Is that Former Central District Daniel Schell?
No Daniel has been a player at SW for a long time he then coached there B grade for 2 seasons before going and playing at eliz last season. Very good footy brain will be a very good senior coach, well done Ingle farm in giving this guy a chance will do well for the club. .

Just speaking to club officials, it sounds like a really good appointment. Looking forward to having Daniel lead the club to another successful season.

Get over it you lot - everyone else must be sick of it by now too.

It has happened in the past where when clubs lose their core group, they suffer for several years and getting out of that losing culture is hard. In recent times PNU, Kilburn, Para Hills, Eastern Park, Ingle Farm are just a few clubs who have dropped very quickly through the grades till they found their true positions and were able to stabilise before climbing again.

With no juniors ready for another 4-5 years at least, unless BL spend a LOT of money and get their 15 points worth in absolute cream players, the road will be very long for them, and with so many clubs around the area, may come to a dead end. With less success on the field this year, one can't see the clubrooms being chock full on a Saturday night (nor after training for that matter), hence income probably down, yet with the same overall running costs.......that positive bank balance they now have may diminish rather quickly.

BL have made a club decision, but I think this is in the best interests of Division 3 as well. Belting BL by 30 goals proves no reflection on how good a team is, and can be very misleading. If there happened to be another weak side or two in D3, it would make it a VERY lopsided division. Furthermore, at D3 level, does the SAAFL want B grade sides forfeiting?

If BL were forced to stay in D3, their demise would be a lot harsher than going down to D4, purely by the size of and numbers of beltings. This gives the kids nothing to aspire to & the club would probably lose a heap. IMO It will probably take BL until D6 again to stabilise, therefore they will probably have a decent year or two just prior to the kids being ready. That's when they will strengthen up again.

This really is a kick in the guts to BL, losing so many players at once. Whilst I have no affinity with the club, having seen the disappearance down the grades by so many clubs, it shouldn't be made to happen. The right decision by BL & the SAAFL has been made, let's just hope BL can survive and we don't see another well established club folding. Kudos also to Mitcham for accepting the challenge of staying up.

Bombers4EVA wrote:But isn't Mitchell Park looking at going to 1 team this year? Where did they finish last year? I thought Rosewater would be given the option to go up as they finished third.

Oh dear.........the new boy will have to learn the forum's sarcasm

still all propaganda... help me add to the facts.... :D

at henley...
big ins: johncock, plus a couple of long term injuries last year hopefully are back in geddes & fairclough (jake)
big outs: cullen, frewen (retired), dart is a loss but not a massive loss

the rest of the ins at henley on clearances who knows i not involved, they could be nuff nuffs, or ex league. the rest of the outs are B-C graders

at goodwood..
ins: tuck & kells are in but does that make them the supreme favourite??

at uni
gill is in for a few matches woop doop. is the ex afl bloke from last year still there?

at ttg....
ive seen this so i will hold their chances much much higher....
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/tea-tree-gully-football-club-set-for-big-season-with-three-recruits-and-new-coach/story-fnii00l5-1226840406275

at ROCS...
# has the medalist left??

at SPOCS...
# yes roberts is a massive chunk out of their engine room

at Gaza...
# so their stars are back, but who are they?? name them as to why theyre now a contender again

salisbury nth...
on their clearances: who are the big ins & outs? i not familiar with the names

the 2 port teams well who knows

can people add to their knwledge of the big ins & outs around the joint (name them)

Will Nick Gill play "a" grade or will he just a kick with a couple of his mates in the "b"grade?

If he was at Henley no doubt he'd be playing D's.

Get rid of match payments all together. Maybe the government may have to bring in a Amatuer League Football Payment Tax for players getting paid to play "Social" football. That's what the Amatuer League isn't it??

Amateur football died in the late 70's & 80's with the then SAFA competition. Then in the mid 90's the SAAFL endorsed players being paid by having the two divisions, P1 & A1 from memory.

There are some clubs out there who refuse to pay players, and that is their choice, BUT, in this day & age, those clubs will not progress unless they have outstanding numbers to choose from, ie prestige Old Scholars and boom suburbs such as Golden Grove. It is simple economics, supply & demand. If there is a strong supply, there is no demand to go seeking. If there is no ready supply, for clubs to progress there is a demand for good players & if a club IS in that situation, dollars will become involved. Whilst I admire their morals in a way, in another way I think it's selfish. The people who are making these decisions are making moralistic calls on what they see fit at the current time and possibly not considering what their decisions will reflect in the future, prime example being Kilburn. They have stated money is not the issue, but to have gone from heaven to hell in the space of 2 years, reeks of some bad decisions being made. The way it it sounding, Kilburn are going to be struggling to be in existence next season.

There are other issues too, ie the nature of the local residents. Kilburn being the example again - they really are up against it with such a multicultural populace, surrounded by an industrial area - there are not many locals to draw from.

As has been mentioned, the lifestyle of today's kids has changed. In olden times when we played for the passion, kids couldn't wait to get home from school, get changed into their favourite teams gear, hop on their bikes and go down the local park to kick a ball around till dinner time, do some homework, maybe watch an hour of TV before bed at a reasonable hour. It was a highlight of our life when we got a new footy or new boots. As we grew older it was all about cars, girls, beer and again........footy.

There are still a lot of real good kids out there who play outstanding football. What I saw of NEMJFA under 16's last year and a bit of under 18's this season, the standard is way better than what it was in my day. Sadly though, they are the minority.

Now most get home from school, raid the fridge, sit in front of a TV or computer screen, smoke, nip out behind the shed for the bong they think you don't know about, get pissed on a Friday night (or more often) with their other deadshit mates and think they have achieved something when they finish "Grand Turismo 5". As far as being in bed before midnight......good luck.

Again, I'll say it............F&%k the whole league as long as marbles gets his precious C Grade Super League - build a bridge FFS.

marbles, why wouldn't you want your C/D playing against A grade teams? I understand your point of getting flogged every second week by A grade sides, but if you are good enough to match it in that division then surely that is better for your club from a development point of view than playing in C grade divisions?

Wouldn't your B grade rather bring up a bloke whose conditioned to playing against A grade footballers (albeit a fair way down from your A grade) than a bloke whose been playing in a slower C grade comp against all C grade sides?

Because marbles' C-Grade team has nought to do with developing players, it is all about winning the easiest premiership possible.

Henley's C Grade is just a carrier for their D Grade

the 1st discussion brought great debate, and since has caused enhancements to the model


PROBLEM #1

"Clubs with C-Grade & D-Grade sides who have to play against A-Grade club are losing players rapidly, 4 Div 1 & 2 clubs in the last 14 months have forfeited their D-Grade sides" - TTG, Broadview, Flinders Park, SHOCS

# Next season faces a dilemma with the likeliness of these Div 7 C-Grade participants (Shocs, Smosh, Modbury, Flinders Parks and possibly henley) wanting to no longer playing agrade clubs and will be wanting to go to div 8. Here having their cgraders play cgraders only will means players will stick and wont be turned off from the game. clubs want to attract & keep players. a rising participation rate at any club is always the goal

# This means Div 7 next season may only have 5 teams - North Pines, Mitchell Park, Angle Vale, Flinders Uni & Adelaide Uni
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PROBLEM #2

# Clubs are on the brink having only 1 team and may not be capable of reforming a 2nd side next season. Kilburn, Mitchell Park, Flinders Uni, Wingfield, even Angle Vale?
(this problem, we will hold hope and believe theyll be fine next year)

PROBLEM #3
# Developing lower division A-Grade clubs are having premierships taken away from their club development, because C & D Grade sides are consistently winning grand finals in div 7. The 8 of the last 10 flags in the last 5 years have been won by thirds & fourths sides. These lower agrade clubs have missed out on glory halting their development & success

A SOLUTION

# 7 Pure A-Grade divisions...

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# Having byes moved into each division will cause an uproar by individuals. but the league is bigger than one poor club who may have to take a week off once in a while

# Having byes like this also offers opportunities to invite new fully established clubs to the SAAFL and allow them to fill the Div 3 bye. For example Brighton may consider the Div 3 invitation, where theres no way in the world it would join a vacancy in Div 7. MArion could join Div 4, or Morphettville or Blackwood etc. By 2016 these byes could be filled.

# The Super C-Grade divisions will see participation rates back to where they should be or even better - BECAUSE boys who just want a kick and catch in the C-Grade wont be turned off by having to get smashed by some supreme a-grader - it will be C-Grader vs C-Grader only and that is highly appetizing for a c-grader

# essentially the only consequence to most a-grade clubs is that theyll have to take a week off twice a year.

# also some clubs may go down a division. but maybe in the following season, the league could declare that 3 sides will be promoted & relegated just to return a clubs to their true standing across the divisions for the following 2016 season.

# a runner up in this years grand finals will not be able to be promoted, and the premier will be gifted a chance in the higher div

# please see the solution chart to see how many teams in each div needs to be relegated.

The league is also bigger than one club who above all others is insistent on having their own little competition. Or are Henley the Collingwood of the SAAFL. Get over it and let the league handle it as they have for the past x number of years.

Phantom Gossiper wrote:

marbles wrote:frikken goodwood sandbaggers!

Wouldn't have happened if marbles super C grade was around back then lol

FFS PG, now we have to go through another 3 weeks of irrelevant bullsh*t............

Could be a quiet day at Lockleys this Saturday. With the C's meant to be playing Hectorville and the A's & B's playing Angle Vale and all those sides forfeiting last weekend, it doesn't look good for our home triple-header.
Same with Ingle Farm on weekend...
A Grade forfeit against Angle Vale
B Grade forfeit against Angle Vale
C Grade forfeit against Hectorville
U18 forfeit against Smithfield

Not a great weekend. Hopefuly your boys get a game this weekend!

Must have been a massive pain in the arse re bar/canteen takings. At least you didn't miss out on A Grade home games I guess.

EDIT (I'm not without sympathy to the plight of Angle Vale it's just that well organised clubs will budget for those takings and the unforeseeable missing of games can impact the bottom line)

Sadly the loss of income doesn't only equate to home clubs, we would normally have 100+ people at presentation & still 30 there at 10:00pm, the club wasn't even open Saturday night......

Or, more simply, promotion/relegation for C grade clubs between D7 & D8.

how is that responding to smosh, shocs, flinders parks, modbury and possibly henley all wanting to be in div 8?

how does your pretty fix attend to these requests, your solving nothing mate

div 7 is facing having only 5 sides next year! - your fix is - oh 2 up 2 down - wtf!

I suggest we let marbles have his oopti ******* doop super C Grade, and then see what the opposition think when Henley still roll out their 3rd best side as their D's.

marbles wrote:

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That is your best post for a long long time marbles. Probably look even better without the lion though.

Has anyone got the Reserves invitees?

Wouldn't COMMON SENSE prevail and Ingle Farm host a triple header?? just seems logical, but then again COMMON SENSE and Amateur Leauge in one sentence just doesn't seem right, Amatuer in true sense of the meaning.....

Regardless of what we would like old fullback , West Croydon earned the right for their B's to be with their A's (and hence our B's playing away). If either our A's or B's were good enough recently, we would be together and playing a triple header. It's our own doing, NOT a lack of common sense by the League at all.

i hope this week u realise that once a player plays in the higher div, throughout the major round, he is no by permitted to return back to the lower division

meaning once you play A's in the finals, by no way can you return to the bgrade

Incorrect

panthers wrote:

Footy Chick wrote:Q. wins the D7 medal! ties with Ian bellman!

Does that mean joint winners FC ?

Pretty quick on the uptake out at Smiffies.........

Robb_Stark wrote:im sure someone from ingle farm will post sooner or later ................news as juicy as this its like watching a short film action packed full of drama

And nobody's business but those involved. Nobody from the IFFC will be posting anything.

Sherrins are horrible these days very pointy and float hell of a lot. Dont think burleys are much better are they? Never played with a burley though.

Burleys lose their shape a lot earlier than Sherrins. Their yellow balls bloat and become very hard if they have seen any midwinter work and when they are very new they can float a lot. Kick a Sherrin in for half a game and they are lovely.

How does the points system work in the SAAFL for clubs that do not have junior grades or feeder schools?
What are clubs like Adelaide University, Central United, Flinders University, Greenacres, Houghton Districts, Mawson Lakes, North Pines, Smithfield & Wingfield Royals going to be able to do as their current groups retire off?
The clubs with juniors and the old scholars bloc are pretty obvious, but what rules are in place for the University clubs. Do the other clubs with no juniors have to rely on a minimum of recruits and then newbies?

Hopefully some of them do everyone a favour & fold

Dogwatcher wrote:they've got internet down there, don't they?

Just got dial-up

Robb_Stark wrote:

bloke wrote:

Footy Chick wrote:

holdy2323 wrote:Marc Cox to para hills AGAIN

Give it a rest, it's only November...

Have heard on the grape vine Rosewater will have his services next year......

i was at the local barber at Mawson Lakes and they are saying he is playing at mawson lakes

You are all probably correct..........

there really was only 1 who played c grade all year that was A grade quality and that was Clegg. O'Gorman played c's as it was his first attempts at playing after serious knee surgery. Reid is a near on 50yo who, once injured, decided to play the last qtr of the yr with his fellow 50yo mates because they all prob will retire. And nisbet played C's because McCammon was the A grade ruckman and Santos was the B grade ruckman.

Clegg wanted to play with his best mate Nisbet. We'd much rather them play together in the C's rather than leaving altogether.

any other stupid questions?

What a load of bullshit. The whole world knows your side was STACKED in the last 6 weeks or so....

norm11 wrote:Mitchell park by 10 goal.

Mitchell Park could go out with 40 players and still be flogged by 20 goals

n.lynch to para hills haha

Lynchy is a great guy & provided good years of service to the club as well as being a premiership vice captain. He was upfront & honest with his requests to go back to his old club to play for what is sadly, possibly the last season at Para Hills for an unwell friend.

I can see how you'd find that funny... :roll:

Because as is quite often the case, marbles shoots his mouth off without knowing the facts. As has been proven on here for a long while, the bloke is a deadset tool.

And there in a heartbeat goes marbles' brilliant idea of a super C/D Grade competition, which right from the get go was a dead set stupid ******* idea, as the whole world knows, but marbles.

Now that Henley haven't got the fortitude to field a genuine D Grade side for the reason that D7 Res is there for - maybe the competition can get some credibility in that grade.

Suck shit marbles & Henley - very few people on here will give a toss about your dilemma - your club made their own bed at the expense of other genuine efforts - now you can go root yourselves.

bubba love wrote:And perhaps you should be worried about making them

Not much point in making them if one can't win them

Robb_Stark wrote:2016 Ladder after normal round

1.West Croydon
2.Houghton
3.Trinity
4.Woodville South
5.Ingle Farm

6.Brahma Lodge
7.Adelaide Lutheran
8.Mitchell Park
9.Fitzory
10.Mawson Lakes

Dreaming............

disappointed to hear that para hills are struggling for numbers, always seemed to have big crowds at home and I think the even had 3 teams last season?

All very quiet from other clubs, feb 1 will be very interesting!

Sadly this has been the norm at Para Hills over a decade or two, the club has had nice success at the Div 5 and 4 levels, but after a year or so at Div 3, the slide started mainly due to 3 or 4 key players moving on. Unfortunately for the club it appears to have started a year earlier this time.

Don't get me wrong. they have always been and are a fantastic club, a club I was more than happy to help in small ways for many years from 1990, BUT, as much as they are a vital club in the Div 4/5 mix, they are not set up to cope with a Div 3/2 scenario. Nothing to do with the people, ever since the Beers came on board in the 70s or 80s there has been a fantastic support crew at The Paddocks (all except for 2 years where the Chairman clandestinely wanted to merge with another local northern club). However, going up those levels now would prove more than just financially beyond clubs the size of Para Hills.

What it does show is that Para Hills is one of many clubs who will go through the travels of being a division 3 or 4 or 5 competitor whilst still being honest and respectable about how they go about it, yet the dreams of going/staying/succeeding up higher are just that. As much as they may struggle this year, one can bet his balls they will be back . They will lose groups of players from time to time, but as the cycle goes they will recruit players 'en masse' and have their two or three good years again, not far down the track.

The lads who have gone to or back to Ingle Farm, I am very proud of.......they have all done it for the right reasons. The Farm has a very special group of people who welcome & engross anyone who will bleed for the Bulldog, sadly, that feeling for the Big Red Roo diminished about 15 years ago. IFFC is also way better set up for juniors, family and the transition from junior to senior football than Para Hills.

I love Para Hills FC, and feel they just need to hang tight for a year or two as they have done several times in the past, things will fall back into place.

carey wrote:

Footy Chick wrote:

Zartan has a bigger rack than that....

and a smaller penis.........

Call it what they like, Thebby will always be Thebby the same way Footy Park was always Footy Park

B-Train35 wrote:North Pines heading to the Riverland Saturday to play Ramco,should be interesting.

Quality......... surely worth the trip

Bluedemon wrote:i see north pines lost points due to APPS

I am still completely dumbfounded as to why some statutory body has invested millions into that shithole club. They have NEVER got anything right.

Now days? Would have thought this sort of thinking is stuck in 1963....

My parents weren't even born in 1963...


You could make a case to have your Reserves coach advertised at the end of every season but some clubs require all coaches to go thorough this process. I see it as poor Governance when you have volunteer Directors continually reviewing the performance of the coaching staff when they could be focusing on more important matters for the club

All it would require is a vote at a Special General Meeting and it would be done and dusted in 5 minutes.

Exactly.

Constitutions can be overruled, amended and abolished, subject to the will of the majority.
It would be interesting to see if it IS actually in the constitution. Most footy clubs in the past have used a 'generic constitution' & it is common belief that the coaching advertising is in the said constitution - but it's not!

FFS, at this level if you have half a brain and half know how to read the game you can be an absolute porker and succeed. People have been doing it for decades.

Milly wrote:So now the league is stopping people from getting a clearance out of that environment because the club might be gutted? How about all resgistred players names just get put in a barrel and the league tells you we're your playing?

I often laugh at what going to a private school can do for one.

Footy Chick wrote:Sorry, there's no way Morgs is that annoying.

Every time I see that Sheldon guy I want to punch him in the face

Funny about that, I get all stirred up whenever I see Penny

Half Back Flanker wrote:North Pines seriously struggling..........great getting a forfeit at 3:30pm on a Friday afternoon

I've said it before & I'll say it again......SHIT CLUB

BIIIIIIIIG upset in the city today......

Mitchell Park had our Black Tie Ball on Saturday night – great night! The best bit was…

Our President, Shane Lynch, announced that our Senior Coach, Wayne Knowles, and the club have come to an early agreement to honour the second year of the coaching contract and continue on together in 2018. The response from everyone attending the function speaks volumes to the popularity of not only the news that we have finally managed to have a coach stay for more than one year (for the first time since Wayne Wyld) but also the job that Wayne has done with us in his short time.

Many of us know Wayne as he has coached at this level for a long time (one of the biggest reasons we recruited him) but I think he quickly realised that Mitchell Park is a bit different. In good ways and bad. His ability to build relationships with all stakeholders (players, supporters and committee) and turn that into a real buy in has been outstanding. Wayne has integrated in perfectly with the club and has identified numerous opportunities to provide us with sustainability, cultural change and ultimately on field success.

Still a lot of work to do, years of it in fact, but I think we have the off field team to deliver it.
Did the same thing at Ingle Farm a few years ago, hence laid the foundation for the stability and credibility they now have,

The bar turns over about $220k a year, if not more and *just* breaks even. When I looked at the MYOB database I calculated that football provides, conservatively, about 65% of that revenue. Approx 50% goes in employee costs - wages, insurance, annual leave, super etc. My very strong position is that for 6 months of the year during footy season that bar should be run using volunteers of the football club and the profits after costs of sales returned to the football club.

I'll do the math: (220*0.65)*0.5=71.5

What number have you tried to calculate?
Are you saying $71,500 would be the profit if the footy club ran the bar using volunteers?
Need to also look at utility costs

You mention that the turn over is $220k pa, Footy club generate about 65%, if 50% goes on employee costs once you take into the cost of the stock you sell you are in a loss situation.

Calculation should be more like turnover of $220k at 100% mark up = $110k profit as your starting point not $220k

100% mark up, AND the rest. If your bar products are costing half your turnover, you are buying in the wrong places.