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Postby Brucetiki » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:45 am

Aerie wrote:
Really? :shock:

Fine as in they didn't favour either team or fine as in the game was umpired well?

I don't think any team got any advantage out of the umpires today, but I thought it was the worst umpiring display I have ever seen. The new AFL type style of umpiring is terrible for the game. Not only are the new rules terrible - but the interpretation by the umpires was also inconsistent. The game was over umpired.

Interestingly, the question in the "ask the captains" section in the Budget was about what rule could they change. 6 or 7 out of 9 said about the hands in the back, another said about holding the ball and another said the game was being over umpired.

Please umpires and the SANFL, listen to the players, coaches and the supporters and get back to the umpiring style you usually use in the finals where the game flows and you earn a free kick. We don't have to copy the AFL in every aspect do we?


Couldn't agree more with you. Today's game was terribly overumpired, and alot of free (for both sides) came from God knows where. If the SANFL don't do anything to address the umpiring problems (ala the A-League), then we'll have more incidents like the Gowans 75m penalty, where players are frustrated with the poor standards, and umpires too thin-skinned to accept fault.
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Postby MightyEagles » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:34 am

Wedgie wrote:I thought the umpires made great position today especially ths one:

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Looks like Gowans is going to get kicked in the face.
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Postby MightyEagles » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:36 am

Brucetiki wrote:
Aerie wrote:
Really? :shock:

Fine as in they didn't favour either team or fine as in the game was umpired well?

I don't think any team got any advantage out of the umpires today, but I thought it was the worst umpiring display I have ever seen. The new AFL type style of umpiring is terrible for the game. Not only are the new rules terrible - but the interpretation by the umpires was also inconsistent. The game was over umpired.

Interestingly, the question in the "ask the captains" section in the Budget was about what rule could they change. 6 or 7 out of 9 said about the hands in the back, another said about holding the ball and another said the game was being over umpired.

Please umpires and the SANFL, listen to the players, coaches and the supporters and get back to the umpiring style you usually use in the finals where the game flows and you earn a free kick. We don't have to copy the AFL in every aspect do we?


Couldn't agree more with you. Today's game was terribly overumpired, and alot of free (for both sides) came from God knows where. If the SANFL don't do anything to address the umpiring problems (ala the A-League), then we'll have more incidents like the Gowans 75m penalty, where players are frustrated with the poor standards, and umpires too thin-skinned to accept fault.


After the Eagles v Port game a week and a half a go, the Umpires got a big talking to about what they did wrong during the game.
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Postby MagareyLegend » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:31 am

Despite the public line the standard of SANFL umpiring in all grades is absolutely appalling.

However, instead of being sacked for it Shane Harris will be knighted.

Let's hope the new Fanatasia regime will continue to make sweeping changes in the SANFL bureaucracy and do something about this.
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Postby am Bays » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:46 am

Been following footy for 30 years, the one constant in that time year in year out has been:

The umpiring has never been worse, the umpires are joke, and/or the SANFL need to look at their umpires.....

A remember Glenelg room staff before a night game 15 years ago complaining about the umpires saying that they need to get Ken Cunnigham back umpiring as he was the best they'd seen....

IMHO the umpiring is nor worse or better than the current standard of the players compared to 20 years ago...
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Postby Wedgie » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:04 pm

I kind of agree Tassie but I think it has got worse since the 3 umpires came in due to less consistency and poor positions they're told to place themselves in.
As mentioned previously the AFL umpiring is miles better than SANFL umpiring and Im not saying AFL umpiring is good either.
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Postby doggies4eva » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:18 pm

Dunno, maybe I'm just getting old and mellow but I remember being really pissed off years ago by inconsistant umpiring.

Now they make the odd silly mistake but it doesn't seem to really impact on the game.

With all of the advice that the Gowans are giving them every week they can only improve :)
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Postby Aerie » Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:36 pm

Even though yesterday wasn't good - I'm not so much concerned by individual umpires, but more the rules that are in place and how the umpires have obviously been directed to pay free kicks.

This hands in the back rule is ludicrous for one. What was wrong with it before? They should just scrap it now - it doesn't work.

I love seeing a player go in and get the hard ball and back himself in. I hate seeing players hang around and then tackle and get rewarded for holding the ball. A player that gets in and does the dirty work should be allowed a reasonable opportunity of disposal. So many occasions yesterday that player was pinged holding the ball - and on other occasions wasn't - and this is where the inconsistency was most evident.

Being more strict on the head high stuff is good for the game IMO.

To me, these three things have been the most significant changes to the umpiring this year and I think they have got one out of three right. So I hope they take the good and get rid of the bad right now - starting this weekend.
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Postby JK » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:04 pm

Looked to me on TV as though Central got a shocking run with the umps actually ... But, thats footy, some weeks you get the rub, others you don't ... Thankfully it didn't have any influence on the result, which is when it really becomes unacceptable (although it would seem even then everything's rosy at HQ's).

Noticed in the opening game of the year how heavily over officiated it was, and was hoping it would calm down from then but I've not seen anything to suggest otherwise yet.
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Postby twosheds » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:52 pm

Brucetiki wrote:
Aerie wrote:
Really? :shock:

Fine as in they didn't favour either team or fine as in the game was umpired well?

I don't think any team got any advantage out of the umpires today, but I thought it was the worst umpiring display I have ever seen. The new AFL type style of umpiring is terrible for the game. Not only are the new rules terrible - but the interpretation by the umpires was also inconsistent. The game was over umpired.

Interestingly, the question in the "ask the captains" section in the Budget was about what rule could they change. 6 or 7 out of 9 said about the hands in the back, another said about holding the ball and another said the game was being over umpired.

Please umpires and the SANFL, listen to the players, coaches and the supporters and get back to the umpiring style you usually use in the finals where the game flows and you earn a free kick. We don't have to copy the AFL in every aspect do we?


Couldn't agree more with you. Today's game was terribly overumpired, and alot of free (for both sides) came from God knows where. If the SANFL don't do anything to address the umpiring problems (ala the A-League), then we'll have more incidents like the Gowans 75m penalty, where players are frustrated with the poor standards, and umpires too thin-skinned to accept fault.


I agree also, we used to get a more "classic" style of game a few years ago as our umps let things go a bit, now they seem to want to copy the afl with technical over umpiring, they have no sense of the"spirit" of the game. For the record I felt they were ordinary at times for both teams yesterday but what is funny is it seems every team universally thinks one of yesterdays umps is the worst umpire going around, unfortunately he is!
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Postby RustyCage » Thu Apr 26, 2007 2:53 pm

doggies4eva wrote:With all of the advice that the Gowans are giving them every week they can only improve :)


And Jeremy Clayton. Theres no shortage of people willing to help the umps.
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Postby XXXXRooster » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:21 pm

For the last couple of yrs i thought the umps were letting games go quite well, maybe they've gotten a message from the AFL to do it 'their way' this yr or else!!!!
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Postby bayman » Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:04 pm

Aerie wrote:
bayman wrote:as a neutral observer the umpires were fine, but i ask this of you central people when gowans gave away the 75 metre penalty why wasn't he dragged ? i'm sure if he did that in a close game he would've been dragged, or is it because of his name ? i'd bet if 'delta' did it in his first game he would've been taken off, but back to the main point the umpiring was fine & a lot better than at glenelg last week (& glenelg got the ride) take your rose colored glasses off & look at the game objectively


Really? :shock:

Fine as in they didn't favour either team or fine as in the game was umpired well?

I don't think any team got any advantage out of the umpires today, but I thought it was the worst umpiring display I have ever seen. The new AFL type style of umpiring is terrible for the game. Not only are the new rules terrible - but the interpretation by the umpires was also inconsistent. The game was over umpired.

Interestingly, the question in the "ask the captains" section in the Budget was about what rule could they change. 6 or 7 out of 9 said about the hands in the back, another said about holding the ball and another said the game was being over umpired.

Please umpires and the SANFL, listen to the players, coaches and the supporters and get back to the umpiring style you usually use in the finals where the game flows and you earn a free kick. We don't have to copy the AFL in every aspect do we?


i think the umpiring was fine in relation of how they are told to interpret it, i agree there are too many soft kicks been given this year but that is not the umpires fault it is the fault of those in charge giving the orders
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Postby Ninja Spoon » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:02 am

I reckon the umpiring was F***ing Crap.


80% of frees that Central opposition are because they:
a.) duck into tackles - free
b.) Windge - free
c.) Have a Cry - free
d.) The Umpire think there Head is on the armpits - free
e.) There whole body is there back - free

The rules for the Dogs
a.) The dogs can ONLY get a free if and only if the umpire will get sacked for not calling those kinds of frees

For the ABC commentators to say that an SANFL umpire has it against the dogs, and to be able to umpire the dogs game is crap.
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Postby am Bays » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:09 am

Thanks for that insightful comment ninja spoon.

There is a way you can help, join a local umpires panel, and because you know the laws and interpretations so well you are bound to progress through the ranks with alacrity to become as SANFL league umpire..... :roll: :roll:
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Postby Dogwatcher » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:24 am

Ninja Spoon wrote: For the ABC commentators to say that an SANFL umpire has it against the dogs, and to be able to umpire the dogs game is crap.


While some of Ninja's post was a bit OTT and biased.....this is an interesting comment. Is it true - did they really say this?
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Postby Aerie » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:39 am

I'd be interested to know the umpires opinions on the new rules. I'm sure they're just as passionate about footy as the rest of us (probably more given they put themselves through 3 hours of abuse every weekend). Who are the people that make up these rules???!!!
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Postby doggies4eva » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:53 am

Dogwatcher wrote:
Ninja Spoon wrote: For the ABC commentators to say that an SANFL umpire has it against the dogs, and to be able to umpire the dogs game is crap.


While some of Ninja's post was a bit OTT and biased.....this is an interesting comment. Is it true - did they really say this?


They were fairly critical of many of the decisions and non-decisions. At one stage they said "We've been knocking the umpires a bit, we had better lay off of them" or words to that effect.
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