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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

This internal (return to league) transfer is one of the most stupid things I've heard of and is specific to BL&G. What happens when someone leaves a club on bad terms, leaves to another league, then wants to return to another club. Why would a league want to put restictions on the returning player (who would be classed as an import to the new club anyhow)?
Secondly, with all due respect to the player mentioned here, but a "hefty transfer fee" sounds a bit rich for this class.

Thirdly, with country leagues whinging about rising player payments and cost of running a club, why would the league have a rule that fosters transfer payments?

So you think it would be Ok for say Jay Nash, Scoott Dutschke or Brayden O'Hara to return to the highest bidder rather than give something back to their junior club that made them the players they are now. If they want to chase money do it in another league, their original clubs shouldnt have to compete against them.
Same with your average local player that a club develops, develop your own instead of poaching the neighbouring towns best player just because you have more money than them.

Brayden Oharas junior (grassroots) club is Meningie, so don't go trying to claim him as your own.
I reckon Gawler Central might have something to say about that!
by RooShootOhh
Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:24 pm
 
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Cheers everyone for the detailed analysis of our rumoured recruits. Now I can go to training tonight knowing more about them and that we may have improved on last season! :D

Also hearing whiskers (or whispers) that Whisky to Moonta may not end up happening and he will remain a Pecker. Time will tell.

How did training go MC? Did they live up to the analysis provided?

Even better Jumbo. Had 49 on the track, 27 fresh faces, all between 6'2 and 6'4 and can all run like the wind! ;)
You forgot to mention they are all playing for a beer and Snitzel after the game, nothing else, just want to get back to enjoying footy! ;) :lol:
by RooShootOhh
Thu Jan 09, 2014 9:47 am
 
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Re: Barossa & Light Cricket 2013/14.

The forum is based around what happens in this association on social media, so if something happens in a game and someone wants to know they ask, thats how social media works... and why this forum exists!

If they did something they dont want discussed on social media, maybe they shouldnt have done it in the first place...?

Im tipping Gilbert Valley in the A1's
by RooShootOhh
Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:38 am
 
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

If APFL play YPFL then have 2 games
17's followed by A grade.
Then North East can do the same against Nortern Areas somewhere else
And have 17's followed by A grade.
Then the 2 A grade winners of each game play off the following year

This is clearly the best format, It means the winner from the previous year gets a chance to defend its title each year, and the the challenger has to win the 3v4 playoff the previous year to earn their crack at the shield.

2 ways to go about it, either split venues like mentioned above, but that would make it hard for talent identification from SANFL teams etc.
Or with just having to play 4 normal length games, all could be still held at 1 venue, 2 full kids games first then 2 full Seniors games to finish.

But when associations are going to force players to play, the mickey mouse two halves concept has to go, thats half the reason players dont want to play!

And Im not sure on having to have so many U23's in each side, either they are good enough and the format warrants the BEST players from each league selected, or make it a flat U25's for blokes trying to make it to the next level. The ammos have a simialr concept witht heir state side being U23's only. What do they want from it, showcase the best or breeding ground for promotion, cant go half arsed on both!
by RooShootOhh
Tue Jun 10, 2014 2:01 pm
 
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Re: APPS Country Football

Player payments are a vicious circle... but at the end of the there are mutiple factors to blame:

1. Clubs are willing to pay big $$$$
2. Players happily put their hand out of excessive payments
3. The APPS

1 - The harsh reality is, while clubs are prepared to pay these $ amounts, there will always be a demand, and while I understand the ramifications around clubs not competing in the 'Meat market', the fact still remains, if every club made a stand, this wouldn't be an issue. Why is it still an issue, because clubs don't care about anyone but themselves, and sometime they are killing themselves anyway in their pursuit of success. So all this talk about side deals etc wouldnt be a problem if EVERY club made a stand on principle and stuck to the payment limits. Will this happen, no, and the second ONE club goes outside the boundries, the rest will follow in a heart beat.

Fact still remains, if clubs didnt pay it, problem wouldn't exist!

2 - Now whilst I like the idea of loyalty to your club etc, the generation of today do see things like when I was a kid, so I don't really care if they want to keep swapping clubs to play with mates, moved towns etc etc. Where things have got out of hand is the comfort levels of blokes asking for money. Blokes staying at clubs for a year or two until a better offer comes along etc. Now while money is important to all of us, when blokes are weighing up one club over another for something like $50 difference per game, your kidding yourself young fella. What gets worse now, is blokes going back and forth between clubs they offered me $500 if you give me $550 I'll play for you etc. And asking for sign on fees, your a country footballer, you dont deserve sign on fees, if you were as good as you think you are you wouldn't be playing country footy! But it also haapens at the bottom end, kids 18,19,20 asking for $50 a game ply petrol money.... How about you just get a kick and become a regular A grade player mate, then if the club wishes to reward you then so be it, but at the minute, you should be thanking the club for letting you play there and the opportunity to play A grade footy, not putting your hand out. But again, if you go back to point 1, if clubs are happy to throw it around, would you say no if they offered it to you?

3 - The Point system was put in place to limit player movement, mainly driven by the ametuers worried about blokes goin to the country. In a system that is so slawed as this one and one the ammo's dont actually buy into, all it his done is make their plight worse. Most country clubs had an import rule of some description, relevant to their league and surroundings, that possibly wasn't perfect but workied more often than it didnt. The new points system has dramatically chaged rectruiting 3 ways:
a) placing the basic 'points' system creates a value on every player, unfortunately that value is way to uneven. for example, someone at Sturt last year may have played 7 league games, 9 reserves games for the year, effectively making him a 3 point player. Then a young kid, 18 plays back pocket for Sedan-Cambrai last year, pretty average kid but due to depth issues, plays 9 A grade games and 7 B grade games, he is also a 3 point player. What the system is telling you, that a bloke who played nearly half a season at SANFL league level is the same value to a team as a average kid whos realistically a B grader in Hills Country division.
b) While the ammo's continue to offer EVERY team 15 points every year no matter what, the APPS is not a one fits all system, and therefor forces country clubs to look for players. Perfect example, Goody Saints, Div 1 champions for 3 or 4 years, every single year they had 15 points to play with, whilst every 'points' player is reduced by 1 each year, meaning the system actively encourages them to continue to recruit (and you don't hear Ammo clubs whinging about that), yet Tanunda 4 flags on the trot and the points system allows them 3 points in the BLG, so providing all their current players are 0 pointer they can recruit 1 bloke, but if they have points players from the previous year, no room for recruiting there. So when country clubs aer limited to the volume of players they cn recruit, they have to make an extra effort to draw said player to their club rather than lose it to someone else, hence good clubs only target the best players available, which brings me to point 3
c) even if every club has the same $ Budget to work with, the points system actively drives up the prices of players without the player actually having to do anything. Lets say an ammo club has $50k to spend as does a country club. Ammo club has 15 points (5x3 point players) so they have on average $10k to spend on each player, then the country club only has 6 points to play with (2x3 point players), yet still has the $50k budget, effectively having an allowance of $25k per player to spend. So while that is really simplified, the APPS system actively allows/encourages the country club to spend more to maximise the value of their 3 point player.

So while i could elaborate further on each point, and I'm happy to if anyone wants to on a certain point, the reality is, evan as little as say 7 years ago, player payments would have only been around half of what they are now, what has changed, the APPS came in, created an uneven meat market, drove player prices up, now it is what it is.
by RooShootOhh
Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:36 pm
 
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

I reckon a lot of people would be happy with this week off, especially families being first weekend of school holidays etc. Having a break can be a good thing.

The only issue for me is that it is so close to Landmark Cup bye, and team with a club bye either side of those two weekends play hardly any football over a 6 week period.

Virginia and Two Wells had a bye either side of landmark cup so Virginia 3 games in 6 weeks, Two Wells only 2 games in 5 weeks.
Then Hamley and Balak have a bye either side of Zone champs for Hamley 2 games in 5 weeks Balak 3 games in 6 weeks.

Too stop start for teams trying to get momentum in the iddle half of the season etc...

The quicker they get rid of zone footy and put more emphasis on Association footy the better!
by RooShootOhh
Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:20 pm
 
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Re: HFL Central Division

Mercenary

adjective

1.
primarily concerned with making money at the expense of ethics.


How much longer does this have to go on for before players/members/supporters wake up and realise its all these mercenaries that are hurting our community clubs? Imagine the facilities we could all afford if we wernet so focused on A grade finals.

Most clubs barely have a weights shed, yet the majority of A graders I know have a $1k per year gym membership. Just one season of freezing 'petrol money' could easily cover the costs of building one.


Its time for everyone to stop attacking each other, and start openly discussing internally this insane situation of every dollar raised by the hard working volunteers of the community in sponsorships/gate/bar/canteen is just being poured down the drain for short term success.

Yes very valid point - any club with substandard facilities should play in Country div until they have spent on and brought their infrastructure up to the same standard as Echunga :lol:

Whilst there may be a few players out there that fit this bill, most of the blame lies solely with the clubs, and until they realise this, it will never change!

It is as simple as this, it doesnt matter what amount a player may ask for, he will only get that amount if the CLUB are WILLING to give it to him.

Players don't shop themsleves around like people suggest (apart from a few who realistically give everyone a bad name), more often than not, clubs just outbid each other without the player even asking for money.

"What did club A offer you? We will beat it by $100 a game" would happen 90% of the time in talks rather than the player saying "they offered me $700 so if you give me $800 Ill play with you"

And given its the clubs that do this can you balme players.... Throw the old addage of footy loyalty out the window (because if a player is on the move, they dont have a loyalty to the clubs they are talking to), if it was your job, doing the same thing for 2 differeing companies, company A offered you $50k a year and Company B offered you $60k a year, where would you go.

The reality is, clubs need to start creating an environment where blokes want to play with their mates, want to bring more mates into that environment and while they are being paid to play, it is not the $ figure that is luring them there. This is harder said than done I realise and the APPS soemtimes limits your recruiting, but it is still the best way to survive.
by RooShootOhh
Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:55 pm
 
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Are the association finally doing this to recognise its players????

It's actually a feather in the cap for players who have worked their butt off each year.
Just about every other league would be doing this.
If they want players to be proud of playing for the comp, then give them a TOTY jumper or something as recognition and maybe they will feel loved by the league.

Like All Australian for AFL players, its not the be-all but its certainly something nice to reflect back on after you have finished.

Just something a little professional that the league could do to improve IMHO.
by RooShootOhh
Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:04 pm
 
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Re: HFL Central Division

Why in this day an age, can we not get over this swapping finals venues etc.

2 options which would allow for the best planning and presentation of the leagues showcase:

1 - Just set all the finals venues at the start of the year, rotate them on a roster from year to year, if you are lucky enough to get a final played at your home ground then so be it! People might argue thats unfare, but given all the other parametres that people complaign about, its the fairest total solution.

the Barossa used to allocate lat ein the year like the hills, because of all the reasons that seem to pop up on here, and the reality is, no-one is EVER happy with that set-up. Now each club hosts a final every second year, with that final moving up in importance each time then a 2 year spell after they host the GF (Team X host 1st semi in 2014, nothing 2015, 2nd semi 2016, nothing 2017, prelim 2018, nothing 2019, GF 2020, nothing 2021 & 2022, back to 1st semi 2023)

2 - The higher ranked A grade side on the day Hosts the final (Just like the AFL). If its good enough for them it's surely good enough for the HFL. You still may want to allocate GF day to each club, but then I would go to the rotation system in option 1.


Now allowing for relegation, the team that comes up simply takes the place of the relegated team.
by RooShootOhh
Tue Sep 02, 2014 4:49 pm
 
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Rumour has it young Jamie good from mallala has been offered apprenticeships by 2 different clubs (Clare & eudunda) to come play for then.. Must be poaching young talent for the future

Not a bad way to go, kids has to stay there for at least 3 years, by that time, he will be good mates with all the lads at whatever club it is, he wont want to leave.

So whilst its not good for Mallala, its a sensible recruiting drive, and to go with that, that club wouldn't have to fork out big $$$ on the footy side of things you would imagine.
by RooShootOhh
Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:23 am
 
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

Bill Fuller back to take the controls at the Hanger...?
by RooShootOhh
Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:43 am
 
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Re: Ch9 AFL Division 1 - 2015

swingman wrote:
Pine Warmer wrote:Moody any good??


Would be surprised if he didn't return to Portland where he is a 0 pointer or goodwood where he is a premiership hero


Prob not up to your standards tho Piney, he did play at Hamley in the plains league, fringe B gragder at best :lol:
by RooShootOhh
Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:08 pm
 
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Re: HFL Central Division

There is no way that a league director would sanction me to even stand for election.

The implementation of a business savvy CEO is the best option moving forward which then takes the onus away from the directors and a lot of criticism is deflected.
There could be savings made by simply having a centrally located office for the CEO and 2 other employees with the HFL meetings being held on a rotational basis at HFL clubs.
This would mean that a headquarters as such is not required and the expense that goes with it.
This also gets the board closer to each club and provides a greater alliance and understanding between all parties.
No remuneration is paid to directors as this is a voluntary position e.g no payments for ground inspections, running the footy budget etc etc,

Our competition now generates the income to be run as a business and should be treated this way which would also mean the constitution would become part of the business structure and be formalised in an equitable and legal sense.

My opinion is that 11 apps points should be allocated to all clubs allowing more quality players into hills footy and therefore spreading the remuneration while also diminishing the mercenary footballer's bargaining power.
Each club is then given the same opportunity - with no permits allowed - and there is no argument that anyone is favoured .

While this appears fair in principle, its not what the APPS is designed for in country footy, there are too many other factors that make it an uneven playing field as it stands, where the points system is in principle designed to even out the competition "make it fair"...

Withouth being too technical about it, the population, demographic, socio-economic factors that play a major part in participation numbers (and therefore by weight of numbers that equates to playing depth) already makes every club different (or uneven for this argument). What the points system is designed to do is try and even out those differences by allowing players from outside the league population to join a particular club to give it a better chance of competing with other clubs.

Given that intention, the only way to apply points to clubs is based on performance. And heres the example:

Club A wins premiership and based on past 3 years performance is allowed 6 point to retain exisitng recruits or replace one that leave. This mark sets the current benchmark for the rest of the competiton.
Club D runs fourth this year and accounting for previous 3 years performance and is allocated 10 points. This indicates (based on performances not opinions) that Club D requires the use of 4 extra points (to be used as they see fit) to take them to a level that should be equal in relative terms to Club A.
Club H finishes eighth and allowing for previous 3 years results is allocated 15 points. This indicates (based on performances not opinions) that Club H requires the use of 9 extra points (to be used as they see fit) to take them to a level that should be equal in relative terms to Club A.

Every club is assessed without prejudice based purely on past performace to indicate what allowance of outside support is required to make them competitive with the competition benchmark.

If every player/import was of the same ability then this would be a pretty accurate formulae to determine points allocation (and is still the best way).
Where clubs get it wrong, is how THEY decide to use their points allocation.


Dont get confused with the ammo's where they give everyone 15 points and let promotion and relegation create the so called even divisions, they prom/releg is hugley relevant over the number of divisions they have, the relegation / promtion issue here is minimal at best as its not even a given to happen every year.

people use the APPS as an excuse as a limitation, but forget thats exactly what its designed to do in country footy, giving everyone 15 points will only see an EPL like results, where the bigs clubs with big populations, good juniors and plenty of $$$ win it every year and everyone else battle just to make the finals!
by RooShootOhh
Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:50 am
 
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Re: BL&G Football League

The standard is better, particularly in intensity levels. Most APFL teams would struggle to win games in the BLG; fact. How many would be invited if the Plains league folded, Mallala...who else?

The depth is better which equates to an overall standard I'll possibly give you that. But if you want to compare sides from comps from last year both Hamley and Mallala would have pushed in not beat Nuri to fourth spot.

Barossa would have only had HWE behind them in the plains... Kapunda were horrible (their club as a whole would have struggled to compete in the plains last year), freeling improved late but would have struggled early in most comps..

The BLG has more people to choose from which creates a bigger talent pool, which drives improvement and depth in their clubs making it a strong league, but to think it is miles above the standards of other individuals in laughable.

The reality is the top handful of players from most leagues would comfortably hold their own in any other league in the state.
by RooShootOhh
Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:03 pm
 
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Re: BL&G Football League

Hamley's team LAST YEAR would have had a good year in the BLG, but that's a spec$al case

Mate name a team that has won a flag in a decent comp that hasn't paid out some coin to have the best side (especially comps realitively close to Adelaide)... It's unavoidable whether you like it or not!

BLG for example, all of Barossa Tanunda and Gawler Central would have paid a decent amount to get their premiership teams on the park, and good on them, if they didnt spend it they likely wouldn't have anything in the trophy cabinet! This having a go at clubs these days for spending money is usually only done by sides who either wont spend it a finish nowhere or spend it on the wrong people and still finish nowhere.

Given your two lads have played at other clubs for $$$$ i wouldn't think you would be accusing clubs of spending it?!?
by RooShootOhh
Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:47 pm
 
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

I have been told a lot of the food and wine have been donated by surrounding businesses to help keep costs down (but not sure to what extent).

I would imagine they know their set break even $ amount and know X amounts of tickets is the break even amount.

The line-up doesn't appear as expensive as what it would have cost Kadina so I doubt they carry as much risk, although still risk all the same.
by RooShootOhh
Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:18 pm
 
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

It is a bit concerning what may be happening at the Bridge. Not that we couldnt all see it coming. If you wanna blow all your money on a 3 yr premiership window, then you really need to hang around when things are tough. Otherwise they shouldve invested all that money on ensuring the club is around long term. They have a responsibility to the league they are playing in. This league cannot afford to lose a club!! To hear they may be having a meeting to decide their future is very disappointing....WTF Agree with Ace, where is the ticker???

Interesting point you make, so what would be your suggestions (and please take this as a genuine question, Im not trying to take the piss)???

From what I understand they actually subsidized a lot of the fees for their juniors (from Auskick to Colts level). So what other ideas do you suggest the club do for long term sustainability.

Lets not forget their JC made the GF this year, so they have been putting work into their junior program. I heard they were strongly pushing for Joint Registration for juniors with the BLG but the BLG were not forthcoming.

The ground has come along in leaps and bounds over the last 5 years. They are in the process of trying to upgrade the Community Centre, but waiting on grants from the Gov can be tiresome.

The problem for Hamley is there is a huge gap in local players at the senior age bracket. You just can't make numbers appear from nowhere. Everyone had a crack at Hamley when the won how many wooden spoons on the trot, the club didn something about it, won a flag and still everyone wants to criticise. Everyone was happy to bag the president who tipped in money then seem awfully surprised when he leaves they wont have as much money around the club.

It seems they are an easy target for everyone to sit back and have a go at, but noone seems to offer any suggestions of how they improve.
by RooShootOhh
Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:08 am
 
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Re: NORTH EASTERN F/L

A lot of 'Div 1 Guns" go to country footy expecting to dominate... usually its a huge reality check for them. Country footy is a totally different style of footy to the ammo's
by RooShootOhh
Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:26 am
 
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Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy

Interesting view but I don't agree entirely.The points system would work well if it was properly implemented.Points are like cash & the more you have the more you get to spend.Reduce the overall number of points available & I'm sure player payments would come down.

Couchy... Mate It has done exactly the opposite.

If club A have a playing budget of $30k
They have been allocated 9 APPS
Thats 3 players (assuming they are 3 which is the most common)
Thats $10k to spend on each player
If they play 16 games thats $625 per game each (which is pretty common price these days)

If club B have a playing budget of $30k
They have been allocated 6 APPS
Thats 2 players (assuming they are 3 which is the most common)
Thats $15k to spend on each player
If they play 16 games thats $937 per game each (which is still common price these days among the top players)

If club C have a playing budget of $30k
They have been allocated 3 APPS
Thats 1 player (assuming they are 3 which is the most common)
Thats $30k to spend on the player
If they play 16 games thats $1875 per game each (which has been rumoured to be paid at some places already)


You are kidding yourself if you believe Club C are only going to spend $10k for their 1 x 3 point player because thats all the points they have, they will spend WHATEVER neccesary to make sure they accquire who they believe will maximise the only 3 points they have.


All the points system has done so far is drive up the $$$ of points players without them even trying.

It would have only been 5 or 6 years ago, you would have the one flog that everyone new about that used to try and drive his own price up by shopping himself around, but clubs didnt have to fall for it because they weren't limited to who they could and couldnt recruit based on their previous playing history....

Now clubs want the best player so they throw everything at them in the hope they knock out other potential suitors...
Heaven forbid clubs find a gun player who is either 0 points because of injury or should be realistically a four point player but is only a 3 because of one thing or another.... I
by RooShootOhh
Thu Jul 02, 2015 10:36 am
 
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Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy

Curious to know, with the new Salary Cap and Player Payment caps....

1- On the assumption all payments are declared to the ATO
2- Is the cap on Individual Player Payments ($500 unless marquee player of $1000) a restriction of trade?

Now keep in mind I agree with what they are trying to achieve in reducing player payments etc, I support a salary cap being in place (no matter how hard it will be to Police), but no matter whether I agree with it, I wonder if it can be done legally???

If a club are only allowed to spend $3k per week, But only have 9 points, that 1x $1000 2 x $500 = $2k spend
Yet the next club have 15 Points, thats 1 x $1000 4 x $500 = $3k

Why should a club, who has been more successful (judging by allocated points) not allowed to spend the allocated budget??? Why can they not pay their 3 players $1k each, it still sits inside their weekly $3k allowance???

Clearly the model has been based on the Ammo's and their every club gets 15 points rule, it is no coincidence the maths work out perfectly to fit their model, and again, country footy has been neglected by pathetic management.
by RooShootOhh
Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:49 pm
 
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Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy

The league should have stepped in to stop Hamley being one year wonders, they should have made them try to build a team over a period of time creating loyalty. Thats happened so be it. I just dont think you should punish teams who are trying to building and cant do it for under 3000 a week.

why run a footy club if its not to win premierships.

2011 - Spoon (7 In a row I think)
2012 - Started building as you suggested, finished 5th
2013 - Kept most of 2012 plus added some more 3rd
2014 - Kept base level squad, did change a few imports from 2013 bud didnt add to their import numbers PREMIERS

So while its easy for people to sit back and say Hamley bought a flag in 2014, its easy to forget that they did it over a 3 yr period just like most clubs, yours included by the sound of it...

Easy to forget the junior program they set up over those 3 years which ended up in a colts team in a GF last year also right???

Then you say why run a footy club if its not to win flags, yet your upset Hamley won one...

But don't let that get in the way of a good yarn.

Now no-one wants to see whats happening now, but its the reality, if there no core locals to base a club around (Hamley, United, HWE in the Plains alone let alone other comps) they can ONLY strike when a local group presents the opportunity to support any paid locals, and thats runs true FOR EVERY country footy team.
by RooShootOhh
Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:39 pm
 
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Re: Adelaide Plains Football League

From an Association point of view, there are two possible directions this may head... To look at those you examine the existing teams first...

Balaklava - Good population, good junior numbers for the future of the comp, solid senior group already, local area sustainable, no risk of the town diminishing in the immediate future GOOD POSITION
Hamley Bridge - Small population, one ok junior side but not enough number to count on this for future, minimal senior representation, already a small town, with no immediate plans for growth DANGEROUS POSITION
Hummocks - Ok populations for the combined areas, ok juniors now, seniors improving but will rely heavily on recruited players for sustainability, Pt Wakefield will always be a busy area, but we already see that on locals alone (last year as an example) it is could prove difficult to compete. SEMI DANGEROUS POSITION
Mallala - Great Population, always good numbers and solid juniors, a core senior group that has been able to retain multiple 'imports' for multiple years, local area sustainable, good future for their area GREAT POSITION
Two Wells - Growing Population - Really good junior numbers and program, Senior group strong and still relatively young across the board, local area growing GREAT POSITION
United - Small Population, average junior numbers and results similar to Hamley, Local senior group ok but some are nearing the end of their playing days so rely on recruits to remain competitive and/or challenge, future growth of the area unlikely DANGEROUS POSITION
Virginia - Good population, junior numbers a huge concern esp given the population, had a great senior group that have stuck together for a while, but in 5 years if some/most are gone, who replaces them, the area itself is in great shape, urban sprawl will only add numbers MIDDLE ROAD POSITION

SUMMARY - Balak, Mallala and Two Wells are in really good positions, but 3 teams dont make a comp. Virginia are in a good position with their senior footy, but their juniors are a huge concern and i dont think they have their full compliment of netty teams either (but dont quote me). Hamley, United and Hummocks are the concerns (all at different levels of course). All have minimal numbers or depth in local senior ranks, and the ones that are there may be getting towards the back end of their careers. All 3 over the last two years have shown, to differing levels, that when relying on mainly locals, they are on a hiding to nothing, when a good local contingent are available with MULTIPLE 'imports', then they can compete. But when team are solely relying on imports to remain competitive, that is not a good sign.

So

Option 1 - Add Angle Vale in, bringing more numbers into the competition can't be a bad thing since EVERY country comp is struggling with participation rates. It is not out of the way in terms geographical location, and with high junior participation levels, it may filter into the rest of the comp where some teams are experiencing low numbers. Comp goes to 8, possible allows for an even draw not relying on byes, should be seen as a positive. If a team like Hamley folds, you are still left with a 7 team comp, so while not great to lose a club, the comp itself remains in a similar position but with higher junior numbers. Remembering that junior number will be the reason the comp continues in the future.

Option 2 - Change nothing. But what that does is put pressure on EVERYONE. Hamley have a long road ahead, with a non existant local playing base at the moment, they either have to wait to their juniors filter through (which numbers aren't that high anyway) or constantly rely on players from outside the town (imports in one form or another). Lets just say hypothetically that doesnt work out, comp is down to 6. Then lets say United (not picking on them, just an example) have 5 or 6 existing locals retire, the sugggested salary cap and points system restrict them from recruiting good numbers, then they are in the position like Hamley are now (and results this year have shown when all their imports have been out injured they have been belted even if not Hamley like), then in a few years they fold (and I could have used Hummocks as an example given similar demographics), down to 5 team... = COMP GONE .... what then...

Well I see it like this,

Virginia - perfect fit for the Ammo's solid senior numbers who could easily go up the divisions, no pressure of junior numbers which they are struggling with.
Mallala and Two Wells - Both enter the Barossa league, good juniors, strong seniors, strong netty, close proximity to the area, ticks all the boxes
Balak - Join the North Eastern league, same as above, but geographically better suited to the NE comp.
Hummocks - If sustainable, potentiall join the Yorkes league, travel wise would be relitively similar, strength of the comp may suit. If not sustainable, then potentially fold.
Hamley and United - Given population issues, potential of area growth being minimal, ability to recruit players to the club limited by the cap and points sytem, they both find themselves (at some stage but not immediate in United case) unsustainable. They could potentially merge together and attempt to join another league, I doubt the Barossa would take a third team, maybe too far away from the NEFL... not looking too bright if the comp goes bust.

So everyone has to ask themselves, if they sit around and do little and hope the association stays as it is because thats the way we like it, then they will be in for a big shock, the APFL (with other country leagues I may add) will die a slow death.
by RooShootOhh
Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:59 pm
 
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Re: Ch9 AFL Division 5 - 2015

The ideal situation is for every club to have the same budget.

Not really, perhaps the same budget for each division maybe, but you cant say a Div1 team should have the same budget as a Div 6 team.

Provided the budgets at the top are acceptable (and good luck finding common ground there) a tiered budget through division would work IMO.

A top level player in Div 1 may command $500 as say the top player, going on the new Salary Cap, and say 4k per week for the club
A top level player in Div 2 should only be able to command $450 going on the new Salary Cap, and say 3.5k per week for the club
A top level player in Div 3 should only be able to command $400 going on the new Salary Cap, and say 3k per week for the club
A top level player in Div 4 should only be able to command $350 going on the new Salary Cap, and say 2.5k per week for the club
A top level player in Div 5 should only be able to command $300 going on the new Salary Cap, and say 2k per week for the club
A top level player in Div 6 should only be able to command $250 going on the new Salary Cap, and say 1.5k per week for the club

And so on.....

If a player demands more than the top mark in his grade, then make him go and earn it in a higher grade. It will also allow them to build to that success without going for broke from day 1 to make it a sustainable model moving forward. What you will find is, blokes who aren't worth the money they are asking for will be chewed up and spat out of the top grades pretty quickly as club will only look at recruiting the best players. it will stop big fish in small pond type blokes as well...

IMO NO PLAYER in Div 6 should be getting paid anywhere near the amount of what someone in Div 1 is. Anyone who is in Div 6 thinking they are worth more than $250 need to be told to go and earn it.

It creates a level playing field across the grades from a financial point of view, if a club goes up, they are given a higher budget to recruit say 1 more player to compete at the next level, if a club goes down, it may just be telling them they are spending money on the wrong players and make them re-evaluate how/who they spend their money on.

Depending on Tax thresholds, the ATO may agree that these levels all classify as a hobby income, so no need to hide money under the table etc and take all the hidden bullsh*t out of player payments.
by RooShootOhh
Tue Sep 15, 2015 5:06 pm
 
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Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy

I wonder if a change to the points allocation would make life easier and give greater incentive for clubs to retain players.

What would be the outcome for clubs if the -1 point was taken away from U17 kids, but was applied to players who have played 100+ A Grade games for your club?

Most associations are 16 games per season, so it would be just over 6 full seasons without missing a game to become eligible. If you are lucky enough to play finals, you may get it just before the end of your 6th season.

Still capped at say 3 players.

I want to make it clear I'm all for junior development, and clubs should be trying to get the most out of their kids, but I wonder if its having a negative effect sometimes, the kid goes up to play A's. hardly gets on, doesn't enjoy, doesn't want to do it again (which is becoming common from what I'm hearing around the traps). The other thing is sometimes good local seniors may miss out on a game in the A's because of the clubs need to play a kid or two...

Rather than try and get around the system 'using' kids, why not reward clubs who manage to keep players at their club???
by RooShootOhh
Wed Sep 16, 2015 8:43 am
 
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Re: Daily Golf - Where you are playing and how you go

Played Gawler front 9 on Saturday...

Started well, fell away late...

Played with 2 blokes I hadn't met before, and while they were nice, they felt rushed by the groups behind us, kinda put a bit of pressure on me and my game went backwards.

Gotta play with mates or pop out on a quiet afternoon
by RooShootOhh
Mon Nov 02, 2015 1:08 pm
 
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Re: 20-1 REBs worst AFL Guernseys

some of the rounds are good imo. I like indigenous round and womens round.

Its more that they are trying to block out the schedule to ensure they get first dibs on this sort of thing. ANZAC day is a prime example. the fact that its only essendon and collingwood is ridiculous

even worse are "traditional" games like richmond carlton season opener and collingwood melbourne queens birthday. those sorts of days should be for the absolute marquee games of the comp, based on recent results, not for victorian teams to make sure they get the standalone games when they dont deserve them .

Really the reason the SA clubs don't get these is because they can't get the numbers of a marquee game with any other club outside of a showdown, and Showdowns already draw the big crowds. Giving the crows an opening game isn't going to entice more travelling fans to come over, giving them a queens birthday game isnt going to get more fans travel over.

Marquee games are designed to draw a bigger crowd than the usual fixture, something 2 VIC teams can manage against normal attendances, but something Interstate teams struggle to do outside of Showdowns/Derbys/Clashes/Battles...

Rich v Car played round 1 this year got 75,706 (the largest crowd still this year) but if that was played say round 6 it may only get 55k-60k there.
The Power played the Saints and got 43,807. Do you think it would get to the showdown figure of 51,585 if it were the opener, no chance

So an uplift of 15,000 min vs an uplift of 8,000 maximum is a pure economical decision as to why the Vic club get the privilege more often than not.

If the AFL know they will get 52k to a showdown, why would they then waste it in a marquee timeslot knowing they wont duplicate that figure with the game that replaces the showdown later in the year???

No outside of reasoning, I don't really like many if any if the themed rounds. ANZAC day is legendary and the 'theme' represents everyone in this great country. But most of the rest usually exclude someone in an effort to include another. Why do we have to single groups out all the time... If we are all inclusive, who cares where anyone comes from.. blah blah blah

Yet just to contradict myself, I really like Indigenous round personally
by RooShootOhh
Thu Apr 14, 2016 3:41 pm
 
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Re: APPS New recruiting rules - Your thoughts?

The problem with the rules is that are put in place for the top end type transfers, rather than the everyday transfers.

How many B Graders realistically can transfer to another club and become match-winners, unless they are dropping 4-5 grades.

All the current system is doing is stopping people from being able to play at a club they choose.

Lets just say a kid from Pt Augusta plays 3 A games but the rest B's, moves to Adelaide for Uni, no club will want him (or be able to fit him into the As) because he is points, even if he turns up on his own want to play with mates at a club.

And the same with country clubs, bar the odd handful of Div1 Reserve players, country clubs aren't headhunting B graders, they only have minimal points to use, and usually have enough cash to get the best points players they want. But say a B grader in the ammos play 1 A grade game last year wants to go play with family/friends at a country club, that club may not fit him in if they have used their points.

All this does normally is turn blokes away from footy, and most of the time, once they leave they don't come back.
I agreed a system is needed for top end talent transfers, but stopping a bunch of lads playing together when they are middle of the road type players is plain stupid.
by RooShootOhh
Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:23 pm
 
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