Security at sporting events

[Dogwatcher]

The question must be asked, what is Weslo's policy when incidents do begin?

Maybe they're instructed to stand back and watch, in order to identify the troublemakers and also avoid litigation for wrong handling?

This is a serious question - because they always stand back at sporting events.

Also, at music festivals you need one security person for approximately every hundred punters. It would seem this figure is different for football. Why so?

[smac]

Good question mate - have to wonder how the hell they have the market cornered. Have to wonder how serious the SANFL are, they haven't publicly said a thing this week, when they should be on the front foot about security arrangements to assist in building crowds.

They would need to give a crap to do that though.

[heater31]

Sgt. Schultz "I seeeeeeeee nothing, I seeeeeeeee nothing" policy me thinks

The only time I have ever seen a weslo staff member take action is on the hill at the cricket usually late in the day after tea and only because the cops are standing over them also they decide to act

[therisingblues]

Not having seen any of these situations first hand, my guess would be that they usually wait until there's enough of them to go into a situation. I read on one of the other threads about crowd violence that somebody saw a lone security gaurd dawdling when there was a fight taking place not far away. I'd think they'd be under instructions not to do anything too heroic or "stupid" and to ensure there's always another guard close by to watch their backs if they are going into a blue. If one of these guys were to go in and try and control matters without waiting for support, and then got beaten up pretty badly himself, I think most people would say that he was stupid to have gone in alone. Does this fit the situations we are talking about here or am I going the wrong way with this?

[heater31]

yeah thats pretty much it theri, but why dont these guys walk in groups of two like coppers do?????? it must work if the police force use it for operational purposes

[oldfella]

I think you will find that the weslo staff is hired primarily for the protection of the umpires not for crowd control.

[RoosterMarty]

Melbourne's version of Weslo (can't remember their name) don't hang back, at the A-League Grand Final they went straight in and grabbed whoever was causing trouble and kicked them out immediately.

[Dan The Man]

Weslo are probably too busy checking peoples bags for cans of Pepsi Max instead of doing any real security work.

[Dogwatcher]

Melbourne's version of Weslo (can't remember their name) don't hang back, at the A-League Grand Final they went straight in and grabbed whoever was causing trouble and kicked them out immediately.

Interesting. At least they've got a real idea of who the culprits are when they are ditching people out.

[Thiele]

wonder what the security will be like at Berri in a couple weeks time

[Dogwatcher]

Why do you say that Thiele?

[Ian]

wonder what the security will be like at Berri in a couple weeks time

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[Thiele]

Why do you say that Thiele?

Just wondering

[heater31]

Kirs Grant on ch 10 tonight has said that there would be 15 security guards on duty tomorrow night for a predicted crowd of 10,000. Not enough in my book

[Hondo]

The footy crowd isn't like the same as a music festival crowd so you wouldn't need 1 for every 100 spectators because a % of the expected 10,000 would be older people, kids, families, club officials, etc. Music festivals you have big groups of people bunched up in close proximity ... just not the same. Anyone who has been to the Big Day Out and been to an SANFL game will know what I am getting at.

So you'd need enough on hand to deal with the rowdy crowd (tanked and/or up for the biff) which, I dunno, would be max 200? Probably less?

I reckon 15 security is enough. Police can be called in if things get out of control which is very unlikely.

[Dog_ger]

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[Wedgie]

Kirs Grant on ch 10 tonight has said that there would be 15 security guards on duty tomorrow night for a predicted crowd of 10,000. Not enough in my book

Weird, as according to Kris during the last week its only Norwood Oval that has security issues, why would he employ so many security guards if its not at Norwood Oval?

Poor old bugger must have alzheimers, doesn't seem to remember something from one day to the next.

[am Bays]

Kirs Grant on ch 10 tonight has said that there would be 15 security guards on duty tomorrow night for a predicted crowd of 10,000. Not enough in my book

Weird, as according to Kris during the last week its only Norwood Oval that has security issues, why would he employ so many security guards if its not at Norwood Oval?

Poor old bugger must have alzheimers, doesn't seem to remember something from one day to the next.

To stop people from taking photos of the purveyors of such violence??
If there's no evidence it didn't happen...

[Dogwatcher]

The footy crowd isn't like the same as a music festival crowd so you wouldn't need 1 for every 100 spectators because a % of the expected 10,000 would be older people, kids, families, club officials, etc. Music festivals you have big groups of people bunched up in close proximity ... just not the same. Anyone who has been to the Big Day Out and been to an SANFL game will know what I am getting at.

So you'd need enough on hand to deal with the rowdy crowd (tanked and/or up for the biff) which, I dunno, would be max 200? Probably less?

I reckon 15 security is enough. Police can be called in if things get out of control which is very unlikely.

Agreed that a footy crowd is different in some ways.
But - I certainly don't think the numbers of security right now are enough - mainly because of the way they seem to handle things.

I was using the example of a festival as an example, as that's something I've been involved with. The numbers of security present is a licencing thing, so again, what are the licencing laws for a footy match?

[Dogwatcher]

Weird, as according to Kris during the last week its only Norwood Oval that has security issues, why would he employ so many security guards if its not at Norwood Oval?

That's because in the past week there HAVE only been issues at Norwood Oval.

And can you blame him for putting extra security on after the media attention from the past week. I'm sure Norwood would have increased there's too if they were hosting another night game.

And Wedgie, by your logic, damned if he did add extra security and damned if he didn't.

Also - a general observation, looking at most people's postings, it's not HOW many security there is, but WHAT they do, or in the perceived cases DON'T do.