Has the Advertiser robbed Lachie Button of the Rising Star?

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Re: Have the Paper Stats robbed Lachie Button of the Rising Star

Postby MAY-Z » Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:25 pm

bulldogproud wrote:whufc, that terrible stuff-up you mention just happened on one occasion and the statisticial still is red-faced about it!
The reason The Advertiser takes the stats from the organisation it does rather than from the clubs is that it has found that the club stats are less accurate. They hold a belief that people within clubs tend to overstate the stats of their favourite players and understate stats of others.
Before Ecky gets mad at that comment, I must explain that that comment came from The Advertiser, not directly from me!
My own thought is that the clubs probably do a more accurate job as they have more stats people to do the job and, in many cases, those people are also vastly experienced and also less likely to get players of their club confused with one another.
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there is no way that this would happen as the reason we take the stats is for decisions to be made so they have to be as accurate as possible. we have 2 people watching the play at glenelg so even is a player is acalled in error it is always corrected by the othe rperson- something which wouldnt happen amongst the paper stats people. If a caller does have a perceived bias it would only impact on the effective/ineffective rating of a possession which wouldnt effect the total stats that are displayed in the paper.

just out of interest sake i am compiling a comparison from the weekends glenelg game between what we had, the abc had and the paper so if anyone reading this is a south statistician or knows one it would be great if i could grab a copy of what they recorded to add to the comparison
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Re: Have the Paper Stats robbed Lachie Button of the Rising Star

Postby Ecky » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:31 pm

Well, it looks like the answer to my original question could be "yes" as Centrals Louis Hadden has been named the round 17 Star Search nominee :evil: I noticed they have quoted his Advertiser stats in the writeup:
http://www.sanfl.com.au/default.aspx?s=newsdisplay&aid=124437

Can any Centrals fans comment on whether they think he is a worthy nomination?
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Re: Have the Paper Stats robbed Lachie Button of the Rising Star

Postby whufc » Tue Jul 31, 2007 2:43 pm

Louis Hadden is an extremly highly skilled footballer who came on the scene late last season in the reserves. When playing reserves he really does look a class above all other players. There is no surprise that he has been selected in the league.

BUT his game on the weekend was only about average in my opinion, according to the sunday mail he had between 11 and 13 possesions which isn't outstanding for a midfielder by any means, though 90% of them would have been effective. There is alot more to come from this young lad, IMHO he is the exact same style player as Adam Switala.

So yeah Louie was probably a bit lucky to win the award but it also was a high pressure game which would have counted in his favour over Button i guess
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Re: Have the Paper Stats robbed Lachie Button of the Rising Star

Postby Ecky » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:46 pm

Today's Sunday Mail again robbed Lachie by giving him
0 kicks 0 marks 0 handballs :!:
Have they gone on strike awarding him stats until we stop whinging about it? :lol:

I was tempted to write that we recorded him as having 20 possessions, but I had better say that he only had 1 kick, 0 marks, 1 handball. So they only missed 2 stats, but still that means they got 100% of them incorrect! :wink:
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Re: Has the Advertiser robbed Lachie Button of the Rising Star?

Postby Wedgie » Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:55 pm

I think Matthew Wright will be a shoe in for this week's award, not bad for his first game!
Played out of the forward pocket for most of the day, had 16 possession, kicked 4 goals and set a couple of others up.
Very impressive performance, this kid looks a gun!
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Re: Have the Paper Stats robbed Lachie Button of the Rising Star

Postby Psyber » Sun Aug 05, 2007 2:01 pm

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scott wrote: I guess it's pretty obvious that I stinged my own team about 10 or 15 handballs. South must have gone handball crazy on the couple of occasions ABC showed a replay while the game was in progress.

Amazing that you get it so accurate to be honest, with all that ABC "Swoosh" stuff going on...

Yes, congratulation on amazing concentration!
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Re: Have the Paper Stats robbed Lachie Button of the Rising Star

Postby scott » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:18 am

Ecky wrote:Today's Sunday Mail again robbed Lachie by giving him
0 kicks 0 marks 0 handballs :!:
Have they gone on strike awarding him stats until we stop whinging about it? :lol:

I was tempted to write that we recorded him as having 20 possessions, but I had better say that he only had 1 kick, 0 marks, 1 handball. So they only missed 2 stats, but still that means they got 100% of them incorrect! :wink:

Credit where credit's due - afterall, they had the same marks tally as you.
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