NORTH V STURT ROUND 6

[mighty_tiger_79]

I tip the roosters who were brilliant beating the legs with 18 men and a girl last week

[sturtpeter]

Fine conditions are forecast: Sturt hasn't beaten the Mighty Roosters since April 15th. 2005 at AO.

I can see given the weather, expected glorious condition of the sensational PO lol, a shoot-out similar to the North v Sturt game at Unley in 2004 is highly likely.

The head says the Roosters by 4 goals, but the heart says Sturt in a thriller.

Guys don't think with either but it's the Double Blues by 10 points and the mercurial Jade Sheedy to be BOG closely followed by the equally sensational Chris Ladhams.

Chambo is an angry young man after the shocker he put in at the Playground in Round 4, so watch out Roosters.

[Blue Boy]

Will North double team Chambo ???

In isolation he has been fantastic so far but Norwood showed that the double team can dry up our goals so to speak. Not forgetting though that the weather @ Unley against Norwood was always going to make it a tough day for Chambo.

This is a big statement to make but I think if he has another day out he could help us get over the line.

[Wedgie]

I think this game will be as much about who can out coach who. McGowan v jarman will go a long way to who wins this game.

If it were that simple, Jarman is buggered - but it's not that simple. Sturts main focus should be now on maintaining the level they have achieved. If they are still focussing on improvement then they may falter - consolidation of lessons already learnt is required over the next 8-10 games, then look at progressing to the next level.

Dunno, while being one of jarman's critics in the past and being a big fan of Rick I was very impressed with Jar's coaching last Friday night.
We seemed to lose one on one contests, seemed to turn it over more and obviously had 2 less players (that has been well documented) but he manged to have the players somehow pull out a win, his fitness regime might have a lot to do with some of the injuries we get but to run out the game on Fri night with 2 less players available as well as having to make some unexpected moves showed he might be maturing as a coach. Most impressive coaching display yet.

[smac]

I think this game will be as much about who can out coach who. McGowan v jarman will go a long way to who wins this game.

If it were that simple, Jarman is buggered - but it's not that simple. Sturts main focus should be now on maintaining the level they have achieved. If they are still focussing on improvement then they may falter - consolidation of lessons already learnt is required over the next 8-10 games, then look at progressing to the next level.

Dunno, while being one of jarman's critics in the past and being a big fan of Rick I was very impressed with Jar's coaching last Friday night.
We seemed to lose one on one contests, seemed to turn it over more and obviously had 2 less players (that has been well documented) but he manged to have the players somehow pull out a win, his fitness regime might have a lot to do with some of the injuries we get but to run out the game on Fri night with 2 less players available as well as having to make some unexpected moves showed he might be maturing as a coach. Most impressive coaching display yet.

Serious question. How much of Friday night was emotion? Specifically, did Jars play on the '2 less players' situation, creating a feeling among the team that drove them to an improved performance?

Having spent time looking quite closely at the 2 coaches, my opinion is that Rick has a better 'coaching mind' than Jars. Rick has the ability to teach game plans, skills etc that is at least the equal of Laird. I still don't think Sturt are a better team - too early for that yet - but the result is far from decided in this game.

[Wedgie]

Serious question. How much of Friday night was emotion? Specifically, did Jars play on the '2 less players' situation, creating a feeling among the team that drove them to an improved performance?

Having spent time looking quite closely at the 2 coaches, my opinion is that Rick has a better 'coaching mind' than Jars. Rick has the ability to teach game plans, skills etc that is at least the equal of Laird. I still don't think Sturt are a better team - too early for that yet - but the result is far from decided in this game.

Dunno mate, Im not a shrink but I think it was one of the most amazing coaching efforts ever last Friday night.

Also in regard to this game there's a rumour going around that Nick Gill will play if he gets through training with the Crows this week.

[Shirtfront]

North by plenty this week, think they have too much pressure around the ground to allow free, easy ball to Chambers. I also hear that Gill might be a chance, big forward line if thats the case. Might have to drop Campbell, not showing enough to warant starting 18 position.

[Silky skills]

Theyll have to double team Chambers, chambers 1 out is a win all day, if he doesnt mark it, it will deffinately come to the front. The young Sturt lads have to Stand up this week!!!!!!

[Wedgie]

Get there early folks, just been announced that Gilly will be playing for the ressies this week.

[MST]

Get there early folks, just been announced that Gilly will be playing for the ressies this week.

Well thank f@#k for that!

I still have nightmares of when he brought his own footy to Adelaide Oval last year.

On a serious note, good luck to him. Had the pleasure of meeting him (and his girlfriend) at a function and a nicer, more grounded bloke you would struggle to meet. Let's hope he can stay injury free and get some AFL games in his column.

[mal]

I tip the roosters who were brilliant beating the legs with 18 men and a girl last week

Hmn.....

[bayman]

I tip the roosters who were brilliant beating the legs with 18 men and a girl last week

Hmn.....

which girl did you have in mind ? i've eliminated o'hara & martin , it must be the player that hangs like a topless waitress very skilful but very soft

[sturt1]

I think this game will be as much about who can out coach who. McGowan v jarman will go a long way to who wins this game.

If it were that simple, Jarman is buggered - but it's not that simple. Sturts main focus should be now on maintaining the level they have achieved. If they are still focussing on improvement then they may falter - consolidation of lessons already learnt is required over the next 8-10 games, then look at progressing to the next level.

Dunno, while being one of jarman's critics in the past and being a big fan of Rick I was very impressed with Jar's coaching last Friday night.
We seemed to lose one on one contests, seemed to turn it over more and obviously had 2 less players (that has been well documented) but he manged to have the players somehow pull out a win, his fitness regime might have a lot to do with some of the injuries we get but to run out the game on Fri night with 2 less players available as well as having to make some unexpected moves showed he might be maturing as a coach. Most impressive coaching display yet.

What was it about jars coaching you didnt like?

[Dutchy]

Theyll have to double team Chambers, chambers 1 out is a win all day, if he doesnt mark it, it will deffinately come to the front. The young Sturt lads have to Stand up this week!!!!!!

will you remain in the 21 Silky?

[Wedgie]

What was it about jars coaching you didnt like?

Ive had quite a few different issues I didn't like about his coaching, I wont go into them all but early on he was left for dead big time tactics wise but he has improved heaps in this area (last Fri night a glaring eg).
He's had many flaws but he's also had many good points such as being a big name to recruit interstate players, marketing and his motivation is second to none.

[BPBRB]

I think this game will be as much about who can out coach who. McGowan v jarman will go a long way to who wins this game.

If it were that simple, Jarman is buggered - but it's not that simple. Sturts main focus should be now on maintaining the level they have achieved. If they are still focussing on improvement then they may falter - consolidation of lessons already learnt is required over the next 8-10 games, then look at progressing to the next level.

Seeping statement there smac - given MacGowan has coached 3 wins - 2 against last years bottom side, another against a non finalist from last year and one against a top 3 contender in Port, where in reality Port should have wrapped up after their lead in the last quarter. Don't forget Sturt also suffered a 50 point loss to another non finalist from last year which on the day given the atrocious conditions was like a 100 point flogging.

Jarman took a side from bottom with 1 win to the finals and has maintained and increased slightly our position as a top 3 contender and has North at a point where they could take the next step and make a GF if all goes well and with a bit of luck. You can't say Jars has been all luck and just point to the talent he has and recruiting etc. He has been able to harness that talent, motivate and gel the team and the results have happened although we have fallen short or choked (however people want to interpret our finals form).

He might be a joker at times and play upto the media but he is a good thinker about the game, good tactically and he has the respect of the players importantly and they enjoy playing for him - more so than many North coaches in the past including Nunan. He is a good tactician although reckless at times, backing North in on out shooting the opposition rather than defending as much. IMO that has changed this year and his coaching so far has been the best since he has been at North although our start hasn't been as rapid or flowing like previous years. His coaching effort/tatics last Friday night were brillant given the situation pre-game having an undersized and inexperienced defense then having to move Schubert into ruck to weaken it more when the interchange debacle happened.

Putting MacGowan ahead of him of re coaching ability currently is a very bold statement when Rick has no runs on the board so to speak given it is so early in his senior coaching career .

[Jimmy]

a mate of mine is staying with me at the moment who is a mate of gills and he told me he would play league this week, i think the cows site said something like that??? i was like F#$K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why!!!!!!!!!!?????????

but now its only the 2's...phew!!!!!!!!!

[smac]

I think this game will be as much about who can out coach who. McGowan v jarman will go a long way to who wins this game.

If it were that simple, Jarman is buggered - but it's not that simple. Sturts main focus should be now on maintaining the level they have achieved. If they are still focussing on improvement then they may falter - consolidation of lessons already learnt is required over the next 8-10 games, then look at progressing to the next level.

Seeping statement there smac - given MacGowan has coached 3 wins - 2 against last years bottom side, another against a non finalist from last year and one against a top 3 contender in Port, where in reality Port should have wrapped up after their lead in the last quarter. Don't forget Sturt also suffered a 50 point loss to another non finalist from last year which on the day given the atrocious conditions was like a 100 point flogging.

Jarman took a side from bottom with 1 win to the finals and has maintained and increased slightly our position as a top 3 contender and has North at a point where they could take the next step and make a GF if all goes well and with a bit of luck. You can't say Jars has been all luck and just point to the talent he has and recruiting etc. He has been able to harness that talent, motivate and gel the team and the results have happened although we have fallen short or choked (however people want to interpret our finals form).

He might be a joker at times and play upto the media but he is a good thinker about the game, good tactically and he has the respect of the players importantly and they enjoy playing for him - more so than many North coaches in the past including Nunan. He is a good tactician although reckless at times, backing North in on out shooting the opposition rather than defending as much. IMO that has changed this year and his coaching so far has been the best since he has been at North although our start hasn't been as rapid or flowing like previous years. His coaching effort/tatics last Friday night were brillant given the situation pre-game having an undersized and inexperienced defense then having to move Schubert into ruck to weaken it more when the interchange debacle happened.

Putting MacGowan ahead of him of re coaching ability currently is a very bold statement when Rick has no runs on the board so to speak given it is so early in his senior coaching career .

Firstly, I never said Jars was bad – only that Rick was better as a coach. I am not basing my thoughts on game day results as Rick has too few of these to be worth much (as you rightly pointed out). More on game day performances – admittedly, a lot of this I have seen with Rick as an assistant, not a head coach.

I played footy with Rick many years ago and even then his ability to pass things on to others was amazing. I have watched him closely since then and have seen him coach at a few levels – from under 8’s at Golden Grove (wasn’t the coach but spent a lot of time with his nephew) to assistant at North and WWT to head coach at Sturt. This skill of his has only developed further.

I have spent some time watching all of the league coaches and have done so for a number of years – something I enjoy doing as it helps me with my own coaching. Obviously this means I have spent some time watching how Jars coaches his side. His research appears limited and his approach to the playing group and in particular his assistants (IMHO) too autocratic. I believe this cost him the services of Rick a few years ago. This is a personality issue, quite difficult to change (although that is possible over a long period of time). Most would agree that personality issues can be quite damaging to a playing group.

I think your point regarding choking/falling short is possibly the most valid. Continuing to promote a game plan at the club that is consistently less successful in finals footy is one of his bigger shortcomings. The continued recruiting of players who play fast, exciting footy, almost at the expense of others, magnifies this (disclaimer – haven’t paid any attention to North’s recruiting this season, this point may have changed). Admittedly, there has been some bad luck with injuries which could change my perception of the recruiting.

Unlike many others, I think his character is one of his strongest points. If he has the squad disciplined, it is better the coach is being a public clown than someone from the playing group as he can control what he says in the media (Jason Akermanis is a perfect example of this in the AFL – out of control!).

I have said for the past couple of years that Jars has done an exceptional job to revive North on the field but he should pass over the reigns to someone else to ensure North take the next step (Alan Stewart at Centrals is my usual example when I say this).

I have not the time to go further into things, but my opinion having seen plenty of both of them is that Rick is a better coach.

See – it wasn’t a seeping (sic) statement at all.

[Dogwatcher]

Nice post Smac.

[sturtpeter]

I again agree with Wedgie. Get to Prospect early.

Nick's a sensational player and a top bloke too.

Let's hope he plays well and lines up against the RFC next Friday lol.

Cheers