central put on notice

[Bluebeat1]

I have never been to a game at Elizabeth nor am I likely to ever either


Why is that? What do you think is going to happen to you?

The simple fact is ive rarely seen anyone get hit at the footy in 20 odd years of supporting the doggies and ive never seen anyone get hit that wasnt being a D*** head!
Mouth off by all meens but be aware there are peanuts out there and if your going to give someone some stick hope like most of us they'll have a dig back and leave it at that, but there is a chance they may have a crack. So who's at fault? The dick who mouths off, or the dick who decides to go the biff?

I think it would be obvious to most people. Sure mouthing off can be aggrevating but going the biff ??? Lets be serious

[giffo]

I have never been to a game at Elizabeth nor am I likely to ever either


Why is that? What do you think is going to happen to you?

The simple fact is ive rarely seen anyone get hit at the footy in 20 odd years of supporting the doggies and ive never seen anyone get hit that wasnt being a D*** head!
Mouth off by all meens but be aware there are peanuts out there and if your going to give someone some stick hope like most of us they'll have a dig back and leave it at that, but there is a chance they may have a crack. So who's at fault? The dick who mouths off, or the dick who decides to go the biff?

I think it would be obvious to most people. Sure mouthing off can be aggrevating but going the biff ??? Lets be serious

According to the AFL tribunal it is

[Jimmy]

Apparently, Norwood "beefed up" security to 6 on Friday night. What the SANFL need to do is gather some facts first. Perhaps Central supporters are always involved as we are seen as a target by most other clubs supporters. "Lets start a fight and they'll get the blame beacause they're Central's" seems to be in vogue.

yeah i think thats the reason giffo....come on mate...

[doggies4eva]

Surely security at grounds is the home team's responsibility. Centrals have announced that they will beef up their security for Saturday's game.

Comparing the SANFL situation with soccer is just imflamatory and doesn't help find a solution. I would expect more from you highly educated clubs - help us poor working class types out with your compassion and intellect. The soccer situation where an army of aggressive thugs smash trains and have all-in brawls with police or anyone in their way is a long way from the situation that we have here.

My solution - have enough INTELLIGENT security strategically positioned around the ground with the skills to diffuse a situation before it develops. How do you spot a developing situation? A few clues - alcohol is probably involved. Loud and verbally aggressive comment usually preced fists flying. A warning that removal from the ground or denial of service usually quietens these people down. At Norwood 7 (which is a relatively high number for a game) out of thousands were ejected. It takes Dumb and Dumber to turn that into a major incident.

[Jar Man Out]

all of this due to a loud mouthed legs fan with sour grapes. whoever rung 5AA and had a cry saturday morning have a good hard look at yourself you drama queen. 7 people kicked out over one incident in a crowd of 3850. What a virtual war zone.

Some of the claims this guy made on Saturday morning were false and ridiculous.But ofcourse without jury the guilty were persecuted

THanks for causing a huge over reaction you nimrod. Let me guess why you felt you had the right tarnish this football club. cos of the suburb it is situated in. Disgraceful.

A Norwood fan started the fight.
Security was right their when the incident occured and had it sorted in 30 seconds.
Rest of the game was incident free.

if we have been put on notice for this then alot of SANFl clubs should be concerned.

[topsywaldron]

A Norwood fan started the fight.

First time I've heard this.

[smac]

A Norwood fan started the fight.

First time I've heard this.

It seems most accounts confirm this, however I was not a witness and cannot confirm either way. Still gives me the shits that our supporters take it upon themselves to finish what others apparently start.

Sick to death of being part of it, whether we start it or not.

[mick]

I think one of the main problems is the matches start too late. Here's the scenario, knock off work around 5 - 5.30, go to a pub or to the parade to watch the seconds.....start drinking.....by the time the main match starts 1.5 - 2.0 hours worth of grog in the guts with four quarters to go. Whenever my mates and I go to these matches by the end around 10.15pm or so we are absolutely hammered, no problem we are not violent other who drink a bit are. If the match started say at 6 - 6.15 it would lessen the alcohol intake. The disadvantage is the seconds would not be the curtain raiser.

PS this problem must be solved otherwise it will be light beer and plastic cups for all

[JK]

I gotta be honest and say that I think the NFC has a fair whack of responsibility here ... Sure they can't predict whats going to happen, but if you're going to promote Friday night football and the accompanying culture of drinking which associates with it, it is your responsibility also to cater for the safey of patrons!

In all honesty, in the last 10 years I can only recall two other incidents on Coopers Hill, 1 v Central at another night game and 1 v Port during a Sat game close to 10 yrs ago ... However on Friday night, you always knew trouble was going to break out and the security numbers were clearly insufficient (not to mention the fact that they are ordinary and mostly bludgers at the footy).

As for who started the fight, as SMAC said, who really cares, supporters of every club should be thrown into the same category when this sort of thing happens.

MD - You can deflect the attention from the incidents all you like, I don't see too many people on here blaming solely Central fans for it, however it's that type of attitude of accepting these types of things that will prevent their eradication!

Anyway, in my view the SANFL should be putting ALL clubs on notice!

[doggies4eva]

Anyway, in my view the SANFL should be putting ALL clubs on notice!

Agreed. Why is the SANFL doing this? Are they just reacting to sensational media reporting. What solutions are they proposing? It's easy for them to blame others but they are supposed to be the leading organisation in planning and programming fixtures.

[whufc]

I was right near the fight, both parties were to blame.

What i find interesting is that there were no kids near the fight and the only people injured were those involved. (Warning to football club plus weeks worth of false reports from the Advertiser and 5AA)

Unlike a punch up between two North supporters in the finals series, where there were plenty of kids standing around. This punch up was way more intense than the one friday night on Coopers Hill yet how much radio, paper or t.v coverage did it get. (ZERO)

Fight between Sturt cheersquad and Port fan at Alberton this year, media coverage (ZERO)

A Glenelg supporter gets pushed over after ripping a Central supporters flag unprovoked. A weeks worth of 5AA coverage and Graham Crones saying all Central supporters should be banned.)

Blaming supporterers from a lower class community with a brilliant football team PRICELESS

I think the key dominator here is not the incidents its if it involves Central it will make the media. [/b]

[JK]

I was right near the fight, both parties were to blame.

What i find interesting is that there were no kids near the fight and the only people injured were those involved. (Warning to football club plus weeks worth of false reports from the Advertiser and 5AA)

Unlike a punch up between two North supporters in the finals series, where there were plenty of kids standing around. This punch up was way more intense than the one friday night on Coopers Hill yet how much radio, paper or t.v coverage did it get. (ZERO)

Fight between Sturt cheersquad and Port fan at Alberton this year, media coverage (ZERO)

A Glenelg supporter gets pushed over after ripping a Central supporters flag unprovoked. A weeks worth of 5AA coverage and Graham Crones saying all Central supporters should be banned.)

Blaming supporterers from a lower class community with a brilliant football team PRICELESS

I think the key dominator here is not the incidents its if it involves Central it will make the media. [/b]

The 2nd fight had the potential for serious injury though WHUFC and whilst there were no children in the area that I know of, it would have been viewable from the stands where plenty of youngsters could have seen it.

I agree that blaming Central fans for trouble is the easy option for people who pass judgement from high places though, and they should really keep their mouths shut when they're not personally in touch with the going's on of the competition.

[whufc]

Agree CP,

I guess any time grown males start throwing punches and kicking people there is potential for serious damage. But my points is that if a fight at the football happens it seems to be only news worthy if Central supporters are involved.

I also want to make clear for future reference and not that anyone has said they were but there was not an 'End to Ender' in sight during either of the fights Friday night Also the guy who started the fight at Elizabeth against North last year no longer stands anywhere near the 'End to Enders'.

[JK]

Agree CP,

I guess any time grown males start throwing punches and kicking people there is potential for serious damage. But my points is that if a fight at the football happens it seems to be only news worthy if Central supporters are involved.

Yeah fair call mate, can't disagree with that

[Ronnie]

I don't think Friday night matches can start any earlier, i know a few reserves players who struggle to get the time off from work if they happen to be playing in the magoos on a Friday night.
One more thing, whatever happened to a visible police presence to deter the morons???.....i haven't seen a particularly effective or enthusiastic security guard at an SANFL ground yet.

[Wedgie]

I don't think Friday night matches can start any earlier, i know a few reserves players who struggle to get the time off from work if they happen to be playing in the magoos on a Friday night.
One more thing, whatever happened to a visible police presence to deter the morons???.....i haven't seen a particularly effective or enthusiastic security guard at an SANFL ground yet.

Probably easier to start Saturday night games earlier, perhaps about 4 and a half hours earlier preferably.

[smac]

Good to see some reasoned debate, particularly by someone who saw what happened. Thanks for not getting caught up in the hype CP.

It seems the general consensus is that extra (or just competent) security and/or a police presence is one answer. I have been asking myself what a club can do outside of that to control the crowd more. About all I can come up with is banning offenders (which would be very difficult to police) or a more responsible approach to alcohol sales, which is certainly possible and indeed necessary. If a patron is visibly affected by alcohol, stop serving them. If someone is seen to be 'losing it' by becoming more agressive then stop serving them.

Just some thoughts. Any others?

[Bullitt]

People clearly dont like the fact that Central have gone from being a celler dweller to the most supported club in the SANFL and I have no doubt that the current hysteria is related directly to that. Get used to it folks, the doggies are going to be at the top of the ladder for a few more years yet!

What has that got to do with flares being let off, fighting and kicking people in the head while they are on the ground.

[smac]

People clearly dont like the fact that Central have gone from being a celler dweller to the most supported club in the SANFL and I have no doubt that the current hysteria is related directly to that. Get used to it folks, the doggies are going to be at the top of the ladder for a few more years yet!

What has that got to do with flares being let off, fighting and kicking people in the head while they are on the ground.

Not a lot.

But the taunts have turned from "how many flags?" to "you're a feral piece of shit" and this will always incite some kind of reaction. The more truth in the taunt, the more violent the reaction. I think that is closer to the point being made above.

[JK]

I'm not really sure to be honest SMAC, unfortunately most of the options like banning alcohol would result in the majority of supporters being unhappy and would have a negative impact on the crowd.

Perhaps Bar staff should be armed with a means of communication for police or security to get there ASAP if they are not already?