quite clearly rubbish - just one of those things that has been adapted from an american bullshit email

84 arrested for drink driving? there are only 224 parliamentarians including the senate, so a third of all members have been arrested in the last year for drink driving, and an email is where we hear about it first?

I think you are on the wrong forum ... truth does not belong here 8)
I thought the 535 MPs sounded high, but I haven't been paying much attention to the detail of federal politics in the last few years as I've been disillusioned with them all...

Thanks for the numbers update benny. I should have checked it out myself, but was a bit pre-occupied with other issues at the time.

dedja wrote:Unfortunately times have changed ... at least 3 clubs would basically go broke overnight.

Plus we'd have to dump the annual Norwood are Cheats thread.

Yes, lets prolong it's appearing after each Norwood premiership for as many years as possible!

didn't know where to put this

but for anyone who hates it and may have forgotten about it

its Halloween
I hadn't thought about it.
Halloween has not been part of Australian culture, until recently when the big shopping interests decided they needed another thing to promote sales as Mother's Day, Father's Day, et cetera, were not generating enough spending.

I have no problem with the traditional Scottish form, but, of course, it is the US style commercialised beyond recognition form that we got.
They'll probably try to get us into "Thanksgiving" celebrations in the next few years... ;)

Map shop still there too.
A few of my mates own Chihuahua Bar.
I'm sure it's a very nice place - but can you ask your friends why they decided to name their restaurant after the worlds most annoying dog? :lol:
Here you go, FC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chihuahua_(state)
The state has long been famous for being responsible for the "worlds most annoying dog"...
(If you are one of those people who regard toy breeds as being dogs rather than a form of rat.)

Abbott's redirection of PPL into childcare rebates may well be his best policy decision yet.
True!
Certainly a more popular one, although I am personally of the view that those who choose to have children should plan to pay for the immediate and short-term costs of their decision themselves - whether it be parental leave or child care.

However, the community should provide essential health care and education to all.

Well he is right (though he probably didn't know why) - the zinc coating acts as a sacrificial anode, meaning oxidation will preferentially target the zinc instead of the iron, and so drilling or small scratches won't be an issue, as long as it doesn't get wet.
Yes the bigger holes and cut sections are more of a concern, though personally I'd want to be a little more certain there were none of those left not touched up if I were building again.

The last time I built a house I caught the builders setting up to put the bathroom in a corner diagonally opposite where it was supposed to go, and of course they left the wooden floorboards for the upper storey out to get wet and warped despite the fact I'd put a large shed with a concrete floor up first so they didn't need to do that.

Then they tried to tell me they'd just sand them down and it would be no problem.
To quote the architect I called in, "There would be no tongue and groove left by the time they were flat!"

We're in a better place than most countries. Cutting aid by this much is embarrassing on the world stage.
Share the wealth and in the end all be equally poor in an overpopulated world gradually exhausting its resources, particularly water and food, as we can already see happening.

A nice ideal, but in the end self-preservation has a place if all can't be saved - and I think we passed the point where all could be saved decades ago. Once we have done what is needed to dig ourselves out of the present debt prison, we can look again at what we can do to help mitigate the suffering elsewhere, but it is limited, a mitigation not a cure. Anybody who has ever watched a bacterial colony grow expand and collapse, as the resources in the Petri dish run out, knows how a closed environment works.

Still don't really get the fascination with getting back to surplus. Most of us here would have a mortgage , I don't all of a sudden decide I want to pay it off in a year and slash and burn to do it. It was a political choice made by the government whilst in opposition but it's not really helpful. Of course we don't want it to get out of control but my opinion is that it never was out of control, even though plenty of scare mongerers would have liked it to be, including joe hockey and his "budget emergency" which magically disappeared when they got into government.

Fact is we are very much beholden to external factors such as commodity prices and that is a much much bigger driver than trying to cut spending as the government is now finding out
There is a difference.

With your mortgage, you are not allowed under current federal legislation to be lent more than your income indicates you can afford to repay without further borrowing or without taking into account your every day living expenses. You also have a saleable asset which in a crisis you can sell to clear the debt.

The government debts in both SA and the federal environment are more than we can repay within our income and we are borrowing more all the time to fund the interest payments. So the debt keeps growing over time rather than diminishing like your mortgage. We also don't have an acquired saleable asset from this borrowing that can be expected to raise enough to pay off the debt in an emergency, and so we have in the past been forced to sell other assets to clear unaffordable debt. Now we have a bigger problem as we have been through this cycle several times and most of our other saleable assets have already been sold to clear up past episodes of excessive debt.

Get it?

If you want to make a comparison, Greece did nothing to fix tax evasion.

And neither are we.
Tax evasion is not an easy problem to solve. Nor is a fair taxation system easy to develop.

The GST is one that corporations have some difficulty dodging on the revenue side, but independent tradies don't, because they can decide to only work for cash as many up here do. However, an increased GST gets those cash workers when they spend at least, but an increased GST rate would come down more heavily on the everyday person. By contrast, income tax and turnover tax is something corporations can duck by distributing income between their subsidiaries here and overseas and choosing in which section to declare the profits - at their manufacturing site in, say, Thailand, their sales point, say, here , and their shipping line based in, for example, the Caymans or Liberia, but higher income tax levels may hit the middle wage earner harder.

I'd personally favour and income tax with a higher tax free threshold and a steeper rise at the very high end, but that is difficult to balnce correctly too. In principal a super-tax on incomes over $300,000 per annum and a super-super-tax on those on 7 figure salaries and bonuses may look good, but I'm sure there would be holes in any plan to do that too.

We also don't want to tax big businesses so much it encourages them to leave the country entirely.

And I recall the time when Paul Keating had a shot at stopping negative gearing on rental properties and had to back down when a shortage of rental properties developed and rents rose rapidly.

SO were do we go??

Certainly not to spending the money anyway and gambling on it all working out, and/or to relying on finding a magic way to raise more revenue preferably from "them" not "us".

It's as much a geopolitical problem - as you have pointed out, we would in all likelihood turn away hundreds of thousands of people to protect ourselves, so what do those people do?
Good question - and a question for every species on the planet -I started thinking about it in the 1970s.
We are the only ones we are sure can think about the question, and mostly we try not to....

That is easier when we are keeping ourselves busy, which I'm not on Christmas Day usually, but I'll have to stop thinking soon to go out to have dinner at the home of some Lebanese friends. I'll also be occupied and distracted New Years eve and NY day, and I'm off to Noosa and Brisbane for 9 days in early January with a friend. By then things should be back to normal... ;)

I think you are right, Adelaide's greatest assest can sometimes be its downfall aswell.
Its a great small city to live in but the setbacks as a small population are that we are a bit of a backwater.
Would love more restaurants to be open at all hours but we just dont have the patronage to support the costs of running a business at those hours.
Still a pretty decent place to live at the end of the day
That's why I came back here to live in 2009, after my wife's death, rather the take up the other option I considered - staying in Melbourne and buying a unit in Southbank.

I still believe I made the right choice: New Years eve with friends in the theatre and journalism world in Unley Park, an old schoolmate's birthday party at his house on the beach-front at Grange on the 1st, and off to Noosa and Brissy for 9 days with a new (female) friend from the theatre set, and back in time for dinner with my group of lawyer mates a few days after my return, at a CBD restaurant.

It's great to be able to get to any area so easily.
However, I could do with a couple of nights of hitting the sack before 1am sometime soon...

I'm with Q on this one.

Hicks may have been mislead or deluded, but at the time he was not involved in fighting Australians, and where Australia was not already involved in a particular struggle as an ally of the US there was also no reason an Australian could not also choose to fight against US forces. An Australian fighting Australian forces is perhaps a different matter, although I could imagine circumstances where one's conscience may make it seem the right thing to do if Australia were acting illegally or despicably.

As I argued to Alexander Downer at the time, it was inappropriate to allow any foreign power to hold an Australian citizen without trial and proper representation and without his rights being protected, under any circumstances, but particularly when he had broken no Australian law or International law existent at the time, nor committed any offence on US soil where US law may apply.

I agree too that he had to plead guilty as it was his only hope of ever being released - a plea under great duress.

Something I really rate - free accommodation in France and other parts of Europe!

The new lady friend has worked in TV in SA and Sydney as a producer, and through that has BBC connections, one of whom owns a Chateau in the Loire Valley which is run as an upmarket hotel. We've been invited to come and stay for a few weeks as his guest during the off peak season in time for a local medieval festival.

She's also teed up a free stay in Spain following that, and her sister owns several houses in London and we can stay in one of them after Spain.

(And I really rate the new lady even without the bonuses above.)

GWW wrote:ALP probably glad he's making up ground now, as they'd much rather have him as leader in lead up to next election, than Turnbull or Bishop.

They are probably trying to help Tony retain his position at the moment...

Anyone ever used a "night guard" before, as recommended by their dentist?

Theyre apparently just over $500, I'd get just under half back through my private health.

Just not sure if I should actually get one, due to possible discomfort when trying to sleep (in saying that, I sometimes wake up in the morning with slightly sore teeth, and a feeling Ive probably been clenching them when Im asleep, so I may have just answered my own question).
I've used one since about 1990 after paying a small fortune to get my ground down teeth capped.
I wish I'd used one before all that expense was generated.

If they fit well there is no discomfort, and they can be easily adjusted by having a little ground of with a dentist's drill - or a Dremel which I've dome myself once or twice when I was too busy to go to the Dentist!

I've had several made by my dentists over the years and they've cost between $80 and $200 - the latter being most recent and made in 2010 by a Dentist on Kensington Rd. I'd suggest you check the cost with a few Dentists - what they charge varies a lot. The sore teeth in the morning indicates your teeth are being ground down and the enamel ground off exposing the dentine. This can become very expensive when it gets more advanced.

In the meantime coat the teeth with Pronamel tooth paste on rising - it helps a lot.

Based on my experience in my medical life including a short time working in the Psych unit that was once attached to Yatala Prison, I am a bit cynical about "rehabilitated". I suspect that if these guys were released their rehabilitation would have evaporated, and they would be back dealing or smuggling, within 3 months.

I'm not generally for the death penalty, but each country has to weigh that moral issue against the high cost of running humane and secure prisons.

Just saw this one:

"At the season launch Eddie McGuire said the Pies could snatch a flag this year. So if you own any flags, be careful."
I gather they are snatching for members too.

Collingwood Membership application.jpg

I guess it could work for the Power reserves and Central Districts too. ;)

Done a few days ago.

Ouch...and you lived to tell the tale.
Theres so many more wasps around this year than there ever used to be I reckon...
It got caught in a fold in my shirt sleeve when I moved my arm and lashed out - 3 minor pricks and one full stab all in the same location.
Result: a lump on my arm the size of an egg, and feeling a bit woozy and having a nagging headache for a few days.
Perhaps my survival was a miracle?! :lol:

Booney wrote:Driving past my childhood home in Brooklyn Park only to find it has been skittled....the block is currently bare dirt.

Yeah - my childhood home in Drayton St, Bowden, is now a parking bay facing into 13th Street.

My marriage is great and everyone is happy, what else should i ask for?

As i mentioned, divorce rates were well below current day statistics even 20 years ago, let alone in the 50s. So what has changed? And if my marriage lasts with all parties being happy, then what is wrong with it?!?
Interestingly, after looking at statistics my assumptions were wrong and divorce rates 20 years ago were actually on par with current day statistics (approx 48000 nationally). However 50 years ago, in 1964, there were just over 10000 nationally for the year.

So yeah, take my marriage from 50 years ago when there were distinct roles that men and women played and everyone was happy with that. And if that upsets you then you can deal with that because we are all good at my house.
You have to adjust for the fact that decent jobs were hard to get for women back then and leaving an unhappy marriage was therefore more difficult.
There was more socio-religious pressure to stay in marriage regardless then too.

I rather like the new woman in my life who is quite assertive and prepared to be independent, and whom I can relate on a basis of equality and non-dependency.

I read`a report somewhere that suggested she had paid extra to cover interest.
I agree it is poor form no matter who from any party does it.

It's completely beside he point. If i, as a public servant, did the same thing, it wouldn't matter if I paid it back I would be out on my arse.
Exactly....the real world calls it fraud.
Don't get me wrong I'm sure pollies from both sides push the envelope.But what stings most is she's the worst speaker in history and her party tells us to pull our heads in?
I agree entirely.
I was just adding that information in my previous post, not excusing her.

Elections. What the f#@% is the point anymore! To elect the party that governs.
I reckon a high percentage of people vote for the person, not the party.
You're not a legitimate Prime Minister until you've won an election.
A high percentage of people seem to imagine they are voting for a party or the current party leader, but technically you vote to elect your local member only.
That's why a representative can quit the party and still remain the elected representative for the electorate.

In our non-Presidential system, the vote is never intended to determine who will be (or remain) the party leader.
You are legitimate Prime Minister if the members of the ruling party elect you as their leader at some time.

PS: I am hopeful that Malcolm Turnbull will stay PM and that he will bring the party back to the middle ground where a fair balance will be struck between financial responsibility and the financial burden of paying for the ALP financial profligacy.

In my view the first Abbott/Hockey budget failed because it was too much too soon and did not distribute the costs of its aims fairly. That clumsiness of the Libs first budget meant it was largely blocked and then backed away from because of the furor. So, it achieved no real change to the growth of the deficit already set up to happen before the ALP lost power. By then the Libs were scared by the reaction and went back to trying to regain popularity with a much softer financial policy a la the ALP. (And in extreme form by successive Greek governments.)

A more humane and realistic plan to contain the growing deficit that involved hitting the big end of town (and our pollies) harder than the poorer members of the population may have been accepted and had more success by now. (I did suggest to the Liberal Party hierarchy that a salary sacrifice by the Liberal pollies to show sincerity may have been a good move.)

Myself, in a mildly awkward situation.

I've been a declared Republican since 1966, when Bob Menzies tried to call our new decimal coinage the "Royal". But with my new lady friend being in the Theatre world I've found myself for the second time in a few weeks lined up to play host to the state Governor as her escort at opening nights - and we have the Adelaide Mayor coming up in another week too.

Not exactly a duty I'd normally volunteer for in either case, but I guess I can cope with making polite conversation again, and not mention the Republic...

I have no issue with bike lanes, I have issue with cyclists who ride outside them and hold up the natural flow of traffic

Tell me, if you are driving out in the country, and you become "inconvenienced" on the road by a slow moving piece of farm machinery.... do you toot your horn when you go past.... do you yell abuse.... do you "run it off the road"....... these things all happen to cyclists.... but Farmer Brown in his old tractor.... that's acceptable?!?

Like all road users (drivers, cyclists, pedestrians) there are idiots among them...so don't pigeon hole all cyclists as idiots... there is a percentage for sure.

I ride & drive a car... I see both sides!

Farmer Brown usually moves over on to the verge and lets you pass...

Me - I have to laugh (as a declared Republican since 1966) at the fact that I'll be attending the state Governor's garden party next week.
Things we men do for our girlfriends - I'm going as her escort because she is on the list...

Psyber the gigilo....really does roll off the tongue
The word is Gigolo, but this is an unpaid service - you can't change your regular girlfriend - that would be impolite. ;)

So, I'll go with these definitions - particularly 3. :

noun
1. a group of persons, or a single person, accompanying another or others for protection, guidance, or courtesy:
An escort of sailors accompanied the queen.

2. an armed guard, as a body of soldiers or ships:
The president travelled with a large escort of motorcycle police.

3. a man or boy who accompanies a woman or girl in public, as to a social event.

4.protection, safeguard, or guidance on a journey:

verb (used with object)
5. to attend or accompany as an escort.

Every club would have players on the gear why would Port be any different?
Not disputing that. Poor form by a player recently retired to say it openly. Some of his mates won't be thrilled....on top of his retirement process.
This would seem worse than a leaving player sending out an email
The best thing would be name and shame all detected recreational drug users in any form of public life.

I've spent enough time in clogged up public hospital EDs in several states recently seeing the effects (of even THC on the vulnerable) to conclude something needs to be done. I'd support compulsory detention for detox where really really destructive products like "Ice" are involved.

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Psyber wrote:This thread intrigues me because I've never been anywhere where the serving staff at the counter have appeared to be affected by drugs or alcohol...

Your butler would go in to the shops for you hey?

My girlfriend would tell you I'm too mingy to trust staff with my money...

Is it a ploy for women to continually leave personal items at a mans place?

Try leaving something laying around her place. You'll cop an earful if my experience is anything to go by.

LOL, I don't go there, she has a teenage son who never goes out, my house is empty one or two nights a week.

It's just a little uncanny that a purse, a handbag or clothes get left behind, I offer to drop them off during the day but get told not to worry about it.
Definitely a ploy, not a bad thing, she likes you [emoji6]
A common ploy in my experience - laying claim to territory - and an excuse to come back and/or slowly move in.
I always dropped the stuff off in on my way somewhere else, so I couldn't be asked to stay, and said with a smile, "You forgot these and I thought you might need them."

However, after 6 years of carefully preserved widower-hood, the latest has moved in (with my prior consent) recently...
We use her place in the inner south, near Cross Road, as a town house when we are too tired for the drive to mine.

Celebrity LOL.

celebrity
noun
a famous person, especially in entertainment or sport.
"he became a sporting celebrity"
The term 'celebrity' can't be taken seriously now that people like the Kardashians have appropriated it.

New definition: "Nonentity build up by media hype or self-hype to sell newspapers, magazines, and on-line subscriptions, etc."

Lightning McQueen wrote:

Psyber wrote:
New definition: "Nonentity build up by media hype or self-hype to sell newspapers, magazines, and on-line subscriptions, etc."

You said tit.

There is nothing wrong with tits...

I hope to hear you are on the road to recovery over the next several weeks Micky.
Just take the time it takes and don't let anyone try to rush you.
Some employers are good, and some will do anything to deny liability.

I don't know if he is still in practice, but one of the most effective lawyers in the field when I was doing assessments was Jim Mahony. Some of the Workcover bureaucracy were in those days more interested and making their statistics look good than making sure rehabilitation really happened too.

What was more interesting was that I took Martin Hamilton-Smith's sister along as my guest.
Jamie struggled a bit at the point of introduction but recovered and talked to her civilly.
May be she didn't have the piercing eyes that he seems to be so fond of.

She's also a little older than him...
So am I. :lol:
Hopefully not too old that you can't get up and start dancing on a marble table, though.
I reckon I could do that better than Jamie.
I may be older but I'm taller and a little slimmer...

In 2008 I had a choice...
I could sell my rather large Federation style house on 4 acres in Olinda and move to a good sized but smaller unit in Melbourne's Southbank, or I could live in the Adelaide hills with space in the house and around me.

Fresh air, koalas in my backyard, Kookaburras calling in the morning, 9 minutes to the Toll Gate, 16 to the CBD (so long as I avoid peak hour - which I can).
Glenelg half and hour away, Semaphore just under an hour, and all my old school and university friends and the pubs, restaurants, and coffee places we meet at relatively nearby.

What's to decide?

Perhaps Essendon should just stand down for a year, too, and save the money, embarrassment, and effort.

One good thing about T20 is that it makes the one day 50 over stuff look a bit more like the real thing...

One good thing about T20 is that it makes the one day 50 over stuff look a bit more like the real thing...
scoring 340 from 50 overs isnt that much different...
True. I said a "bit more".

So higher scores from less innings is a bad thing?
I find the bowling and fielding strategy, and sustained concentration required, more interesting than some swipe merchant lashing out at nearly every ball as if it is a baseball match.

The problem is there is just a massive stigma associated with radioactivity, because people just cite chernobyl every time.

But people fail to put it properly into context. Most of the waste is low grade medical waste, which is more akin to what is in your smoke detector than what is in a nuclear power plant.

Secondly, even the high level waste isnt that much different to other forms of pollution - Heavy metals for instance are incredibly toxic, but there is way less stigma associated with having a lead smelter next door than a nuclear power plant, even though it is likely much better to your health to live next to a nuclear power plant.

I do agree that we should name our price though - the world has a significant problem and if we are going to make ourselves part of the solution we should charge for that, but I see this as a huge economic opportunity for the state.

The will be some logistical issues that will need to be worked through though.

We are not talking, catching a cold here.
Getting over the flu in 4 weeks.
We are talking weapons of mass destruction...
Nuclear contamination is weapons of mass destruction...
That is why they don't store this stuff in the white house.... Wake up!!!

Don't give in to the usual out of date panic at the word "Nuclear".
Read the technical details...

The good side is other countries pay us large sums to store their "high-level" waste, which is an end product of their old out-of-date nuclear systems, but in the longer run that waste will be fuel for modern fast-breeder reactors (including the ones we build in time) that reduce it to much safer again storable by-product.
Then we sell the "waste" they paid us to take back to them as "fuel" and charge them to store the lower level "waste" left over after it has been used again...

Very nice food and wine and good service at Chloe's Restaurant in College Park last night.
(All the more enjoyable because it didn't cost me a cent!)

Yes it is all pretty horrible watching someone waste and die over a long time. My wife died in 2008 after slowly wasting away for 4 years mostly tied to an Oxygen bottle. In her case it was lung damage from an antibiotic resistant bacterial pneumonia in caught in 2004.

I had a scare too. I was diagnosed by biopsy as having Prostate Cancer in 2010, and opted not to gamble on conservative treatments but to go for a Radical Prostatectomy - and checked with other Urologists and Radiologists I knew which colleague they would go to.

Fortunately, it appeared on pathological examination to be confined within the gland and I've gone nearly 6 years without any sign of secondary spread.
I still get a little anxious at annual testing time though...

So the party wouldnt endorse someone for pre-selection in an area?
Not the party..,
Individuals within it would/could, as candidates need to be nominated by another party member, and face a vote if there is more than one nominee.

For example back in about 1996 I was aware the state seat of Heysen was coming up as David Wotton was talking about retiring.
I was considering whether to stand and discussed it with Alexander Downer who agreed to nominate me.
We were aware the local Evans family also had a nominee in mind, so there would be a ballot of members which is the normal procedure.

However, I then discussed it with my wife who was totally opposed to becoming public property as the wife of an MP.
So, I decided I'd rather keep the wife and decided not to stand. Then we moved to Melbourne because of my adult stepdaughter's cancer, to support her.
A little later the Evans family nominated candidate won the nomination - Isobel Redmond.
(As I was interstate I don't know whether there were any other nominees which required a vote.)

I have, since I returned from Melbourne, discussed the fact that had things been different we may have been in competition for the seat with Isobel.

Interesting story.

I guess what I was asking was whether pre selection was mostly a formality due to the nomination of certain powerful people, or whether it really is open slather
Obviously, who nominates you carries not inconsiderable weight but it is not the only thing that counts.
That was why I discussed my interest in Heysen with Alexander at the time and got his backing - every edge counts.
However, any member can nominate any member as a candidate for a seat.

Also, several powerful figures may nominate several different candidates - there is no centralised power group that can make sure there is only one nominee.

Candidates then go through a media training programme and present themselves to local branches within the electorate.
So the members in those branches get to assess your potential as a performer (and whether they like you or not) before any vote.

Of course sometimes there is only one nominee which is not ideal, but not everyone wants to be a politician.
And some, like me, may be interested and get talked out of it.

(My wife made one telling argument: "You're too idealistic and you'll hate the compromises you have to make. That will make you Hell to live with!" )

Isn't there a "non invasive" prostate test now?
The PSA blood test is a rough guide and not very reliable - a basic screening test at most.

Ultrasounds confirmed the enlargement of the gland, but according to the PSA levels my Prostate enlargement should not have been malignant.

My Urologist however was concerned about the rapid rise my repeated PSA levels even though it had not yet risen to the level that makes cancer "probable".
So I got the finger, and when he thought the lower left region was more "rubbery ' in texture than it ought to be, we discussed options and I had a biopsy.
Only the biopsy found the cancer which was confirmed by the post-op pathology.

Is everything fine mate?

Yes...

As I said in my first post on the matter (a page back) the surgery was in May 2010 - and as the regular follow up PSA tests since then have detected absolutely no trace of Prostate Specific Antigen that implies there is no stray prostate tissue (as secondary deposits) in my body.
That's where the PSA is useful - if it doesn't find any at all you can relax.

It is very unlikely there will be any problem after 5 years, but I will be having an annual test for life though just to be sure.

This!
A just received picture of where we will be staying for a week in mid-April, as guests of the owners, in the Loire Valley...

Thinking of "party politics", and the whole thing, I have a problem voting for Jamie Briggs despite being a Liberal Party member.
I may have to check out the Xenophon candidate.

Just because he got caught up in the "lure of Asia"?
Isn't the first and wont be the last.
Rann did it at home!!!

Who knows who's sneaking home at 5am in Canberra
Actually, that incident was a fairly minor part of my concern - just final proof of the general insincerity I've observed over several years.
He is a bit too capital C conservative for my taste and a bit authoritarian in style - though he tries to suppress it when he thinks he needs to.

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Did the builders of Telstra dome/etihad use the builders of Jetstar for seating room......

I've long been convinced there is a breed of midget architect that specialises in designing theatre and aeroplane seats and suchlike.
All are too low and at least 40mm narrower than my shoulders.

Did the builders of Telstra dome/etihad use the builders of Jetstar for seating room......
I've long been convinced there is a breed of midget architect that specialises in designing theatre and aeroplane seats and suchlike.
All are too low and at least 40mm narrower than my shoulders.
Wouldn't have thought it would've bothered those in first class...
I've never even flown business class... :lol:
(However, I've piloted a Piper Cherokee and a glider - narrow seats there too!)

Seriously I'm not broke, but I don't waste money.
My recent trip to Europe was in economy, but I had stopovers to break the trip time each way.
That makes better economic sense to me.

I thought he had a private helicopter like all the good old Libs have !!
Like all good Libs I'm fiscally cautious and responsible, and not into throwing money around on transient and flashy displays of mythical status.
That's why when I needed to get myself a new car last Christmas I bought the Renault Megane RS 265 Cup instead of the Mercedes GLA-45 for twice the money... ;)
(PS: I'm considering voting the Nick Xenophon ticket this time.)