Joint West End Clubs of the Year - Central & North!

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Postby TimmiesChin » Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:02 pm

I dont understand why points for attendance are all based on 5increase. Surely to keep it in line with other categories there should be a point awarded for crowd size .... and then a bonus point for improvement.

All other categories - ie financial, making finals, business plans, SANFL players, etc are based on meeting certain standards ...... for some reason crowd/attendance is based on improvement....
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Postby doggies4eva » Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:06 pm

What a stuff up!

OK I appologise gracrow. There was something to the rumour :oops:
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Postby drebin » Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:14 pm

My "sources" tell me the mistake was discovered the day the results were released to the clubs and the clubs started doing there own adding up based on the criteria set by the SANFL. Word from the SANFL coridoors is given the stuff up, it was better a shared award rather than taking it from the wrongly annoucnced club and giving it to the righful winners. The SANFL apparently decided North only deserved one more point when clearly there are at least another 1 or 2 still owed - so the story goes.
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Postby Wedgie » Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:22 pm

Hmm, the more we hear the more gacrow's source sounds spot on.
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Postby gracrow » Thu Mar 02, 2006 1:32 pm

Drebin quoted - it was better a shared award rather than taking it from the wrongly annoucnced club and giving it to the righful winners.The SANFL apparently decided North only deserved one more point when clearly there are at least another 1 or 2 still owed - so the story goes

That would explain it. My source was pretty sure the Roosters had won it.

Anyway...there are more important wins coming up for the roosters this season. :)
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Postby drebin » Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:04 pm

Your source was spot on gracrow - it just took the league a little time to work out how to 'cover up' their blunder without looking too amatuerish.

Having said all that the award looks like being canned - none of the clubs are happy with the criteria and their are too many variables within the catergories and open to far too much different interpretation as all clubs report differently on their financial operations for starters, crowds vary for a multitude of reasons, drafted players change from club to club, year to year whether you are successful on field or not - that's 3 for starters.

The only real gauge to how a club is going is the premiership and or the Stanley Lewis - fair voting system with that award.
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Postby Aerie » Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:16 pm

drebin wrote:The only real gauge to how a club is going is the premiership and or the Stanley Lewis - fair voting system with that award.


Exactly. That's the only thing 99% of the football public care about anyway. It's plain to see Central and North (albeit not with a senior premiership yet) have got their sh*t together. They don't need any more rewards. What I like about this is the review of all clubs (which probably already happened anyway) on an annual basis and hopefully some co-operation between clubs to ensure all 9 clubs remain healthy and wealthy off-field.
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Postby cd » Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:22 pm

Personal point of view

Good to see corrections made when a mistake detected.

I would have thought a business plan would be valued more highly than 1 point as we need all clubs to survive and prosper for our league to stay strong

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Postby am Bays » Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:47 pm

Full marks to the league for trying something to look past what purely happens on a footy field, but realistically Footy is all about happens on the footy field, business plans, sponsorship, junior development, etc are all in place for one thing, to win premierships.

Drebin you are spot on however if I had a choice between the 1990 Stanley H Lewis and the 1990 TS Hill trophy I know what I'd rather!!!

I dips me lid to Centrals for the past six years (not forgetting 2002) premierships are all that counts. If you aim for other awards thats is all that you'll get, other meaningless awards, rather than the ultimate!!!
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Postby Ronnie » Fri Mar 03, 2006 1:27 pm

Spot on Drebin, you can have a fancy business plan but it means *** all if the reality is your club hasn't won a flag for god know's how long. The Premiership is all that matters, but the Lewis cup is a good indicator as well.
I like the on field medals, like the Magarey, the Ken Farmer medal, they stand out. They recognise the on field performances of the various clubs which is what footy is all about. As much as football club's need to be run as businesses now they shouldn't be ranked on that measure, it's a nonsense.
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Postby JK » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:17 pm

cd wrote:Personal point of view

Good to see corrections made when a mistake detected.

I would have thought a business plan would be valued more highly than 1 point as we need all clubs to survive and prosper for our league to stay strong

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I was thinking the exact same thing myself Col ... The concept appears to be a good one, and the criteria needs to ensure the longevity of the clubs ... One would have thought that a business plan (and a sound one at that) be a core component of this!
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Postby Kevin » Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:13 pm

Reminds me of a Magarey count a few years back when Stavros Pippos (Ch 7) declared the winner before all the votes were counted.

Really, this sort of thing does look pathetic.
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Postby RoosterMarty » Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:32 pm

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cd wrote:Personal point of view

Good to see corrections made when a mistake detected.

I would have thought a business plan would be valued more highly than 1 point as we need all clubs to survive and prosper for our league to stay strong

Col D


I was thinking the exact same thing myself Col ... The concept appears to be a good one, and the criteria needs to ensure the longevity of the clubs ... One would have thought that a business plan (and a sound one at that) be a core component of this!


Absolutely mate. Especially in this day and age when a number of clubs are/have been struggling off the field. A strong business plan is the saviour of local clubs and the SANFL.
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Postby cd » Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:42 pm

Again purely personal viewpoint

I reckon the Premiership is also worth more than 1 point as it is the ultimate.

A club award needs to recognise all aspects of a club and thus the headings/criteria seem to me to be ok - The points or rankings i reckon could be weighted better and for the future a sound business plan is essential

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Postby giffo » Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:37 pm

"North exceeds the others with its Live Scoreboard." Sorry Wedgie but the Bulldogs forum will also have live score updates and comments from the days game.
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Postby Leaping Lindner » Sat Mar 04, 2006 3:49 pm

Kevin wrote:Reminds me of a Magarey count a few years back when Stavros Pippos (Ch 7) declared the winner before all the votes were counted.

Really, this sort of thing does look pathetic.


Almost. It was 1983 and Antrobus was declared the winner and then Stavros came out and said there was still 20 votes to be counted. After some very embarssing silence all round it was then realised that all the votes had been counted and Ant was indeed the winner. I have it on good authority that the "incident" is still not talked of in the Pippos household :lol:
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Postby Wedgie » Sun Mar 05, 2006 4:26 pm

giffo wrote:"North exceeds the others with its Live Scoreboard." Sorry Wedgie but the Bulldogs forum will also have live score updates and comments from the days game.


There's a big difference between having updates on a forum and a live scoreboard that updates every 30 seconds, North had had live updates on The Roost for years and it doesn't compete.
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Postby Ian » Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:40 am

The live score board was a great addition to the site last year, something that all clubs should have. It would be good if the SANFL could get on board with links to live scoreboards of all games as they happen on the League's site.
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Postby Kevin » Mon Mar 06, 2006 6:08 pm

Almost.


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