AFL RESERVES

[CUTTERMAN]

I think the SANFL comp needs to be protected as much as possible. If, for example, the SANFL is compromised to the degree that the VFL currently is the standard will diminish radically. At the moment AFL clubs can look at SANFL clubs and see what players are performing at a intense and high level against grown bodies and knowing that every club and player out there is doing whatever they can to win. At the moment there's many players and coaches in the VFL that are more concerned with the individual efforts rather than a team goal of winning games and flags. Look at how AFL clubs now rate Norwoods program, look just how well mature SANFL players have dovetailed into the AFL almost immediately when recruited as rookies or as a stop gap measure. Without the drive and desire in the SANFL at a high level to play for Premierships, surely the ability to get a good idea of a players true measure will be undermined. The SANFL is a great tool for AFL clubs, tamper with it at your own peril.

[sjt]

Port have raised having a reserves team in the SANFL several times - directly and indirectly.
The Crows have never raised it first, only said, "If they had one we would then want one too."

The SANFL is not owned by the AFL teams, the AFL teams are sub-licensees of the SANFL.
Reasonably, no SANFL team is going to want players they have developed playing against them, or taken away to play in a VFL team.

I'd rather cut the AFL teams loose than let them wreck the SANFL any more.
Forget it Port, you've already done enough damage by triggering the whole AFL thing in SA anyway...

I'm pretty sure Sanderson recently raised it, hence why it's become topical again.
I've heard Port say previously it's a low priority as it's cost prohibitive.

[Psyber]

Port have raised having a reserves team in the SANFL several times - directly and indirectly.
The Crows have never raised it first, only said, "If they had one we would then want one too."

The SANFL is not owned by the AFL teams, the AFL teams are sub-licensees of the SANFL.
Reasonably, no SANFL team is going to want players they have developed playing against them, or taken away to play in a VFL team.

I'd rather cut the AFL teams loose than let them wreck the SANFL any more.
Forget it Port, you've already done enough damage by triggering the whole AFL thing in SA anyway...

I'm pretty sure Sanderson recently raised it, hence why it's become topical again.
I've heard Port say previously it's a low priority as it's cost prohibitive.

I remember hearing Sanderson comment on it on TV recently when an interviewer raised it.
The Power already have the Magpies they now administer, and support with SANFL help - all they need is to grab a few players..

[CENTURION]

My concern is if there is an AFL Reserves competition formed then where will all the players come from? You'd need an AFL squad of about 60-65 to ensure there are enough players. If around 200 players are taken out of the SANFL/WAFL etc to make sure there is enough players to field reserves teams then where does that leave our comp? We'd need to be able to offer more to players to counteract what they'd get if they were playing AFL reserves so they'd choose a State League career ahead of an AFL Reserves career.

why would players leave the SANFL to play in that comp, if they damn well know in their own minds that they won't make it?

[sjt]

My concern is if there is an AFL Reserves competition formed then where will all the players come from? You'd need an AFL squad of about 60-65 to ensure there are enough players. If around 200 players are taken out of the SANFL/WAFL etc to make sure there is enough players to field reserves teams then where does that leave our comp? We'd need to be able to offer more to players to counteract what they'd get if they were playing AFL reserves so they'd choose a State League career ahead of an AFL Reserves career.

why would players leave the SANFL to play in that comp, if they damn well know in their own minds that they won't make it?

If they know in their own minds then I agree. However I could imagine the likes of Schiller, waldhunter, Hannath, vater, wittwer, Cullen etc leaving the comp if they're on the same crappy money, but also on a promise (even if false), that they have more chance entering the afl via an afl clubs reserves team.

[Gravel]

I don't think that AFL reserves sides into the VFL or a national AFL reserves comp is the best thing for the SANFL. The standard will be lower without the AFL players and likely some of the best young players will be lost as well. This will almost certainly have a negative impact on crowds/revenue.

[heater31]

I don't think that AFL reserves sides into the VFL or a national AFL reserves comp is the best thing for the SANFL. The standard will be lower without the AFL players and likely some of the best young players will be lost as well. This will almost certainly have a negative impact on crowds/revenue.

There you go, The AFL clubs in both Adelaide and Perth should just accept it as a fact of life that if they don't select players for them then they are going to loan them the the a local league club and there they have limited input into how they are used.

[CENTURION]

I disagree, it would reduce confusion amongst players & supporters as to who is or isn't playing PLUS the kids in the 2's that are deserving of a league game will get their chance to shine sooner, thus potentially uncovering a new rising star.

[Mr Fuller]

I think the SANFL comp needs to be protected as much as possible. If, for example, the SANFL is compromised to the degree that the VFL currently is the standard will diminish radically. At the moment AFL clubs can look at SANFL clubs and see what players are performing at a intense and high level against grown bodies and knowing that every club and player out there is doing whatever they can to win. At the moment there's many players and coaches in the VFL that are more concerned with the individual efforts rather than a team goal of winning games and flags. Look at how AFL clubs now rate Norwoods program, look just how well mature SANFL players have dovetailed into the AFL almost immediately when recruited as rookies or as a stop gap measure. Without the drive and desire in the SANFL at a high level to play for Premierships, surely the ability to get a good idea of a players true measure will be undermined. The SANFL is a great tool for AFL clubs, tamper with it at your own peril.

Conversely look at how many AFL discards struggle to transition to play at a consistently high standard in the SANFL. IMO if a player has played 20+ games of AFL then they should be able to dominate in the SANFL. Very few do (case in point this year Eddy has really struggled). What this demonstrates is that the top SANFL betters are at least as good (if not better) then players #22-40 on AFL lists and demonstrates how high the standard is in the SANFL. It should not ever be diminished to satisfy selfish ends. Rucci can fk off!!!!

[Booney]

Port have raised having a reserves team in the SANFL several times - directly and indirectly.
The Crows have never raised it first, only said, "If they had one we would then want one too."

The SANFL is not owned by the AFL teams, the AFL teams are sub-licensees of the SANFL.
Reasonably, no SANFL team is going to want players they have developed playing against them, or taken away to play in a VFL team.

I'd rather cut the AFL teams loose than let them wreck the SANFL any more.
Forget it Port, you've already done enough damage by triggering the whole AFL thing in SA anyway... :evil:

Geez, topsy thinks beenreal is bitter. If he is, he hasn't been holding onto it for 22 years! Move on, FFS, it is 2012....

[story of my life]

Reakon he was dropped after the loss to Souf. I could be wrong!

Spot on Mattee G.

And beenreal, this Bays mate was staggered by one reasonable game, and he wants in on the board? Heaven help us.....

and he was hardly sighted against Norwood and Central, had some mates tho

[Ian]

Time doesn't change history, some will get over it, some wont, it was a low act by Port at the time but we have to get over it and work with what we have to work with now

[story of my life]

Time doesn't change history, some will get over it, some wont, it was a low act by Port at the time but we have to get over it and work with what we have to work with now

Agreed. But all we got out of it was a team for some South Australians and a team that costs all South Australians

[Booney]

Time doesn't change history, some will get over it, some wont, it was a low act by Port at the time but we have to get over it and work with what we have to work with now

Agreed. Who is to say we wouldn't be in the same position now without what took place in 89/90? Is a little reflective of what people generalise about when referring to the attitude in South Australia from the eastern states.

[once_were_warriors]

I suppose some want to acknowledge their history which started 125 years ago , yet would like to push to one side and forget the history of events that occured only 22 years ago.

[Ian]

I don't think Booney is ignoring it or making out it didn't happen, we are stuck with the results of what took place that time, all we can do is make the most of what we have to work with now, moaning about it now wont change history or make the future any better.

......and I am not supporting Port in any way here, they are still the original "Filth"

[Booney]

Correct.I cant defend what occured, not the first time I have typed these words on this site either.

I continually debate with my Eastern state colleagues the merits of living in Adelaide, they continually refer to the "little backwater" much to my chagrin, however, debates such as this just highlight how we have trouble moving into the present.

Move on.

[Ian]

......and I am not supporting Port in any way here, they are still the original "Filth"

Correct.

[whufc]

Is Brad Symes running around for Central collecting 30 possies a game really hurting the Crows. He could be playing with his other Crows mates topped up with 17-18yo kids in the SANFL chasing ass all day.

[Booney]

......and I am not supporting Port in any way here, they are still the original "Filth"

Correct.