Swan Districts AFL protest

[whufc]

Your still not getting it.

Its not just as simple as going ok next year the Crows/Power are playing in the league competition and everything stays the same except there is an extra game

That means it will be a 10 team comp, 2 of which wont have SANFL reserves sides, so at some point your reserves are going to have to play away from their league side. Also its well known the SANFL players who are only part time footballers enjoy the bye break giving them chances to go back and see family etc etc

Also are we going to move the SANFL season time frame around. Remembering as it stands the SANFL season goes a week later than the AFL season, eg, if the Crows AFL side failed to make the finals and the Crows reserve side made it to the SANFL final are they going to allow the extra players to play over a month longer than the rest of the list.

They are going to need somewhere around 10-15 top up players, where do these come from, are the SANFL clubs expected to give players up there.

Where are the Crows reserves going to play.

Throw in the fact there is all this to consider and the only benefit which is according to kickinit is that we wont have the hassle of having to make 1-2 changes a week which in actual fact the clubs really enjoy.

i could go on and on with other things that would have to change.

I'm still not getting it but you bring something completely different to the table?

If the crows where to have a reserves side in the league division then they should have a team team in the reserve division as well. Can still have the bye, the AFl have a even amount of teams and have a bye round. Could be split over 2 rounds like the AFL could all be at once or could even be 2 teams at a time.

Do you really think if the crows reserve made finals and the afl didn't the crows will nope our players ain't playing and pull the pin? yeh don't think that will happen.

Why would sanfl clubs have to give up players. They will get players that haven't been selected by a sanfl club. pick up players from other clubs that want to move. or recruit players from interstate. Just like every sanfl clubs does now when they need to fill a spot.

Crows reserves can use aami stadium or they can use adelaide oval if it isn't being used on a saturday. if they really wanted to they could build their own in years to come.

so in the future we won't hear any complaining about players being moved in and out or only playing certain game time and what not?

So you think the Crows will want to fork out the money for a third side of players, including salary, guernseys, medical costs, equipment etc etc to have a side running around which would have almost zero listed players in it and with no guarentee they would even make it to the Crows AFL list due to the national draft.

Its not that simple.

[kickinit]

Kickinit.
Lets forget about AFL, SANFL, PAFC and AFC.
Let us say, for example, you barracked for a team called The Wombats and I supported The Kookaburras, both have played in the same State Champions League for over 100 years, however the Kookaburras are now privately owned and are funded to participate in the newly formed Foxtel National Champions League.
The Wombats have a salary cap of $400k, have no possibility of drafting players from the Foxtel National Champions League Draft, (which is a draft of the nations best players young and old), they have no direct funding from the National Football Board (who oversee the game) and do not play in the Foxtel National Champions League.
The Kookaburras have a team in the SCL and in the FNCL. Due to participating in the FNCL they receive dividends at the end of each season from the NFB, these dividends amount to about 10million per year. The Kookaburras have a salary cap of 5million and access to the FNCL Draft in which they drafted 4 of The Wombats' best players from the previous year. All 4 are sons of previous Wombat greats, however, sadly they will never play for The Wombats again.
As a Wombats supporter Kickinit, do you think this is a fair playing field?
As a Wombats supporter Kickinit, are you happy with this outcome?
As a Wombats supporter Kickinit, do you feel cheated and dudded by the new rules that give the Wombats a massive handicap from the outset?

Yes it is a fair playing field, yes i'm happy with the outcome and no I don't feel cheated.

those 4 players of the wombats greats are going on to play in the highest skilled competition in the country. Might be a problem for some to a jnr of the club play for another, but would you want to see a kid not play to his full potential because there was a possibility he might have to have played against his jnr club?

[CUTTERMAN]

Kickinit, how can you possibly think that my scenario is a fair playing field? Really?
Wasn't it a few years ago when all Port supporters were crying "unfair" when the Magpies were out at Ethelton and when the first "one club" was voted down by the other clubs?
Baffling!

[whufc]

I would love to hear this

how is it fair to the SANFL clubs that the Crows Reserves side will be gifted 4-6 young gun footballers in the national draft (presuming their not playing AFL straight away, if they are it drops back other footballers) while the SANFL clubs have to pay anywhere up to 20K transfer fees to get their recruits.

[kickinit]

You are an IDIOT

So you think the Crows will want to fork out the money for a third side of players, including salary, guernseys, medical costs, equipment etc etc to have a side running around which would have almost zero listed players in it and with no guarentee they would even make it to the Crows AFL list due to the national draft.

Its not that simple.

I said the crows should have a third side, I didn't say they wanted a third side. They are going to have extra players anyway to cover injuries, which means they are going to have players that aren't playing football for them at some stage, just like sanfl clubs do now.

[whufc]

YEP ok your right everyone else is wrong!

[kickinit]

I would love to hear this

how is it fair to the SANFL clubs that the Crows Reserves side will be gifted 4-6 young gun footballers in the national draft (presuming their not playing AFL straight away, if they are it drops back other footballers) while the SANFL clubs have to pay anywhere up to 20K transfer fees to get their recruits.

So tell me this henderson and callian get put into the crows final 22. that leaves centrals with 0 afl listed players, but there playing a side that has all it's afl listed players playing . do you consider that to be unfair to centrals?

[JK]

I would love to hear this

how is it fair to the SANFL clubs that the Crows Reserves side will be gifted 4-6 young gun footballers in the national draft (presuming their not playing AFL straight away, if they are it drops back other footballers) while the SANFL clubs have to pay anywhere up to 20K transfer fees to get their recruits.

So tell me this henderson and callian get put into the crows final 22. that leaves centrals with 0 afl listed players, but there playing a side that has all it's afl listed players playing . do you consider that to be unfair to centrals?

LOL or you could just answer his question

[kickinit]

#-o
Kickinit, how can you possibly think that my scenario is a fair playing field? Really?
Wasn't it a few years ago when all Port supporters were crying "unfair" when the Magpies were out at Ethelton and when the first "one club" was voted down by the other clubs?
Baffling!

So i should think it's unfair a club has gone out and fought hard to put a team into a higher skilled competition. I've never cried unfair.

[whufc]

I would love to hear this

how is it fair to the SANFL clubs that the Crows Reserves side will be gifted 4-6 young gun footballers in the national draft (presuming their not playing AFL straight away, if they are it drops back other footballers) while the SANFL clubs have to pay anywhere up to 20K transfer fees to get their recruits.

So tell me this henderson and callian get put into the crows final 22. that leaves centrals with 0 afl listed players, but there playing a side that has all it's afl listed players playing . do you consider that to be unfair to centrals?

your missing the point AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAIN

the point is we would have to spend upwards of 80K to get 4 recruits to play for us while the Crows will be gifted these every year through the national draft.

GOODNIGHT!

[kickinit]

I would love to hear this

how is it fair to the SANFL clubs that the Crows Reserves side will be gifted 4-6 young gun footballers in the national draft (presuming their not playing AFL straight away, if they are it drops back other footballers) while the SANFL clubs have to pay anywhere up to 20K transfer fees to get their recruits.

So tell me this henderson and callian get put into the crows final 22. that leaves centrals with 0 afl listed players, but there playing a side that has all it's afl listed players playing . do you consider that to be unfair to centrals?

LOL or you could just answer his question

the 20k transfer fee has nothing to do with the argument, if this was a argument about how crappy the sanfl is run the yes it would. But according to WHUFC the other day majority of there recruits are from there u/18 side anyway.

[kickinit]

I would love to hear this

how is it fair to the SANFL clubs that the Crows Reserves side will be gifted 4-6 young gun footballers in the national draft (presuming their not playing AFL straight away, if they are it drops back other footballers) while the SANFL clubs have to pay anywhere up to 20K transfer fees to get their recruits.

So tell me this henderson and callian get put into the crows final 22. that leaves centrals with 0 afl listed players, but there playing a side that has all it's afl listed players playing . do you consider that to be unfair to centrals?

your missing the point AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAIN

the point is we would have to spend upwards of 80K to get 4 recruits to play for us while the Crows will be gifted these every year through the national draft.

GOODNIGHT!

blame the sanfl for the 80k, if centrals lost 4 of their best players to the afl draft next year to interstate clubs, does mean centrals won't have to spend 80k on new recruits? no that policy is in place now and until the sanfl remove it, it will be there.

[whufc]

I would love to hear this

how is it fair to the SANFL clubs that the Crows Reserves side will be gifted 4-6 young gun footballers in the national draft (presuming their not playing AFL straight away, if they are it drops back other footballers) while the SANFL clubs have to pay anywhere up to 20K transfer fees to get their recruits.

So tell me this henderson and callian get put into the crows final 22. that leaves centrals with 0 afl listed players, but there playing a side that has all it's afl listed players playing . do you consider that to be unfair to centrals?

your missing the point AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGAAAAAAAIN

the point is we would have to spend upwards of 80K to get 4 recruits to play for us while the Crows will be gifted these every year through the national draft.

GOODNIGHT!

blame the sanfl for the 80k, if centrals lost 4 of their best players to the afl draft next year to interstate clubs, does mean centrals won't have to spend 80k on new recruits? no that policy is in place now and until the sanfl remove it, it will be there.

Someone please explain to him about the transfer fees.

Im going to bed.

[whufc]

Stuff it one more crack, have a read kickinit.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/san ... 1117711932

once again you are WRONG the SANFL is against the transfer fee never mind setting it!!!

[CUTTERMAN]

Kickinit, you haven't answered my question about both afl reserves not playing for points in order to be in the SANFL.

[kickinit]

Stuff it one more crack, have a read kickinit.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/san ... 1117711932

once again you are WRONG the SANFL is against the transfer fee never mind setting it!!!

IDIOT!

do you think it's right though for a club to only pay 20k after the club he was recruited from has spent all this time and money on him as you say. I'm sure you where happy to only pay 20k for callian. your also forgetting the point of the afl clubs having to spend a lot more then 20k on a player to get them to take that next step to afl football. you are also forgetting that kid has nominated for the afl draft no one has forced hime to go in it, so obviously he's more committed to playing afl over sanfl. If he's also never going to go back to his original club means that he will more then likely not play for the reserves side or if he does it would be very minimal. A good rule to be bought in if he does get delisted then he should have the chance to either stay at the afl club reserves or go back to his original club, no question asked no transfer fee.

[kickinit]

Kickinit, you haven't answered my question about both afl reserves not playing for points in order to be in the SANFL.

if they where to do that then they might as well only play against each other. But if each team wasn't playing for points then the players would have anything to play for. then your not getting the best out of your players, which it would be a expensive and pointless thing to do.

[LPH]

Kickinit. Due to the unfair playing field between a Power or Adelaide reserves team and the other SANFL clubs (as I've tried to outline to you above, salary caps, drafts etc), would you accept that both AFL reserves clubs never play for points in the SANFL as a compromise?

I am NOT happy with this idea.
If I were a coach & my side was playing what is essentially a 'scratch match' - I wouldn't pick my strongest team, injuries?

The key point here is the lost integrity of the competition - just another 'feeder' comp.
I too will not pay to go & watch a 'feeder' comp.

Port supporters like kickinit have the advantage of having a team in both competitions - that's why the 2nd team should never have been named "PAFC".
This 'one club' receives all the benefits of a team in both (should the AFL reserves team in SANFL go ahead) - of course he & his 'kin' will support it.

The problem here is the WAFL model - which will be used for the Crows.

One SANFL Club will become (pardon the pun) more powerful - Sturt has been used as the example.
Forget "Wombats" - although I appreciate the analogy 'Cutters'

Let's say Gary McIntosh, Craig Balme, Roger Woodcock, Greg Turbull & Phil Gallager all have sons the same age ready to be drafted - all are drafted by AFC.
Without ever playing a game for Norwood, these kids play for Sturt.
Granted under the current arrangement they get to play League Footy on Norwood Oval (haha) but it seems absurd that they would play for one of Norwood's bitter rivals.

[Dogwatcher]

Kickinit, please head to Big Footy.

[CUTTERMAN]

Just trying to work out how open or closed Kickinits mindset is on this topic. I think it's neither open or closed, more like an ostrich with its head in the sand.
The whole thing is wrong on so many levels and for so many reasons.