Have the Magpies got some hard years ahead of them??

[whufc]

I find this topic very intresting im not a usual poster but have heard from a very very reliable source that J Clayton is very unhappy. From what this source was telling me who is very close to the action, this has lead clayton to speak to a couple of good mates from playing days in Victoria being the Gowans twins. In the end if the Gowans play on for another year which was not in their plans might have J Clayton in the center with them.

[Booney]

Please,please,this cant be true.Im not sure what is worse news,Clayton a possibility to go North up Salisbury Highway,or the Gowans' playing another year....

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If port get players back I wont want to be the loser of the qualifying final.

[whufc]

like i said it comes from a reliable source but obviously there would have to be a million and one things that would need to be sorted out first and we know port wouldn't let him go cheap thats for sure. It will be intresting though.

[BM]

Would be interested to know why J Clayton is so "unhappy". Surely cant be coin. Is it the coach? Is it the fact that Clive is such a tosser and by some reports is unsettling the group? Does J Clayton think he is the be and end all? Is it the fact that the recent performances of the pies have been ordinary? I seem to recall some mumblings early in the year about him maybe going to the Eagles. I also remember hearing him on the radio after his mag medal win saying how great the maggies were, great club, great blokes etc. How quick things can go pear shaped. He was close to being drafted last year so maybe he will be out the door anyway.

[whufc]

yeah it is interesting but my understanding which self admittedly isn't great is it has alot to do with the desire of the playing group and the reasons for some of the players being there. I've met the man a couple of times and he comes across alot like the Gowans a very intense footballer who wants to win at all costs and expects the same outta every one around which i don't think he feels his getting.

[drebin]

Might want to edit that post again Drebin,it appears you have used macca19's quote to dig at me?

whoops - sorry booney! fixed now

[Adelaide Hawk]

I find this topic very intresting im not a usual poster but have heard from a very very reliable source that J Clayton is very unhappy.

Be careful. I was abused on this forum earlier in the season for suggesting the same thing.

[am Bays]

Gravel,

I'm not that naive to suggest that all of Glenelg's problems can be put down to the formation of the Crows in 1990 or that we were the only club affected by it, however I will argue that it is the most significant of a number of factors that contributed to our "success" in the last 15 years and that arguable we were the SANFL club most affected by it .....See my posts on the SA history forum in the thread titled SA Footy metamorphisis in 1990 on the impact of the events on 1990 had on the Bays....

Some good points made by other posters, it is my supposition that the Magpies are lacking the onfield leadership and standard setting of Ginevar, Poole, Northeast etc where players stepping outside the team boundaries and discipline were pulled into line by the playing group. When it is the senior players in apparent conflict with the coach, (J Clayton and waterhouse) it is a dangerous sign.....

Once again I don't believe they will stoop to our depths of mediocrity over the next few years but the signs ATM don't look good from an outsiders point of view....

The other statement I'll make is don't rely on juniors to turn things around, juniors supplement the player group not make it as good recruits and expereinced current senior players are vitally important too. Didn't Westies win both junior grades in 2002, how has that translated to on-field success for them since 2003 ???

[Macca19]

I do agree about the junior grades thing. Most of the players dont reach senior level and anyone ultra decent would be snapped up by the AFL anyway. However, what Port need to do is make sure some of the talented ones stick around. We need to find more Biacsi/Jenner/Eichner types that end up good enough and are commited enough to play for the club. I did also mention that we do need to hang on to the AFL imports and continue to attract a couple of other s- namely a ruck and KPP.

As for Jezza. As someone said, pre season he was supposed to have quit the club and was seen training with the Eagles. Dont believe everything you hear. Its quite possible that he isnt happy. None of us would really know though. He is the most intense footballer ive seen at the club...very angry bloke. Whether its because he is bloody good and therefore expects that from everyone else I dont know but ive seen him numerous times go off his nut at his teammates, coaching staff, trainers etc. If he doesnt get re-drafted, hopefully he does stay on for next year

[am Bays]

Dont believe everything you hear.

Good point I meant to make a statement along those lines.....

Only half the lies you hear are true.....

[Macca19]

Drebin - In that North game earlier this year we were missing Fitzgerald, Jenner, Elstone, Wait, Evans, had Lokan injured in the opening 2 minutes. Wanganeen was also missing. Yes I will mention them, Kingsley, Stevens and Surjan all got promoted that week. We had to make 5 forced changes to the side for that week. No, missing AFL players is not an excuse, but when you have them all year and they all get promoted in the one week then you cannot deny that it unsettles team balance. So we had 6 regulars injured, another injured very early. So no, we werent full strength as you claim.

As for other clubs claiming AFL players. I think its a different situation. Eagles claiming they are missing Mcgregor, Hentschel, Biglands etc when they havent played there for three years is a big difference to Port fans claiming Stevens, Surjan, Kingsley and Wanganeen when all 4 have qualified for this years SANFL finals.

[ravendale rulz]

PAP - why dont they play Jamie Charmans brother from the reserves... rumour is the Power will draft him thats why they dont want anyone too see him in the league side.... the kid should get a game along with that Hall kid. Mikeljoke was shocking last week. Sack him

[Gravel]

1980 - I could not find that post. Can you provide a link. Thanks

[am Bays]

Go to the History forum on page two of the thread index (towards the bottom) is a thread title the SANFL metamorphesis, circa 1990. I have two posts on that thread, one on pg 1 and one on pg 2 where I detail my opinion on the effect of the Crows formation on the Glenleg Football Club[/url]

[Adelaide Hawk]

The other statement I'll make is don't rely on juniors to turn things around, juniors supplement the player group not make it as good recruits and expereinced current senior players are vitally important too. Didn't Westies win both junior grades in 2002, how has that translated to on-field success for them since 2003 ???

West Adelaide lost those kids in the national draft (including a No.1), that's why they have struggled. Norwood lost 6 juniors in the draft last year and you cannot thrive if you don't have the money to replace them. With the advent of the Crows, Norwod lost both their administrative and corporate structures and have struggled ever since, whereas some other clubs (one in particular) have been able to carry on relatively unaffected by SA's AFL involvement.

[Magpies_Forever]

Well we still do need some depth and in my view we are still rebuilding the side. we have a good 21 starting players but a[part from that there are alot of young players who still need time to develope their game.