 25 February 1997 (Played 5 games for North Melbourne -2019)
Raymore Bruce Hocking 1 June 1937 (my ex next door neighbour)
Robert Farmer West Adelaide 2 June 1947 (ex Collingwood)
Alex Hryhorec Port Adelaide 25 February 1956 ( went to school together and 50 years later still one of my closest mates)
Frank Middleton Central District 2 November 1944 (Appeared on a Mobil card circa 1965)
Dennis Barron Central District 9 September 1936 (ex WAFL)
John Fraser Sangster Sturt 21 January 1942 (Ex Interstate cricketer and doctor)
Mark McGrath 17 June 1944 died 3 January 1968 (RAAF pilot died on active service)
Damian Patrick Nygaard Norwood 24 May 1945 (Finished career in WAFL)
Robert (Bob) SImunsen Woodville 7 June 1941 (Also played Sheffield Shield cricket)
Trevor James Stone 6 September 1937 (played for North 1957 and Woodville 1964)
It is Keith Shortill not Shorthill. He was from East Fremantle and returned there.
Alan Teasdale South Adelaide 15 July 1944 (ex Geelong)
Gary Edwards Woodville had previously played a number of games for Glenelg
Gary Wallis West Adelaide 12 July 1946 (ex Collingwood - played in 1966 VFL Grand Final)
It is Ray Klavins not Robert Klavins for Port (I went to school with him - last I heard of him he was tied up with Penna Hills wines in Clare)
John Ronaldson South Adelaide 1 October 1946 (ex Richmond - 2 times VFL premiership player)
Neville John Miller West Adelaide 29 September 1951 (ex South Melbourne)
Graeme Linke Woodville 17 November 1951 (ex Geelong and after Woodville played for Footscray)
Kym Charles Richardson West Torrens 16 March 1958 (ex Federal Liberal member for Kingston)
Terrence Neville Mayne West Adelaide 24 December 1950 died 11 April 1983 (ex Geelong)
Murray Batt Port Adelaide 6 October 1953 (ex Collingwood)
Geoffrey Clark Norwood August 1952 – Aboriginal politician and activist
Peter Joseph Walsh West Adelaide 24 July 1976 (After West Adelaide, played in the AFL for Melbourne and Port)
David Walls Norwood 21 November 1978 - (Son of Robert, on Carlton's list for 2 years)
Dane Rolfe Norwood 7 March 1981 (represented Australia in bobsleigh)
Justin Berry South Adelaide 27 April 1981 (St Kilda rookie)
Mark Bradley South Adelaide 18 September 1978 (drafted by Collingwood circa 1995)
Michael Davis South Adelaide 3 February 1982 (drafted by Essendon and then rookie listed by Carlton)
Joshua William Paul (Josh) Mahoney Glenelg 31 October 1977 (Port Adelaide 2004 AFL premiership player, also played for Western Bulldogs and Collingwood)
James William Plant Sturt 10 August 1982 (State Cricketer)
Adam Eckermann Sturt/Port Adelaide 31 July 1990
Lachlan Hosie Glenelg 25 February 1997 (Played 5 games for North Melbourne -2019)
- Mon Apr 17, 2023 12:32 am
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Re: ROUND 6 BAYS VS NORTH STRATARAMA STADIUM SAT 2:10PM
Lowest turnout of North supporters at The Bay that I can recall, usually a hell of a lot more on the outer wing & on umbrella hill.
One important reason for most of the 15 seasons prior to COVID Glenelg played North on the June holiday Monday. There were crowds sometimes up to 6,000 with a very healthy contingent of North supporters. In fact one Glenelg poster on this site said many years ago that North must have the best group of travelling supporters. It certainly is no longer the case, maybe a lot of the North travelling supporters are now too old.
On the other hand, Glenelg should have a monster holiday Monday crowd playing Sturt this year. Given the form of both sides it is possible that there may be 10,000 people at the game.
I was going to criticize the powers that be that changed the June Holiday traditional match, but they must have had great foresight when doing the program to schedule the two teams that at this stage look likely Grand Finallists.
One important reason for most of the 15 seasons prior to COVID Glenelg played North on the June holiday Monday. There were crowds sometimes up to 6,000 with a very healthy contingent of North supporters. In fact one Glenelg poster on this site said many years ago that North must have the best group of travelling supporters. It certainly is no longer the case, maybe a lot of the North travelling supporters are now too old.
On the other hand, Glenelg should have a monster holiday Monday crowd playing Sturt this year. Given the form of both sides it is possible that there may be 10,000 people at the game.
I was going to criticize the powers that be that changed the June Holiday traditional match, but they must have had great foresight when doing the program to schedule the two teams that at this stage look likely Grand Finallists.
- Thu May 18, 2023 8:07 am
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Re: ROUND 6 BAYS VS NORTH STRATARAMA STADIUM SAT 2:10PM
10,000?? i wish, crowds at sanfl games are slowly dwindling, i fear for our comp when olld coots like me fall off the perch
Agree, that's where charging $20 to get into an SANFL game is ludicrous. I know many people who would go to a game here and there, big game like Sturt vs Bays for example, but no way would pay that much, should be $10. Would make a killing over the bar and food, just plain stupid!
I guess I was thinking back to about 2009 when Glenelg and Sturt drew 12,000 people to a game at the Bay.
You are certainly right about the entrance cost stopping a lot of people from going.
Agree, that's where charging $20 to get into an SANFL game is ludicrous. I know many people who would go to a game here and there, big game like Sturt vs Bays for example, but no way would pay that much, should be $10. Would make a killing over the bar and food, just plain stupid!
I guess I was thinking back to about 2009 when Glenelg and Sturt drew 12,000 people to a game at the Bay.
You are certainly right about the entrance cost stopping a lot of people from going.
- Fri May 19, 2023 2:11 pm
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Re: Round 11 North v Adelaide
Much better by the Roosters today.
It was easily the best game Jesse White has played for the club. He looked rejuvenated. Up until today I thought his comeback had been a waste of time. Sam Mayes is a very important recruit also. He had the body strength to go with the Crows midfield, and of course Wigg, Combe, Spina and Szekely were all very good. The Roosters defence also held firm. van Huisstede, Wlisdon and Magor were all very solid.
The other important factor was the added pace from the juniors who have come into the side. None of them amassed great stats, but they gave the side a boost.
If North can get Young, Moore, Ramsey, Finlay and perhaps Casalini back into the side and firing they still may be a finals proposition. Their midfield at full strength is as good as any and they have a good defence. Ruck and forwards are still an issue.
The Crows did miss many shots for goal, but most of their misses were either a fair way out or under pressure.
It was easily the best game Jesse White has played for the club. He looked rejuvenated. Up until today I thought his comeback had been a waste of time. Sam Mayes is a very important recruit also. He had the body strength to go with the Crows midfield, and of course Wigg, Combe, Spina and Szekely were all very good. The Roosters defence also held firm. van Huisstede, Wlisdon and Magor were all very solid.
The other important factor was the added pace from the juniors who have come into the side. None of them amassed great stats, but they gave the side a boost.
If North can get Young, Moore, Ramsey, Finlay and perhaps Casalini back into the side and firing they still may be a finals proposition. Their midfield at full strength is as good as any and they have a good defence. Ruck and forwards are still an issue.
The Crows did miss many shots for goal, but most of their misses were either a fair way out or under pressure.
- Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:08 pm
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Re: Round 13 Sturt v South
Brooksby has been plain. Mind on the breeding barn
Brooksby could spend the next 4 games in bed and he'd still win the B+F, has been the least of South's worries.
I wish North had a ruckman as "plain" as Brooksby. He killed us at Prospect as he has done so often over so many seasons.
He was still one of South's best players against North at Noarlunga as well.
I find the whole "breeding barn" comment distasteful and shouldn't be said about one of the best and most loyal footballers in the SANFL in the last 10 years or so.
Brooksby could spend the next 4 games in bed and he'd still win the B+F, has been the least of South's worries.
I wish North had a ruckman as "plain" as Brooksby. He killed us at Prospect as he has done so often over so many seasons.
He was still one of South's best players against North at Noarlunga as well.
I find the whole "breeding barn" comment distasteful and shouldn't be said about one of the best and most loyal footballers in the SANFL in the last 10 years or so.
- Mon Jul 17, 2023 9:22 pm
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Re: SANFL 2023 season
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These odds highlight an issue that I think should be outlawed.
It is impossible for Norwood and West to now make the finals, therefore betting agencies should not be allowed to take bets on them,
They are both 4 games behind both North and Central with 4 games to go, but given that North still are to play Central neither Norwood nor West can make the five.
These odds highlight an issue that I think should be outlawed.
It is impossible for Norwood and West to now make the finals, therefore betting agencies should not be allowed to take bets on them,
They are both 4 games behind both North and Central with 4 games to go, but given that North still are to play Central neither Norwood nor West can make the five.
- Mon Jul 24, 2023 8:23 pm
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Re: RD 17 DOGS VS NORTH PROSPECT OVAL SAT 19TH AUG 2:10PM
Central player Jex McLennan got fined $125 for a dangerous tackle when the umpire awarded him a free kick for holding the ball.
Sums up the umpires on Saturday beautifully.
It was obvious that the umpires observer at half time told the umpires to ping the sling. To miss the McLennan one and then ping a number in the second half was ludicrous.
Both sides suffered from the poor umpiring.
Two of the three umpires were much too unfit to umpire league football, Even with a three man umpiring system, they weren't fit enough to get into the correct position.
Sums up the umpires on Saturday beautifully.
It was obvious that the umpires observer at half time told the umpires to ping the sling. To miss the McLennan one and then ping a number in the second half was ludicrous.
Both sides suffered from the poor umpiring.
Two of the three umpires were much too unfit to umpire league football, Even with a three man umpiring system, they weren't fit enough to get into the correct position.
- Mon Aug 21, 2023 7:50 pm
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Re: Magarey Medal 2023
Harry Grant from Central District... dominated the SANFL Now POTY voting and wins that by a country mile.
Just up on the League website:-
"By ZAC MILBANK
Central District ball magnet Harry Grant has cruised to a comfortable win in the 2023 SANFL Now Player of the Year Award."
https://sanfl.com.au/league/news/harry-grant-wins-2023-sanfl-now-player-of-the-year-award/
Well done Harry. :)
Harry Grant should win easily.
The only concern is that he wasn't well known at the start of the year. Accordingly would the umpires recognise him, even though he was racking up the stats.
Just up on the League website:-
"By ZAC MILBANK
Central District ball magnet Harry Grant has cruised to a comfortable win in the 2023 SANFL Now Player of the Year Award."
https://sanfl.com.au/league/news/harry-grant-wins-2023-sanfl-now-player-of-the-year-award/
Well done Harry. :)
Harry Grant should win easily.
The only concern is that he wasn't well known at the start of the year. Accordingly would the umpires recognise him, even though he was racking up the stats.
- Thu Aug 31, 2023 9:06 am
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Re: 2023 Elimination Final - Central District v Powerserves
And Hoskin just keeps on playing very cool, calm & collected footy,
we'll miss him big time when he retires.
Our best pick up from Port?
Maybe a tie with Kyle Robert Jenner.
Aren't they about our only two (apart from Des Drogemuller and Michael Wakelin)?
Probably should be in the History section, but in their inaugural year, Central had WIlf Huddleston, Keith Johns, Graeme Eime and Lynton Reeves, all of whom had previously played league at Port.
Keith Johns, who was the brother of the great Rex Johns was Central's leading goal scorer in 1964.
we'll miss him big time when he retires.
Our best pick up from Port?
Maybe a tie with Kyle Robert Jenner.
Aren't they about our only two (apart from Des Drogemuller and Michael Wakelin)?
Probably should be in the History section, but in their inaugural year, Central had WIlf Huddleston, Keith Johns, Graeme Eime and Lynton Reeves, all of whom had previously played league at Port.
Keith Johns, who was the brother of the great Rex Johns was Central's leading goal scorer in 1964.
- Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:27 am
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Re: 2023 First Semi Final, Sturt v Central District
The Band-Aid I've had on my wounds from the 1971 1st Semi Final has been ripped off and I'm reliving the pain all over again. All I need is for Robin Mulholland to run onto the oval wearing a CD guernsey again...
He'll be out there, disguised as Aiden Grace :D
I don't think Aiden Grace will kick 5 goals in the last quarter as Mulholland did back in 1971 - but then CD had never beaten Sturt prior to that 71 1st Semi...so anything can happen...
And just to refresh your memory, here is the link to last quarter of that famous 1971 game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUOt6r-x6ZI
Everyone of the Sturt 18 were either a premiership player or were to become one.
He'll be out there, disguised as Aiden Grace :D
I don't think Aiden Grace will kick 5 goals in the last quarter as Mulholland did back in 1971 - but then CD had never beaten Sturt prior to that 71 1st Semi...so anything can happen...
And just to refresh your memory, here is the link to last quarter of that famous 1971 game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUOt6r-x6ZI
Everyone of the Sturt 18 were either a premiership player or were to become one.
- Tue Sep 05, 2023 3:26 pm
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Re: Magarey Medal 2023
As expected, Harry Grant has won the 2023 Magarey Medal with 27 votes Nick Rokhar second and James Battersby third. A very deserving winner
- Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:39 pm
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Re: Magarey Medal 2023
South v North Round 8.
Sproule 2 votes. Thinking to myself, I think he did not play the second half. Had a check. Off at the 18 minute mark of the second quarter,
Did not make the 6 best players named by the coach (who would with less than half a game?)
I wonder who was supposed to get the votes?
That reminds me of a game at Norwood in 1990. North thrashed Norwood and Darren Jarman got the 3 votes, (It was the day Darren pointed to the scoreboard to Andrew). Anyway at 3/4 time in the coverage the commentators mentioned that the rising star, Adam Saliba (number 43) had only had 2 touches. He had a few in the last quarter, but not nearly enough to get in the best players, let alone get 2 votes. What we think happened is that another first year player, Rod Saunders, wearing number 49 had an absolutely outstanding game and the umpires confused the two players with the high numbers and thought that it was the talk of the town, Saliba, who had played the outstanding game and gave him the 2 votes.
I, too, have heard the Ebert story, but I don't know the veracity.
Sproule 2 votes. Thinking to myself, I think he did not play the second half. Had a check. Off at the 18 minute mark of the second quarter,
Did not make the 6 best players named by the coach (who would with less than half a game?)
I wonder who was supposed to get the votes?
That reminds me of a game at Norwood in 1990. North thrashed Norwood and Darren Jarman got the 3 votes, (It was the day Darren pointed to the scoreboard to Andrew). Anyway at 3/4 time in the coverage the commentators mentioned that the rising star, Adam Saliba (number 43) had only had 2 touches. He had a few in the last quarter, but not nearly enough to get in the best players, let alone get 2 votes. What we think happened is that another first year player, Rod Saunders, wearing number 49 had an absolutely outstanding game and the umpires confused the two players with the high numbers and thought that it was the talk of the town, Saliba, who had played the outstanding game and gave him the 2 votes.
I, too, have heard the Ebert story, but I don't know the veracity.
- Tue Sep 12, 2023 10:29 pm
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Re: CDFC 2023
another grub wrote:How old is Pres? He looks just about cooked
He certainly didn't look cooked in the second last game of the year at Prospect, 7 Coaches votes. Given that Grant got the maximum 10, it meant that one coach rated him second best on ground, the other coach third best,
- Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:47 pm
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Re: 2023 Grand Final, Glenelg v Sturt
whybother wrote:North? Morals?
A lot of people thought that NOrth were Morals last year, just as they thought Glenelg were in 2021 and Norwood in 2018. The Morals don't always win.
- Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:04 pm
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Re: INS and OUTS for 2024
Luke Habel, Justin Hoskin and Dylan Weaver all have officially retired. All great club men, and fantastic blokes.
Luke Habel is hands down one of the most genuinely nicest blokes I have ever met in SANFL footy.
Early in the COVID period each club sought to raise funds to keep afloat via the Australian Sports Foundation. At the time a list of donors for each club was displayed and Luke Habel had donated to every SANFL league club. I have never met the man, but what a wonderful gesture and also how much the SANFL meant to him.
Luke Habel is hands down one of the most genuinely nicest blokes I have ever met in SANFL footy.
Early in the COVID period each club sought to raise funds to keep afloat via the Australian Sports Foundation. At the time a list of donors for each club was displayed and Luke Habel had donated to every SANFL league club. I have never met the man, but what a wonderful gesture and also how much the SANFL meant to him.
- Fri Sep 22, 2023 2:56 pm
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Re: 2023 Grand Final, Glenelg v Sturt
Was expecting a bigger crowd but the atmosphere was ok. It was a scrappy game, we didn’t really give them a sniff of winning all game which hurts the atmosphere a bit. I think since covid GF crowds have been down, what was last years? Might not see 40k again now.
I was wondering the same thing about the crowds as to whether they just haven't come back since COVID.
Last year's crowd was 27,459 but remember it was shocking weather which must have kept a lot of people away. Today was the first real test as to whether crowds have come back after Covid.
North vs Norwood in 2018 was 40,355, Glenelg vs Port in 2019 was 39,105, Sturt vs Port in 2017 was 39,813 and Port vs Norwood in 2014, 38,444.
I was expecting 40,000 today. Would have the warm weather kept some people away?
Even though the winning margin was 24 points, as a neutral I never thought Sturt were a threat. It felt like an 8 goal game and that would certainly have impacted the atmosphere.
I was wondering the same thing about the crowds as to whether they just haven't come back since COVID.
Last year's crowd was 27,459 but remember it was shocking weather which must have kept a lot of people away. Today was the first real test as to whether crowds have come back after Covid.
North vs Norwood in 2018 was 40,355, Glenelg vs Port in 2019 was 39,105, Sturt vs Port in 2017 was 39,813 and Port vs Norwood in 2014, 38,444.
I was expecting 40,000 today. Would have the warm weather kept some people away?
Even though the winning margin was 24 points, as a neutral I never thought Sturt were a threat. It felt like an 8 goal game and that would certainly have impacted the atmosphere.
- Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:29 pm
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