was the umpiring really that bad?

[Jimmy]

any neutral fans out there attend the north v eagles game yesterday? I would like to get your opinions on it whether you saw it live or on tv. I have heard it was a great spectacle to watch and display for our great comp, but after reading the match thread, my jaw dropped at some of the posts and accusations of cheating made. I really havent seen that level of hate or crying about the umps ever before since i come on board footy forums june of 03.

it all starts in your own backyard and not with the men in white. Altho some north fans have acknowledged their team were beaten by a better team on the day.

So just interested in the thoughts of non eags/north fans on this one, thanks.

[Wedgie]

See Scott's analysis of the game, he's a South supporter so shows no bias in his stats,it'll give you a pretty good idea of one of the more important stats:

http://www.safooty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9761

Also have a look at my analysis in the North v Eagles thread as it covers goals for both sides that were umpire influenced or not influenced by the umpire and you'll notice its not as though Ive gone through and said every Eagles goal was as a result of poor umpiring, I do give credit where its due you'll notice.

[SnappyTom]

any neutral fans out there attend the north v eagles game yesterday? I would like to get your opinions on it whether you saw it live or on tv. I have heard it was a great spectacle to watch and display for our great comp, but after reading the match thread, my jaw dropped at some of the posts and accusations of cheating made. I really havent seen that level of hate or crying about the umps ever before since i come on board footy forums june of 03.

it all starts in your own backyard and not with the men in white. Altho some north fans have acknowledged their team were beaten by a better team on the day.

So just interested in the thoughts of non eags/north fans on this one, thanks.

Inconsistent, to say the least.
The volume of frees for the game was insignificant- what they were paid for, and where, is what counted.
And holding-the-ball has undergone an amazing transformation over the last few weekends, again yesterday.
Just my assessment.

[Jimmy]

See Scott's analysis of the game, he's a South supporter so shows no bias in his stats,it'll give you a pretty good idea of one of the more important stats:

http://www.safooty.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9761

Also have a look at my analysis in the North v Eagles thread as it covers goals for both sides that were umpire influenced or not influenced by the umpire and you'll notice its not as though Ive gone through and said every Eagles goal was as a result of poor umpiring, I do give credit where its due you'll notice.

yeah saw that, interesting.

edit: about scotts stats, those were very interesting, as whisper says, north got just as much of it and more but lost the game, they had their chances by the looks of it.

[The Whisper]

There have been a lot better displays; there have been considerably worse.

Certainly some contentious ones in there, from watching on TV - one AFL listed umpire in particular was rather hot on contact made. Having said that, Josh Coulter's outbursts at times were simply inexcusable at crucial moments. O'Hara gained the benefit of two infringements before the bounce after goals. McGregor was a touch lucky to get the benefit of a couple of touchy ones. To say it was the worst umpiring for a long time, as at least one fan said, is a bit over the top. Having said that - holding the ball seems to have changed in interpretation a fair bit.

North players who put their head over the ball and worked hard at the contest tended to be rewarded - Ivens and Younie come to mind at times - although this could also be said for Luke Jarrad and Brodie Lomas. Ben Schwarze got two quite tiggy ones however.

Bottom line is - North won the possessions, had more marks, more hitouts and had more scoring shots. Can't exactly blame the umpires in entirety for dropping this one.

[once_were_warriors]

Should have give a box of tissues at the gate for some of these chook supporters.

I acknowledge that bad decisions , 50/50's in front of goal hurt a side.

But to analyse how free kicks down the field turn into goals is speculative at best.

If a dubious free kick is given outside 50, ball goes into teams forward line and then there are continuous ball ups and throw ins and after two minutes a goal is snapped from a ball up , is the previous free kick the reason for this goal?

Or if a boundary throw in goes over the ruck and someone swoops on it and a goal results , is this a bad decision?

You can sook all you like about umpires making bad decisions but too call them cheats and actually truely believe that they are makes you one donut short of a birthday party

[Wedgie]

Should have give a box of tissues at the gate for some of these chook supporters.

Would have made up for the non existant donut.

[Dan The Man]

They didn't have Craig Doddridge umpiring them yesterday.He can usually be relied upon to give North a few soft free kicks.

[Dutchy]

Does anyone else get bored with complaints about Umpires? People have been whingeing about them ever since the first ball was bounced in the day dot....alright on one day you might get a raw deal but over the whole season Im sure it pretty much evens up, it would be very rare to get a raw deal for the whole season, some days it goes your way sometimes it doesnt...its something we cant control so better of having a yell for 2 seconds at the time and then concentrating on the next contest, trust me you will feel better...

[Mic]

I agree, it can be annoying to read whinging about how umpires cost a team the game. But to totally contradict myself, I thought the umpires cost us the game yesterday.

[eddie-eagle]

Should have give a box of tissues at the gate for some of these chook supporters.

You can sook all you like about umpires making bad decisions but too call them cheats and actually truely believe that they are makes you one donut short of a birthday party

Totally agree OWW, a bigger bunch of agro, whinging, whining, bleating cocks you would struggle to see. Some poor red/purple faced rooster fans made david parkins famous vein look like nothing.

With their inclusions to not win that game, with more possessions, and more forward fifty entries, they need to consider that they were not good enough to win a crucial match in the race for the double chance. Or even shock horror that the opposition maybe played some reasonable footy!!!.

[Wedgie]

Come on fellas, we try to keep the conversations at SA Footy at an adult level.
Don't revert to pathetic name calling and generalisations, its childish, pathetic and paints yourself in a very bad light.
I'd actually warn you for trolling if it was directed at another team's fans but I don't want to be seen as biased.
Perhaps take a page out of my book and look at my compliments to the Eagles fans I encountered this weekend with no abuse.
Cheers.

[ferret]

It shows what a disciplined team the Eagles is by not giving away frees in front of goals.

[Aerie]

Come on fellas, we try to keep the conversations at SA Footy at an adult level.
Don't revert to pathetic name calling and generalisations, its childish, pathetic and paints yourself in a very bad light.
I'd actually warn you for trolling if it was directed at another team's fans but I don't want to be seen as biased.
Perhaps take a page out of my book and look at my compliments to the Eagles fans I encountered this weekend with no abuse.
Cheers.

Oh dear...

People with a reasonable level of intelligence see right through you mate...

[Wedgie]

It shows what a disciplined team the Eagles is by not giving away frees in front of goals.

That's not a bad point actually because the frees were 24-23 Norths way yet the Eagles got 5 goals from free kicks so if you take that out of the equation it was 24-18 the Eagles way in general play, they obviously no where they can be a bit more undisciplined and where they need to be more careful, probably the sign of a very mature football team more than pot luck.

[Wedgie]

Come on fellas, we try to keep the conversations at SA Footy at an adult level.
Don't revert to pathetic name calling and generalisations, its childish, pathetic and paints yourself in a very bad light.
I'd actually warn you for trolling if it was directed at another team's fans but I don't want to be seen as biased.
Perhaps take a page out of my book and look at my compliments to the Eagles fans I encountered this weekend with no abuse.
Cheers.

Oh dear...

People with a reasonable level of intelligence see right through you mate...

Mate, please re-read it and take it onboard, the generalisations are pathetic enough but you don't have to get personal which is even lower again. Just a simple request I would have thought.

[Mic]

Should have give a box of tissues at the gate for some of these chook supporters.

You can sook all you like about umpires making bad decisions but too call them cheats and actually truely believe that they are makes you one donut short of a birthday party

Totally agree OWW, a bigger bunch of agro, whinging, whining, bleating cocks you would struggle to see. Some poor red/purple faced rooster fans made david parkins famous vein look like nothing.

With their inclusions to not win that game, with more possessions, and more forward fifty entries, they need to consider that they were not good enough to win a crucial match in the race for the double chance. Or even shock horror that the opposition maybe played some reasonable footy!!!.

It might have been due to bullshit umpiring decisions costing us the game, which may cost us 3rd spot, which may cost us a good chance of winning a premiership.

[eddie-eagle]

deleted by eddie eagle himself.

Needed to be clarified

[Wedgie]

Can I just point out that the above post was not deleted by a moderator or myself, it was just what eddie-eagle typed after editting his post I assume. Just didn't want people to get the wrong idea.

[once_were_warriors]

Can I just point out that the above post was not deleted by a moderator or myself, it was just what eddie-eagle typed after editting his post I assume. Just didn't want people to get the wrong idea.

Eadie please confirm that this is the case and you haven't been silenced