Proof that Sheedy doesn't know what he's doing.

[Adelaide Hawk]

Watching Central play on the weekend, how in hell aren't Paul Thomas and Adrian Wilson good enough to be on Essendon's list at the moment? Is Sheedy honestly trying to tell us they have 40 players better than Thomas and Wilson?

When my club loses a player to the AFL, we never see him again. Central are getting theirs back. How are we ever going to catch up with them?

[stan]

Watching Central play on the weekend, how in hell aren't Paul Thomas and Adrian Wilson good enough to be on Essendon's list at the moment? Is Sheedy honestly trying to tell us they have 40 players better than Thomas and Wilson?

When my club loses a player to the AFL, we never see him again. Central are getting theirs back. How are we ever going to catch up with them?

Sheedy likes old hacks instead of young up and comers. Thomas should definitly still be there. I think he had plenty to offer essendon and in the games he played for them i thought he wasnt bad. I really think sheedy also didnt play thomas in the correct role. He is at his best when hes running off and creating. Which is basically what AFL is these days, Half back flankers rack up 20 - 30 touches and create oppertunities up the field. I think thomas would have been suited to that sort of role.

[Blue Boy]

Watching Central play on the weekend, how in hell aren't Paul Thomas and Adrian Wilson good enough to be on Essendon's list at the moment? Is Sheedy honestly trying to tell us they have 40 players better than Thomas and Wilson?

When my club loses a player to the AFL, we never see him again. Central are getting theirs back. How are we ever going to catch up with them?

I rekon Thomas has a red hot go and is a very good player who plays with his heart on his sleeve - but his decision making can let him down.

With Wilson the 2 lovett boys are probably in the same mold and were above him on the pecking order - saying that though it wouldnt hurt another club to rookie list him again. I know the crows were pretty keen when Essendon snaffled him !!!

[Jimmy]

is monfries getting a game atm?

[Adelaide Hawk]

is monfries getting a game atm?

Yes, he's played all 12 games and kicked 13 goals. He's done okay but as you may appreciate, it's difficult for young players to perform well in poor sides.

[Blue Boy]

is monfries getting a game atm?

Yes, he's played all 12 games and kicked 13 goals. He's done okay but as you may appreciate, it's difficult for young players to perform well in poor sides.

He has been in the best players a couple of times.

I saw him at Unley a couple of weeks ago watchin the Blue baggers !!!

[John_Fidge]

Watching Central play on the weekend, how in hell aren't Paul Thomas and Adrian Wilson good enough to be on Essendon's list at the moment? Is Sheedy honestly trying to tell us they have 40 players better than Thomas and Wilson?

When my club loses a player to the AFL, we never see him again. Central are getting theirs back. How are we ever going to catch up with them?

No they don't have 40 players better than them at the moment but they have players who will eventually be better than them. I think he has done a good job of getting rid of the dead wood and now it's a list of youth with the rest being good players and clubmen such as the Johnsons, Mcveigh etc. The ratbags such as Cupido and Zantuck were shown the door. There isn't really anyone on their list that you can say will never make it or shouldn't be on an AFL list. Last year there were many in that category. Now their youth will gain experience, Lloyd will be back next year and they will likely have Bryce Gibbs and some other prime youngsters from the draft with priority picks at the end of round 1. It will take a while but they will be back and I believe he has taken the first step towards this.

[mal]

Good coach good team pattern good results will come.

Sheeds is a legend.

[sydney-dog]

mal

Sheedy has conned the footy public

how can you say he has a good team pattern, he has developed an entire game plan around one player, now this player is injured he has come up with nothing..... no structure and no game plan. building a game plan around one player went out in the 90's

his recruiting strategy since 2000 is nothing short of disgraceful and he should be held accountable

talking about someone cashing in on past reputation, but he is doing his best to convince the footy public that it'is the recession Essendon had to have

for years he tried to convince us that Essendon was a haed nut side, reality is they have the worse travelling record in the AFL

Sheedy was good in his time but his time has past him

[mal]

The draft stuffed up Essendon.
When you cant get early picks your forced to pick recycled players sometimes.
This year instead of finishing midfield the club incorrectly will get rewarded
with the cream of the young players in the land if they spoon dwell.

And SDOG before you blow your trumpet about Adelaide being so good without draft picks
they are an exception to the rule.

What would be a good trade would be Sheedy to SK and Thomas to ES.

[sydney-dog]

Mal

2000 draft
the bombers top two picks used on James Davies at 17, who managed just three games, and then Ted Richards (pick 27)

2001
traded pick 18 for Shane Harvey
Pick 31 was used on Reynolds
Andrew Welsh at pick 47

2002
the Bombers chose Jason Laycock and Jason Winderlich at picks 10 and 11 respectively
they used their third pick on Darren Walsh played just two games.

2003
The Bombers traded valuable draft picks for recycled players from other clubs, they recruited ageing Carlton pair Matthew Allan and Justin Murphy and Mark Alvey from the Bulldogs - all now gone from the list having played barely 50 games between them for Essendon.

In regard to Adelaide, we have not been exceptional with our picks, yes in the last couple of years we have seen improvement with our selections but as all clubs we have had our misses.

I was critical when the club went for Carey and Burns, this back fired on Ayres, now he is not their, Sheedy has a deep history in recycling players, what value has Campo brought to the club (zero)........ and not to mention Hefferman, too many mistakes

Alvey, Murphy, Campo, Hefferman, Harvey, Alan all traded for quality picks

Recycling players might give you something in year 1 as they have something to prove but longer term it does not work, just ask Carlton and North Melbourne.......

Your comments regarding game plan, what game plan, he built a structure and style around the velvet sledge hammer, this is not NRL where you build a game around the half back or 5/8, history shows if you build a plan entirely around your stars you will fail

[mal]

SD

5 wasted years but no excuses if they finish bottom this year.

Like I said good coach good team pattern good results will come.
I didnt mention the last 5 years of hack recruiting I realise that.
But Im relating to this year in essence.
He could flood, tag, kick sideways and win more often this year
or he can educate his players to learn basic footy fundamentals
by playing offensive footy.
Mark Williams was widely criticised in this forum this year, but he never wavered
of that offensive gameplan and hence he has fast tracked his team.
CA-RI-HW-KA play dour unattractive flooding negative football and
this will earn some short term respectability but these teams are likely
to be long term middle of the road ordinary teams.

Coincidently Essendons best and longest reigns in the AFL were achieved at the MCG
Shifting from there coincided with thier decline after 2001.

[am Bays]

SD

Coincidently Essendons best and longest reigns in the AFL were achieved at the MCG
Shifting from there coincided with thier decline after 2001.

ROFLMAO - Gold Mal, bringing Telstra DOOM into the arguement!!!!!

[Blue Boy]

Mal

2000 draft
the bombers top two picks used on James Davies at 17, who managed just three games, and then Ted Richards (pick 27)

2001
traded pick 18 for Shane Harvey
Pick 31 was used on Reynolds
Andrew Welsh at pick 47

2002
the Bombers chose Jason Laycock and Jason Winderlich at picks 10 and 11 respectively
they used their third pick on Darren Walsh played just two games.

2003
The Bombers traded valuable draft picks for recycled players from other clubs, they recruited ageing Carlton pair Matthew Allan and Justin Murphy and Mark Alvey from the Bulldogs - all now gone from the list having played barely 50 games between them for Essendon.

In regard to Adelaide, we have not been exceptional with our picks, yes in the last couple of years we have seen improvement with our selections but as all clubs we have had our misses.

I was critical when the club went for Carey and Burns, this back fired on Ayres, now he is not their, Sheedy has a deep history in recycling players, what value has Campo brought to the club (zero)........ and not to mention Hefferman, too many mistakes

Alvey, Murphy, Campo, Hefferman, Harvey, Alan all traded for quality picks

Recycling players might give you something in year 1 as they have something to prove but longer term it does not work, just ask Carlton and North Melbourne.......

Your comments regarding game plan, what game plan, he built a structure and style around the velvet sledge hammer, this is not NRL where you build a game around the half back or 5/8, history shows if you build a plan entirely around your stars you will fail

Syd

Dont be to critical on the crows draft picks - we actually have done alright !!!

There will always be some exceptions but generally we have managed what we have got really well !!

[Maddogmike]

sydney dog - Wayne Carey was fantastic for the Adelaide Footy Club on the field. He taught the likes of Hentschel, Bock, Mcgregor enormously and I think he has played a part in helping us be a strong team in the AFL since his retirement.

[mal]

M/MIKE

Good point about Careys influence.
He is aso the forwards coach at Collingwood.

[FlyingHigh]

Agree, Carey had a big influence on some of the forwards - Perrie is another who improved a great deal when Carey came.

But Sheedy's time is past. I have always thought just the one flag between 1999-2002 with the teams they had was a poor effort, and the coaching was to blame because he complicated what should be a simple game, esp when you have the best list in the competition.

[sydney-dog]

honestly, how can we honestly measure Carey's influence on Bock, McGregor, Hentschel and Perrie, we are basing this on assumptions, obviously Craigy has had nothing to do with these boys development

Lets remember, Rutten and Bock were not evenm in the team when Carey was playing and Perrie was in and out of the side during Carey's time at the club.... nwhile Hentshel development has taken time but how can anyone of us sit here and say thet Carey has played a significant role in the development of these players, I think you boys are selling Craigy a bit short here

In regards to the Crows recruiting, my point is that I think the club is recruiting and developing players better now then it ever has, the reason is, they seem to have a clear recruiting strategy and they have a better structure in place in reegards to developing these kids, while 5 years ago, Im not sure if we were doing it as well