Norwood and the Highlander

[Rushby Hinds]

ANy truth that you can't actually buy a beer in the North club rooms anymore apart from on match days?

[Rik E Boy]

DOnt know why its the SANFL's problem???? Sure they can give advice, but they should NEVER assist financially to just one club

the last time the league helped/bailed out anyclub was woodville & west torrens (1990), & the league only did it if both clubs agreed to a merger, so i can't see that happening unless they ressurect 'the norwood-sturt' cartel

**** that. The Glenelg-South merger would be a better look

regards,

REB

[BPBRB]

ANy truth that you can't actually buy a beer in the North club rooms anymore apart from on match days?

That's right - drinks only when games or functions are on but that will change back slowly in the next year or two.

[BPBRB]

Your ignorance is astounding, even with your insider who, by the sounds of it, thankfully isn't there anymore!!
The NFC NEVER had any intention of placing pokies in the NCC at any time!! I dont care what you've heard!! The reason for buying the NCC was because they were able to at a very good price!! Simple as that!! A purchase which has turned out to be very smart one!!

The SANFL will not hand out money to one Club, thats a fact and nor have Norwood EVER asked for it from them or any other Club.
Norwood have, however, helped other Clubs in the past whether it be financially or by their supporters marching in a rally with them (North)
I hope as an SANFL supporter that all nine Clubs are back on track very soon. Remember if it wasn't for one very genorous man, we may well be talking about North in the past tense!! Thankfully that hasn't happened!!

Norwood WILL be back financially soon! That is also a fact! So for those who want to see the end of Norwood!! Bad luck!! Wont happen!! For those true SA football fans! The future is bright!!

Excuse my obvious ignorance but which club or clubs has Norwood helped out financially in the past and to what extent??? I would be gobsmacked if that was the case and I would be questioning my club (and it's motives) if they offered financial support to any other club - especially in the football climate of the post 1990 era!

So let's see you back that statement up with some facts that can be proven now you have raised it? That would certainly warm the the hearts of Norwood supporters given the club's present situation to find out their club has handed out money to their SANFL rivals in the past!

P.S. A handful of opposition supporters (from a few clubs ) although I doubt that there were more than 1 or 2 Norwood fans there in any case, marching at their own behest in another clubs rally is hardly the NFC supporting another club officially. I didn't see any of the Management or the Board of the NFC marching nor making any public statements to support North so don't try and make out your club are good caring SANFL partners. It wasn't so long ago that Norwood tried to backdoor the SANFL and get into the AFL - it's just Port Adelaide were better at "white anting" than Norwood. There are still people involved in SANFL clubs who can remember the Norwood of the 70's and 80's and would hardly call them a team player in respect to caring about any other club other than their own. Some would argue that is how it should be.

[topsywaldron]

Some would argue that is how it should be.

So why the continual outrage about Norwood doing nothing to help North a few years back? According to you we shouldn't have done anything. I shudder to think of what you'd say about the financial help we gave Port Adelaide a few years ago...

BTW I don't know where the perception comes from that Norwood are actually looking for help from the other eight clubs. To the best of my admittedly poor knowledge we're working as hard as we can to get ourselves out of the mess we're in. And when we do the 'foot on the throat' mentality from a small section of SANFL supporters will not be forgotten.

[Sojourner]

I am not sure that Norwood would need, or would be looking for any type of cash handout from the SANFL. How the SANFL could assist Norwood though would be to go as a Garantor for their loan to get the new facility up and running.

If a local hotel was for sale, even with Norwoods current financial balance, they could get a loan for that premesis by having the SANFL being their garantor for the loan. It is my opinion that if Norwood did get hold of a Pub on North East Rd or similar that it would be turning over a good profit in a relitivley short space of time.

[Dutchy]

Not much difference between laoning them the cash or being Guarantor...if Norwood go belly up they lose money either way

[R&B Blooded]

Your ignorance is astounding, even with your insider who, by the sounds of it, thankfully isn't there anymore!!
The NFC NEVER had any intention of placing pokies in the NCC at any time!! I dont care what you've heard!! The reason for buying the NCC was because they were able to at a very good price!! Simple as that!! A purchase which has turned out to be very smart one!!

The SANFL will not hand out money to one Club, thats a fact and nor have Norwood EVER asked for it from them or any other Club.
Norwood have, however, helped other Clubs in the past whether it be financially or by their supporters marching in a rally with them (North)
I hope as an SANFL supporter that all nine Clubs are back on track very soon. Remember if it wasn't for one very genorous man, we may well be talking about North in the past tense!! Thankfully that hasn't happened!!

Norwood WILL be back financially soon! That is also a fact! So for those who want to see the end of Norwood!! Bad luck!! Wont happen!! For those true SA football fans! The future is bright!!

Excuse my obvious ignorance but which club or clubs has Norwood helped out financially in the past and to what extent??? I would be gobsmacked if that was the case and I would be questioning my club (and it's motives) if they offered financial support to any other club - especially in the football climate of the post 1990 era!

So let's see you back that statement up with some facts that can be proven now you have raised it? That would certainly warm the the hearts of Norwood supporters given the club's present situation to find out their club has handed out money to their SANFL rivals in the past!

P.S. A handful of opposition supporters (from a few clubs ) although I doubt that there were more than 1 or 2 Norwood fans there in any case, marching at their own behest in another clubs rally is hardly the NFC supporting another club officially. I didn't see any of the Management or the Board of the NFC marching nor making any public statements to support North so don't try and make out your club are good caring SANFL partners. It wasn't so long ago that Norwood tried to backdoor the SANFL and get into the AFL - it's just Port Adelaide were better at "white anting" than Norwood. There are still people involved in SANFL clubs who can remember the Norwood of the 70's and 80's and would hardly call them a team player in respect to caring about any other club other than their own. Some would argue that is how it should be.

Not interested in getting into a bun fight with you but you're obviously someone who is passionate about your team and have no real idea about what is going on in other Clubs (why should you??) other than what you "hear" around!!

Why do I think you're ignorant?? Statements like "Norwood backdooring the SANFL" is something only a complete ignoramus would say!! PLEASE!! Learn your facts first before making any more ludicrous statements. You're only making a complete fool of yourself!

[Wedgie]

Crikey, so many errors by so many people.
1) You can buy a beer at North other than match days (BRPBP was wrong there).
2) I did thank a lot of supporters from various clubs but don't remember a Norwood scarf there, do remember Eagles, Glenelg and Port scarves there though BUT Warky did offer me support with a nice email by memory, it was more than I got from other clubs or the SANFL not to mention dumb and dumber on 5AA who told me I'd be lucky to get 200 there where we ended up getting more than 2000. In fact I was suprised to get more support from politicians on both sides of the floor at local and federal level but no hint of even a "good luck" from the SANFL, they were obviously keen on having an 8 team comp. Must choke on their tea when they see what we make these years.
3) If you think Norwood bought the premises on the Parade without the intention of having pokies there you're pulling yourself, admittedly it was out of their hands but a bit more study should have gone into it, by all my friends at Norwood's reports it should turn out OK anyway but not as good as it could have.

Personally I think the major issue of the whole problem has been the change of boards, Im not saying either was right but their were limited funds to do 2 or 3 different things. Its all pretty irrelevent to us supporters so Im sure we can all just agree that we hope Norwood get up and running out at Holden Hill, with the huge turn around in red ink in the last 2 years (over half a million down to just over 50k down) and a pokies parlour running there's no doubting it wouldn't take long for them to be a profitable club again.

I'd be lost without having at least one ground with a decent beer!

[topsywaldron]

If you think Norwood bought the premises on the Parade without the intention of having pokies there you're pulling yourself, admittedly it was out of their hands but a bit more study should have gone into it, by all my friends at Norwood's reports it should turn out OK anyway but not as good as it could have.

Continuing the theme of errors.

Pokies were intended to go there, or stay there for that matter, but not Norwood's licensed figure of 40. Extra 'study' would not have stopped what prevented them from going in there.

That's what all my friends at Norwood tell me anyway.

[Wedgie]

If you think Norwood bought the premises on the Parade without the intention of having pokies there you're pulling yourself, admittedly it was out of their hands but a bit more study should have gone into it, by all my friends at Norwood's reports it should turn out OK anyway but not as good as it could have.

Continuing the theme of errors.

Pokies were intended to go there, or stay there for that matter, but not Norwood's licensed figure of 40. Extra 'study' would not have stopped what prevented them from going in there.

That's what all my friends at Norwood tell me anyway.

So you're agreeing with me (and BRPBP) then. You keep talking about errors whilst agreeing with the point others are making, I giggle at the way you want others to be wrong but you agree with them whilst calling them wrong! You're all over the shop like a mad woman's custard at times champ.
Well at least we can all agree on the 'facts' and we'll have to agree to disagree on the opinion of what should or should not have been studies beforehand.
Of course it could be argued that the facts quite comprehensively prove that one or another too looking at exactly how many pokies are currently in the Norwood's premsies at the Parade but its missing the point of the theme of this topic and would probably take us around in circles.

[topsywaldron]

Norwood's pokies were never intended for that property. Play semantics all you like with that.

Of course what I should say is something along the lines of 'well I do know what happened but I can't let the story out on a public forum. PM me if you're interested'.

[Wedgie]

Norwood's pokies were never intended for that property. Play semantics all you like with that.

Never said the 40 pokies they had in storage were and although that point can be debated my quote can't be:

If you think Norwood bought the premises on the Parade without the intention of having pokies there you're pulling yourself

Of course what I should say is something along the lines of 'well I do know what happened but I can't let the story out on a public forum. PM me if you're interested'.

Its OK mate, Ive been told the full story already, I could embarass you further as to what I'd been told but as I said previously its missing the main point.

Let's just all agree that:
a) Norwood bought the Parade premises intending to have pokies there
b) something stuffed up
c) hopefully all will turn out well


<Edit: a few posts of Punky's (and my responses) after this post have been deleted as they were completely irrelvent to the topic at hand and a waste of space>

[BPBRB]

Wedgie - when other than home matches and club functions (which is what I wrote) can you get a beer at Prospect Oval? That is what I wrote in response to Borat's question so I am confused to your response that I was wrong on that count?

[BPBRB]

Your ignorance is astounding, even with your insider who, by the sounds of it, thankfully isn't there anymore!!
The NFC NEVER had any intention of placing pokies in the NCC at any time!! I dont care what you've heard!! The reason for buying the NCC was because they were able to at a very good price!! Simple as that!! A purchase which has turned out to be very smart one!!

The SANFL will not hand out money to one Club, thats a fact and nor have Norwood EVER asked for it from them or any other Club.
Norwood have, however, helped other Clubs in the past whether it be financially or by their supporters marching in a rally with them (North)
I hope as an SANFL supporter that all nine Clubs are back on track very soon. Remember if it wasn't for one very genorous man, we may well be talking about North in the past tense!! Thankfully that hasn't happened!!

Norwood WILL be back financially soon! That is also a fact! So for those who want to see the end of Norwood!! Bad luck!! Wont happen!! For those true SA football fans! The future is bright!!

Excuse my obvious ignorance but which club or clubs has Norwood helped out financially in the past and to what extent??? I would be gobsmacked if that was the case and I would be questioning my club (and it's motives) if they offered financial support to any other club - especially in the football climate of the post 1990 era!

So let's see you back that statement up with some facts that can be proven now you have raised it? That would certainly warm the the hearts of Norwood supporters given the club's present situation to find out their club has handed out money to their SANFL rivals in the past!

P.S. A handful of opposition supporters (from a few clubs ) although I doubt that there were more than 1 or 2 Norwood fans there in any case, marching at their own behest in another clubs rally is hardly the NFC supporting another club officially. I didn't see any of the Management or the Board of the NFC marching nor making any public statements to support North so don't try and make out your club are good caring SANFL partners. It wasn't so long ago that Norwood tried to backdoor the SANFL and get into the AFL - it's just Port Adelaide were better at "white anting" than Norwood. There are still people involved in SANFL clubs who can remember the Norwood of the 70's and 80's and would hardly call them a team player in respect to caring about any other club other than their own. Some would argue that is how it should be.

Not interested in getting into a bun fight with you but you're obviously someone who is passionate about your team and have no real idea about what is going on in other Clubs (why should you??) other than what you "hear" around!!

Why do I think you're ignorant?? Statements like "Norwood backdooring the SANFL" is something only a complete ignoramus would say!! PLEASE!! Learn your facts first before making any more ludicrous statements. You're only making a complete fool of yourself!

Go research some of club's history in terms of what transpired with it's AFL bid back in the pre-crows days. The fact is there were discussions but they were not public at the time for good reason. I call it "back dooring", you can call it what you like.

So still haven't answered my last question - show us some fact as to who Norwood helped out seing you made the big sweeping statement and I think Wedgie answered the question well about Norwood's "huge" support of the North rally and you call me a fool for making ludicrous statements? Watch out you don't break your glass house launching all those stones at others.

P.S. Pity I can't share an PM from a Norwood supporter re this matter. His take on this subject differs from yours and I know who I would believe.

[Jar Man Out]

As most of you are aware the saga between the Norwood Football Club and the Highlander Hotel has been ongoing for some time, to the point where Norwood have gone from being one of the most profitable clubs to now the leagues worst performer due to lack of funds comming in. Feb 2007 sees the next round of the battle played out in the Supreme Court.

From the little that I have heard on the media it does not appear to be going well for Norwood at this stage. The Highlander Hotel has spent massive amounts of money on its redevelopment and is quite clear that they do not want the Norwood Club anywhere nearby.

Although it is not how the SANFL might operate, I think it is time that they stepped into this and got some of the problem sorted out.

My proposal would be for the SANFL to assist Norwood with a loan to purchase a hotel in their area as near as possible to the Highlander and compete directiy with them. The owners of either the Windsor or the Modbury Plaza might well sell up if made the right offer.

Another thing to consider is Wallis Cinema. They are a South Australian Company yet outside of the Piccadilly at North Adelaide do not have a Cinema in the Northern Suburbs. The last complex that they built at Mt Barker was done in conjunction with a hotel. So maybe Norwood and Wallis could go in together for the site as a win win. Norwood get to compete with the Highlander and have a club of their own and Wallis get a crack at Hoyts Tea Tree Plaza.

Surely if the SANFL, Norwood and Wallis sat down for a discussion on this and a local hotel was willing to sell up or move this could be a winner for all three of the parties?

Some interesting lateral thinking there.

A few comments:

Despite all the challenges, Norwood is not the leagues worst performer - this year at least. A loss of $60k was a good result given the lack of a gaming income stream at present.

Norwood has not asked for financial help from the league or any other clubs. As I understand however, it has provided financial assistance to other clubs in the past however when they have needed it..

Who did the legs give money to SQUAWK !!!!

[BPBRB]

I am not sure that Norwood would need, or would be looking for any type of cash handout from the SANFL. How the SANFL could assist Norwood though would be to go as a Garantor for their loan to get the new facility up and running.

If a local hotel was for sale, even with Norwoods current financial balance, they could get a loan for that premesis by having the SANFL being their garantor for the loan. It is my opinion that if Norwood did get hold of a Pub on North East Rd or similar that it would be turning over a good profit in a relitivley short space of time.

Having checked this out today from a "contact" at the top - the SANFL will not go guarantor nor provide any loan other than maybe an early part payment of the yearly dividend but only then under special circumstances.

They didn't with North back in 2001/2002 when this was one option investigated so North's eventual borrowings were covered by a guarantee from Rob Gerard and NOT a loan from him. The money was borrowed from the bank. Please note this has been mentioned so many times on various sites yet many people still think he just gave us the money! You only have to check the NAFC Yearly Financial Report to see the extent of North's borrowings/debt in case people think we are swimming in money provided by Rob Gerard. Having said that the debt is being reduced at a very rapid rate on the back of 2 very sucessful pokie venues. Whilst many would think pokies are morally and socially wrong - they have certainly helped give the SANFL clubs the lifelines they need.

Hopefully for Norwood's sake (and the SANFL'S in the inteest of a strong comp) they can get their pokies up and running and ensure their future.

[Wedgie]

Wedgie - when other than home matches and club functions (which is what I wrote) can you get a beer at Prospect Oval? That is what I wrote in response to Borat's question so I am confused to your response that I was wrong on that count?

No need to be confused you just need to get along to finals training when we're making banners to realise that its not just home matches and club functions where they sell beer. I was also at a private function last year and they sell beer then too.

[fester69]

Sorry Wedgie, you are wrong!
The only plans for pokies at the Community Club were for the SAJC to sign a long term agreement, that didn't happen - no pokies.

The main reason for the purchase was the price, we might be "financially poor" but asset wise we are booming. NO ONE needs to go guarantor for us cos once we piss off The Hoglander, banks are falling over one another to bankroll us!

FACT!!!

[Wedgie]

Sorry Wedgie, you are wrong!
The only plans for pokies at the Community Club were for the SAJC to sign a long term agreement, that didn't happen - no pokies.

Why tell me Im wrong, why not tell your own supporter who ran for a board position at the club he's wrong or perhaps tell David Wark or any other number of Norwood supporters who have discussed the matter?

Pokies were intended to go there, or stay there for that matter,

fester69, I hate to be the one tell you but you are wrong. (I can only assume that you think Im talking about the machines that Norwood owned as for some reason Topsy made that mistake too, or you were out of the country when it first happened and have a poor memory)

I said pokies were planned to be there (the shared profit arrangement with the SAJC was pretty public) and they were there at the start hence proving my point, the fact the SAJC took them out of there is irrelvent to the point I (or Topsy who you failed to address for some reason) made.