THE SANFL/ AFL PLAYERS ROULETTE WHEEL.....a joke....

[Macca19]

Having said that, how many AFL players and specifically who will Port have available this week

Scott Stevens is the only player qualified for finals.

[Macca19]

The roulette wheel, if Glenelg beat South............
Logan, operation for a dislocated fingernail.
Willetts operation for facial removal from his left eardrum.

How often they are fit when playing AFL and then mysteriously
need end of season operations when thier AFL teams are eliminated
in the minor round or finals.

Degrading our once prestigious SANFL.

For what its worth, I cant recall a Port Power playing getting pulled before the SANFL finals to have surgery. Numerous Power players have played in SANFL premierships. Evans, Carr, Burgoyne, Fiegert, Guerra, M Stevens, Steinberner, Dew, French, Thurstans.

Logan is/was playing for his AFL future. If he doesnt want an AFL career and would rather play SANFL then he is free to quit our club whenever he wants.

And again I ask the question, do you think Logan and Willits are worth 10 goals to Glenelg?

The SANFL in its current state is a feeder competition. These players are contracted to their AFL clubs. If AFL clubs want to pull them for surgery so they can be fit in time for next pre season then tahts up to them. These are the facts.

There are three solutions.
1) Clubs recruit enough players so that AFL players are seen as a bonus instead of a neccesity - like North this year
2) All AFL players play for the same club which means no SANFL clubs get AFL player access
3) The AFL create its own reserves competition and AFL players never play SANFL again

But, the argument shouldnt be about what players are getting pulled for surgery, its why the rule is that they couldnt play this round but could play in finals. Ridiculous situation.

[mal]

MACCA the LOGAN/WILLETTS operations scenario I provided was a
hypothetical one, just did it for awareness.
Your club might not be the culprits on unavailablity, might be your rivals
who do it more often.
There have been instances the last few years I think WWT have been mostly
affected by end of season ops.

[Macca19]

TASSIE, the blueandwhiteprint of recruiting has superceded the
Glenelg philosophy of breeding, nuturing and developing young
excting mostly local talent.
The job Mickan has done with Douglas, Willetts, Sundquist, Gibbs,
Sellars and others is magnificent, but a WOFTAM.....

Equally well done is the job Pyman has done with Cupido, Archard
and Clarke this year when recruiting yese blokes.

I ask what is the better method....[ask Centrals]

The way you are going on its like Glenelg have no imports and havent had any for years, which is simply very false.

Backwell, Kirk, Sundqvist (returning from AFL), Smith, Sherwood, Mitchell, Rogers, Kirkby, McConnell, Fisher all imports, plus Burdett and Saunders from other SANFL clubs as well. Then there is others in recent years like Butcher, Neely, Culpitt, Allison, Stephens, Cook, Baldwin etc.

[mal]

Good call MACCA, however most clubs have influxes of players
enimating from other local and interstate clubs.
There are a couple of clubs who have overloaded with these recruits.
South Melbourne is one such club.
Glenelg have educated some juniors greatly as well, this will be in
evidence at this years draft.

[twosheds]

The roulette wheel, if Glenelg beat South............
Logan, operation for a dislocated fingernail.
Willetts operation for facial removal from his left eardrum.

How often they are fit when playing AFL and then mysteriously
need end of season operations when thier AFL teams are eliminated
in the minor round or finals.

Degrading our once prestigious SANFL.

For what its worth, I cant recall a Port Power playing getting pulled before the SANFL finals to have surgery. Numerous Power players have played in SANFL premierships. Evans, Carr, Burgoyne, Fiegert, Guerra, M Stevens, Steinberner, Dew, French, Thurstans.

Logan is/was playing for his AFL future. If he doesnt want an AFL career and would rather play SANFL then he is free to quit our club whenever he wants.

And again I ask the question, do you think Logan and Willits are worth 10 goals to Glenelg?

The SANFL in its current state is a feeder competition. These players are contracted to their AFL clubs. If AFL clubs want to pull them for surgery so they can be fit in time for next pre season then tahts up to them. These are the facts.

There are three solutions.
1) Clubs recruit enough players so that AFL players are seen as a bonus instead of a neccesity - like North this year
2) All AFL players play for the same club which means no SANFL clubs get AFL player access
3) The AFL create its own reserves competition and AFL players never play SANFL again

But, the argument shouldnt be about what players are getting pulled for surgery, its why the rule is that they couldnt play this round but could play in finals. Ridiculous situation.

Brad Symes

[mal]

Unfortunately, I can't remember the season, nor the 2 players involved, but Norwood had two AFL listed players in their team. They had played for Norwood leading up to the finals. The moment the AFL club dropped out of the finals race, the two players were ordered to have minor operations, and they missed the finals for Norwood.

Same thing happened with Mcleod and Port in 1995.

It is silly. If the AFL club is still active then ALL players from that squad can play SANFL finals no matter how many games theyve played. So Mark Riccuito could play for West, Burton for Eagles etc. despite playing zero games during the year. This happened with Modra in 1998 if i remember rightly, didnt play a match for West that year but when dropped from the Crows he could play for Westies in the finals because the Crows were still active.

The SANFL should base their season to finish the same weekend the AFL season finishes. This way that wouldnt happen. For what its worth I dont think Logan and Willits would make 10 goals difference to Glenelg.


The AFL should really get off their arse and organise a proper reserves system. Wouldnt be too hard in reality.

Exactly my point[roo/burton etc]
Roulette wheel spins in favour of the clubs still in the finals.

[mal]

Having said that, how many AFL players and specifically who will Port have available this week

Scott Stevens is the only player qualified for finals.

Brett Ebert played 3 games ?????
Iven Maric playing

Kingsley/Wanganeen/Surjan, would have but wont.

and off the subject, Mark Bullen if he catches a flight over !

[Peter Falconia]

Glenelg have educated some juniors greatly as well, this will be in
evidence at this years draft.

I can think of two players at Glenelg who will get drafted this year. At North, there are three certainties, maybe four or five. Strange how the Bays are the only SANFL club developing young players according to you Mal.

[mal]

Glenelg have educated some juniors greatly as well, this will be in
evidence at this years draft.

I can think of two players at Glenelg who will get drafted this year. At North, there are three certainties, maybe four or five. Strange how the Bays are the only SANFL club developing young players according to you Mal.

PF the big difference between GL/NA is that North Melbourne supplement
thier list with the cheque book, Glenelg tend to promote from within.

[Aerie]

Glenelg have educated some juniors greatly as well, this will be in
evidence at this years draft.

I can think of two players at Glenelg who will get drafted this year. At North, there are three certainties, maybe four or five. Strange how the Bays are the only SANFL club developing young players according to you Mal.

PF the big difference between GL/NA is that North Melbourne supplement
thier list with the cheque book, Glenelg tend to promote from within.

The bigger difference is that North Adelaide are playing finals and Glenelg, once again, are not.

[TroyGFC]

Speaking to Loges and Willo after game Satnite they were generally peeved about not being able to play for the Bays. And yes I think maybe these 2 may have stopped us losing by 10 goals with Willo who had a great season down back will Loges was always good in the centre and kicking some goals along the way.

[mighty_tiger_79]

MACCA

YOU LISTED PLAYERS THAT WERE RECRUITS from interstate but some of those players were in fact picked up from our country zone down in the south east which again is promoting youth.

NEXT YEAR I HOPE WE DONT PLAY ANY 17/18 YR olds who may end up at the AFL i hope we get all the AFL rejects and older VFL players who wont get drafted back into the AFL!!!!!!!!!

SANFL CLUBS should stop promoting juniors - look at westies now.

[Punk Rooster]

Glenelg have educated some juniors greatly as well, this will be in
evidence at this years draft.

I can think of two players at Glenelg who will get drafted this year. At North, there are three certainties, maybe four or five. Strange how the Bays are the only SANFL club developing young players according to you Mal.

PF the big difference between GL/NA is that North Melbourne supplement
thier list with the cheque book, Glenelg tend to promote from within.

Mal-informed..... North won the U15's,U17's, U19's, Reserves last year- & we're not developing our juniors? This year, we have blooded (at league level) Shane Edwards, Todd Pfeiffer, Andrew McIntyre, Tim Martin, Ricky Ebert & Matt Down. These players have been developed within North's junior ranks (albeit Down was from Norwood as a junior, yet still developed by us), & these players have been allowed to grow into a league role- not thrown to the wolves.
It would appear the only way the NAFC could appease you, would be to play 10 juniors who are not ready, then get flogged every week for 2 years, then start winning games. But guess what has happened in the meantime? We've lost the cream of those juniors to the AFL. We decide to recruit, to replace them- no, not in Mal's book, we'd be buying a Premiership. Much better to get some U17's with undeveloped bodies & throw them to the wolves.
I really don't care what your view of the NAFC is Mal, as the Board is reponsible to it's Members, & not message board forum members, who support other clubs, yet take continued cheap shots at the NAFC for being pro-active in many areas (especially recruiting).
Your time would be better spent questioning your own Board, & asking them why they are recruiting known trouble-makers from another club (Culpitt), & asking them to explain not only the poor results this year, but their whole mis-management of the Clubrooms debacle.

[Punk Rooster]

Glenelg have educated some juniors greatly as well, this will be in
evidence at this years draft.

I can think of two players at Glenelg who will get drafted this year. At North, there are three certainties, maybe four or five. Strange how the Bays are the only SANFL club developing young players according to you Mal.

PF the big difference between GL/NA is that North Melbourne supplement
thier list with the cheque book, Glenelg tend to promote from within.

Glenelg tend to promote from within, yet North are likely to lose as many players (if not more) to the draft?
Glenelg not recruiting, while North do, is somehow an indictment on the NAFC?

[sus]

My understanding of the rules is that any Crows player can play next weekend in either reserves or league so long as they didnt play AFL on the weekend. They may even be eligible if they did play AFL last Saturday by applying for a special permit - not sure on this one?

It means that Skipworth, Knights, Vince, McGregor, Hinge can all play this week if the Crows want them to. The Crows injured would also be able to play if fit enough (eg - Mcleod, Hart, Roo, Burton etc).

[locky801]

Glenelg have educated some juniors greatly as well, this will be in
evidence at this years draft.

I can think of two players at Glenelg who will get drafted this year. At North, there are three certainties, maybe four or five. Strange how the Bays are the only SANFL club developing young players according to you Mal.

PF the big difference between GL/NA is that North Melbourne supplement
thier list with the cheque book, Glenelg tend to promote from within.

Mal-informed..... North won the U15's,U17's, U19's, Reserves last year- & we're not developing our juniors? This year, we have blooded (at league level) Shane Edwards, Todd Pfeiffer, Andrew McIntyre, Tim Martin, Ricky Ebert & Matt Down. These players have been developed within North's junior ranks (albeit Down was from Norwood as a junior, yet still developed by us), & these players have been allowed to grow into a league role- not thrown to the wolves.
It would appear the only way the NAFC could appease you, would be to play 10 juniors who are not ready, then get flogged every week for 2 years, then start winning games. But guess what has happened in the meantime? We've lost the cream of those juniors to the AFL. We decide to recruit, to replace them- no, not in Mal's book, we'd be buying a Premiership. Much better to get some U17's with undeveloped bodies & throw them to the wolves.
I really don't care what your view of the NAFC is Mal, as the Board is reponsible to it's Members, & not message board forum members, who support other clubs, yet take continued cheap shots at the NAFC for being pro-active in many areas (especially recruiting).
Your time would be better spent questioning your own Board, & asking them why they are recruiting known trouble-makers from another club (Culpitt), & asking them to explain not only the poor results this year, but their whole mis-management of the Clubrooms debacle.

Only one thing to say to that Punk 'WELL SAID"

[locky801]

The whole thing is stupid really, however what I would like to know, what are the clubs doing about it. This problem has been around for years now and raises it's ugly head every year at this time. Yes it is unfair but surely the 9 clubs at the CEO's meeting each year with the SANFL would surely discuss this matter, yet it still remains the same problem. So in short, are the clubs really concerned about this rule or not.

[mal]

PUNK ROOSTER

You listed a group of kids that have been blooded this year.
Give me a break, most of them got a game because your
boys had half a team out injured.

Your club was an embarrasment a short while ago.
Your club turned your finances around.
Your club BOUGHT a team.
Your club has a coach who is respected[unlike the duds before him]
Your club is now successful.
Your club is not top through junior development.

You are a North barracker and must defend your team.
I am a Norwood barracker who is applying logic, you are not.

I am merley pointing out that Glenelg got screwed in round 23, and
would be better off using the North Melbourne system in buying a flag.

PUNKY where was North ADELAIDE 4 years ago when they were broke
and had to rely on local talent
The answer is obvious.

[mal]

MACCA

YOU LISTED PLAYERS THAT WERE RECRUITS from interstate but some of those players were in fact picked up from our country zone down in the south east which again is promoting youth.

NEXT YEAR I HOPE WE DONT PLAY ANY 17/18 YR olds who may end up at the AFL i hope we get all the AFL rejects and older VFL players who wont get drafted back into the AFL!!!!!!!!!

SANFL CLUBS should stop promoting juniors - look at westies now.

Read this PUNK
A Glenelg barracker said this not a North barracker.
MT79 makes my point as well[and we didnt collaborate on this]

PS Centrals used the M79 analogy 7 years ago.........

PS , Punk are we taking your car sunday or mine