SA u18's Vs. NSW U18's

[Silky skills]

Yep the SA boys got up easily, but didnt play a very good standard of footy, alot of missed kicks, not respecting team mates and not giving handballs, something i reckon the lads HAVE to improve on to compete against the VICS and WA. A wins a win but theres still plenty of improvement left in them

[Jar Man Out]

Only the mentally ill would do that wouldn't they SimonH.

Yes, that's right, JMO. They would. And, as I said previously, if getting potential access to a special scholarship at the cost of inferior coaching and inferior competition makes good sense in your kid's development, I can also suggest moving to South Africa as a way of fast-tracking his career. So, are you on the plane or not?

I agree with you now. South Australian kids not good to be drafted sucked in.

Is that meant to be a sentence, or something mad people wake up screaming?

What's your beef SimonH? JMO is passionate about the SANFL and the jounior development in the league and you're here having potshots at the bloke, well excuse him for giving a shit about the local comp!

Yes, and Idi Amin was 'passionate' about Uganda. My 'beef' is simply that JMO (ex-Mark Ducker) is wrong. And that he is promoting a 'who cares about the future of Aussie rules around Australia, as long as my backyard's alright, Jack' attitude.

NSw kids not good enough lets invent a loophole where they get access to an afl list anyway.

So SimonH you agree with these dud NSW kids getting put onto AFL lists when they are clearly not good enough (flogged by SA) yet our gun kids have to wait until november with their fingers crossed hoping to get picked up? cos to me this makes a lot of sense............NOT!

Gee, you guys seem to be singing from the same song-sheet! Trouble is, these tired arguments have already been laid to bed. Refer to the previous thread on this topic.

The phrase 'access to an AFL list' is meaningless nonsense. Come draft day, every registered player above a certain age across all of Australia is eligible. They are either picked (good enough) or not picked (not good enough). All of those 'guns' from SA who are missing out, and all of those NSW 'duds' being put on an AFL list? Makes sense, seeing that all club recruiting managers are trying to build bad lists with inferior players who will lose their team games, hey? Only problem is: they don't exist. Name the last 'NSW dud' who was drafted.

There are certain players (father-son picks, and kids on scholarships) where one team has first dibs, and if they pass, all other 15 teams can then select them on the open market. For all other players, all 16 teams have equal power to draft them. So, in the final analysis, every player is able to be picked by 16 clubs, but can only be picked by one. Is there something about this system you don't understand?

Yep Im wrong Riddler. Who cares about promoting football in our backyard as south australians. As long as the NSW kids get advantages screw the rest i say. Thats the real future of football in SA . Great south aussie you are SimonH. Let me guess you are a crows fan ???

"Access to a list" is not meaningless at all. You do realise it is most kids dream as footballers to access that list. If you are good enough put your name down draft day and compete with every kid in australia and hopefully your dream will be fulfilled. unless you are from nsw. cos your coaching may not be up to scratch so you get free access onto an afl list before any other.

personally i would suggest investing in better coaching programmes in nsw to eliminate the problem. rather than just granting them access to an afl list. as i dont see how the latter will solve the poor coaching dilema.

Ofcourse I am so silly to be defending the future of SA juniors on an sanfl website with SANFl fans.

Finally simonH its not like we do not like NSw juniors. I have no dramas with them getting a scholarship and even training with Sydney in the preseason. But the scholarship converting to "access to an afl list" is simply not fair if not provided to juniors australia wide.

i really can not understand you argument. yes Sa kids are being discriminated against but it for the greater good of the afl???

sorry I dont buy that.

[heater31]

Jar, do you think the SA kids should be getting these handouts then? somehow I don't think Centrals would have Trent Goodrem on their playing list without the help the code received in Sydney in fact he probably wouldn't be playing football at all

[Jar Man Out]

Jar, do you think the SA kids should be getting these handouts then? somehow I don't think Centrals would have Trent Goodrem on their playing list without the help the code received in Sydney in fact he probably wouldn't be playing football at all

Why shouldnt they Heater. Why shouldnt SA kids have the same rights and exposure in the AFL system as any other junior around Australia. I' m Pretty sure we paid 4 million for our AFL licences just like Sydney/Lions did.

Very interesting you bring up father son rule as the same as the scholarships SimonH. Yet again though Simon there is one big difference. Does a father and son rule have free access to an afl list ???

or does the club have to sacrifice a 3rd round draft selection.

So Brett Ebert , HAS TO BE DRAFTED to Port Adelaide eventhough his father played/coached at Port for a total of what 20 years.

But a NSW kid with no allegiance to anyone . Gets handed an afl scholarship which can be converted to a place on afl list WITHOUT BEING DRAFTED.

And you as a South Australian support this ????

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Without buying into the argument concerning scholarship holders, the bottom line is they wont get onto any AFL list unless they prove themselves to be good enough. The clubs can mentor and then monitor their progress but will not waste a draft or rookie pick on them to justify the scholarship system.

[heater31]

But a NSW kid with no allegiance to anyone . Gets handed an afl scholarship which can be converted to a place on afl list WITHOUT BEING DRAFTED.

And you as a South Australian support this ????

This is where you lose me, IF these programs were not in place the NSW kids WOULD NOT EVEN BE NOTICED to be rookie listed in the first place for a chance on an AFL list. To put it simply these kids do not have the opportunity to showcase their skills as much and the ones in SA do if they warrant a place then the scholarship holder should get one, well then thanks for coming and shown the door.

The SA kids have three levels of acceptable competitions (SANFL, Reserves and u/19) to showcase their skills to the 16 clubs. Also we have our u/18 team in the top division where as NSW are in div 2. If these SA kids are good enough they will get drafted either in the national, pre-season or rookie drafts.

You have also side stepped Trent Goodrem, if both he and Kieren Jack were not given these opportunities I am sure as hell bet that they would not even be playing football