U17s GONE for 2009.

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Bit harsh some kids don't get picked up early as they don't have dads in the know at local clubs and they don't start till late,
ie last year U17's or first year 19's. When local coaches get to select the kids to try a sanfl club, alot of the kids we now never made it. And yet alot of the kids not selected are now playing league or reserves. They had to get in the hard way.

Most clubs are open slather for juniors at 17s and 19s level, yes some kids get asked but you'll find any kid in a club's zone is welcome to try out for pre-season.

In my seven years at Glenelg from 1990 to 1997 only 1 kid out of over 500 played his full two years of 19s before he made his ressies debut and then played league footy. Even then he only played less than 5 games.

Mate the stats dont stack up to that it is extremely rare for any kid to play league SANFL footy if they haven't played twos footy but the time they are 18.

The current Glenelg reerves premiers had 9 players eligible for 19s or 17s

This might lose some good players that develop late, not all 18 year olds have the body to play reserves, but will have later on.

Agreed with respect to the tall players which is why you'll find each club will be allowed to have 2-6 over age players in their U/18s to cater for the "late developers"

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Jonathon Giles got drafted after playing a full year of Under 17s at Centrals.

I was told this info from a president of a amatuer football club.

more than happy to concede it will be 2009.

[am Bays]

Jonathon Giles got drafted after playing a full year of Under 17s at Centrals.

I was told this info from a president of a amatuer football club.

more than happy to concede it will be 2009.

In 2009 a kid in the same situation will get drafted after playing a full year of u/18s....

The good young kids will still play U/18s or 19s even if they are 15 or 16....

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if Giles couldnt make the U19 team in 2005.

can you explain to me how he would of made it in two years time being everything equal ???

or is it just an automatic assumption you have that everything regarding the SANFL will be fine tas.

[am Bays]

if Giles couldnt make the U19 team in 2005.

can you explain to me how he would of made it in two years time being everything equal ???

or is it just an automatic assumption you have that everything regarding the SANFL will be fine tas.

FFS If any kid let alone Giles is good enough to get drafted - he is going to make a SANFL U/18 or 19s team.....

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bang up job Fantasia. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He lives next door to me, Jars, so i can ask him if you like!

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if Giles couldnt make the U19 team in 2005.

can you explain to me how he would of made it in two years time being everything equal ???

or is it just an automatic assumption you have that everything regarding the SANFL will be fine tas.

FFS If any kid let alone Giles is good enough to get drafted - he is going to make a SANFL U/18 or 19s team.....

that isnt an explanation Tas thats a tirade.

Jonathon Giles DID NOT make the grade at Under 19s in 2005. so how would he in 2009 being everything equal. ??

and if he doesnt have the oppurtunity ??? how will he get drafted ????

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ask fantasia how did walker get to the crows without being drafted ???

does he think that is fair.

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Most clubs are open slather for juniors at 17s and 19s level, yes some kids get asked but you'll find any kid in a club's zone is welcome to try out for pre-season.

Shame local clubs or league don't get around to the kids and let them know that.

I know 3 local clubs that still tell the kids that the league will invite them, kids wait for nothing.

Funny how some of these kids are now playing reserves at 17/18 and yet the kids that went to leaue clubs ahead of them haven't made the grade... I think 17s is important for kids to learn the correct way to pick up the skills required.

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if Giles couldnt make the U19 team in 2005.

can you explain to me how he would of made it in two years time being everything equal ???

or is it just an automatic assumption you have that everything regarding the SANFL will be fine tas.

FFS If any kid let alone Giles is good enough to get drafted - he is going to make a SANFL U/18 or 19s team.....

that isnt an explanation Tas thats a tirade.

Jonathon Giles DID NOT make the grade at Under 19s in 2005. so how would he in 2009 being everything equal. ??

and if he doesnt have the oppurtunity ??? how will he get drafted ????

WHY didn't he make they grade at Centrals, did they fail to realise his potential? How many of the "woodducks" u/19s that were picked ahead of him at Centrals are still there playing ressies, league or are on an AFL list?? In other words there are always players in the 19s who get a game becasue of their physical size not so much their relaitive or potential ability - they aren't going to progress in their footy apart from playing local footy with their mates (nothing wrong with that). Clubs will not be wasting resources on players who clearly aren't going to progress from the 19s to senior footy.

You can't tell me he wasn't good enough to play U/19s in 2005, I bet he would have played U/19s or U/18s (whatever it is going to be) at Centrals in 2005 if that was the only grade available for him to be selected in. I wouldn't mind betting he was held back as the Centrals 17s were a chance at a flag where as the 19s were not contenders.

Also was picked from Centrals U/17s or from the his performances at the national U/16 carnival (or was he even part of the teal Cup team??)

Most AFL clubs base selections on how they go in those competitions - what they do in the SANFL junior comps is merely confirms or denies their drafting intentions.

Also GD, the talant development pathway (do you know what a talent pathway is??) for footy has many entry points and identification streams (state squads, country carnivals, league junior squads and mature age entry through league teams) this merely refines one of those entry and identification streams.

Spot U/17s is almost too late to teach the basic skills. Motor development studies show the age for develeoping skils is earlier than that, and that the bad habits developed before that are hard to train out of 15 and 16 yos

You'll find that with the 17s disappearing clubs will spend more time on their spcial squads 13s, 1s and 15s developing those skills.

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if Giles couldnt make the U19 team in 2005.

can you explain to me how he would of made it in two years time being everything equal ???

or is it just an automatic assumption you have that everything regarding the SANFL will be fine tas.

FFS If any kid let alone Giles is good enough to get drafted - he is going to make a SANFL U/18 or 19s team.....

that isnt an explanation Tas thats a tirade.

Jonathon Giles DID NOT make the grade at Under 19s in 2005. so how would he in 2009 being everything equal. ??

and if he doesnt have the oppurtunity ??? how will he get drafted ????

WHY didn't he make they grade at Centrals, did they fail to realise his potential? How many of the "woodducks" u/19s that were picked ahead of him at Centrals are still there playing ressies, league or are on an AFL list?? In other words there are always players in the 19s who get a game becasue of their physical size not so much their relaitive or potential ability - they aren't going to progress in their footy apart from playing local footy with their mates (nothing wrong with that). Clubs will not be wasting resources on players who clearly aren't going to progress from the 19s to senior footy.

You can't tell me he wasn't good enough to play U/19s in 2005, I bet he would have played U/19s or U/18s (whatever it is going to be) at Centrals in 2005 if that was the only grade available for him to be selected in. I wouldn't mind betting he was held back as the Centrals 17s were a chance at a flag where as the 19s were not contenders.
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Ill gladly take that bet Tas. How much you want on it ???

YOu sure it couldnt be Centrals had alot of Ruckman in their squad that year and he wasnt physically developed enough to go up against 19 year old ruckman who would be physically alot bigger.

But still talented enough to be drafted onto an afl list. This isnt impossible Tas. Giles isnt the only guy on an afl list drafted from playing Under 17s either. He is just the last one i could think of there has been a few.

I cant agree with the theory that these skinny young 17 year old kid ruckman like Giles will miraculously dissapear in two years time. Dont think it will help their career path much either competing against much bigger less talented 19 year olds each week either. Sorry i cant just assume everything will be fine in two years like yourself.

Question has to be asked Without this exposure. How much will it hurt their afl careers ??. It is closing off a major developement pathway for our juniors is how i see it Tas.