Rd 9 2007 Port v North

[Jar Man Out]

A flood is simply when you hold more than 6 defenders ie extra numbers back in defence. Like as you said North did on Saturday. Your Centrals flooded argument doesnt really stand up cos as you say we had 6 forwards and six defenders all day. A flood is simply what the crows do week in week out.

North flooded and moved the ball very slowly into their forward line. Guess what is going to happen ??. Loose men in your forward line. Cant recall a North guy being loose in centrals forward line last year like Ben hart has been this year.

must have been centrals trying to free him up across their own half forward line tactic.

Jars has been the most critical spokeperson in the media against this game plan. Has had a crack at numerous afl coaches for it. is it a case of do as andrew jarman says not as he does.

worrying signs down at prospect.

[Wedgie]

I can understand why you say that MD, as at times it can be a sign of fragility and loss of belief from a coach ... However, in this instance I reckon Jars has seen that he's come up short in recent seasons and identified some area's that require(d) addressing ... Takes a strong leader to be open minded enough to adopt change, perhaps best to judge his performance at seasons end?

While you make sense he hasn't made significant change to the game plan, he has become more flexible and tactically a better coach but so would all coaches with experience.
I'm definately not Pro Jarman and I do have some issues with his coaching but having some tactics and flexibility in his game plan would be one of the last thing I'd have issues with.

Anyway, there will be a different game plan tomorrow to combat the wet conditions, well I bloody hope so anyway, if there isn't then there will be danger signs.

[JK]

Sorry, was perhaps a slightly presumptuous post .. I haven't seen enough of North this year (or last year really) to know whether he's brought about much change, or whether some change has been forced upon him by available personnel, etc.

Was just trying to say that if you've been aound the mark for a bit without taking that next step, naturally you can't go around again with what didn't work previously.

[Wedgie]

Was just trying to say that if you've been aound the mark for a bit without taking that next step, naturally you can't go around again with what didn't work previously.

Yep agreed.

Anyway, for the Port v North game its all pretty irrelevent, similar to the North v South game its basically a lottery in these conditions. North's hard nuts should give them the advantage.
Be interesting to see how some of Ports younger stars go in the conditions.

[JK]

Be wary of Clayton, I think he might have been in the doghouse a bit this week after a lack of discipline and poor finishing last week.

With the passing of Von, I'd expect a pretty ferocious Magpies outfit tomorrow

[Wedgie]

Be wary of Clayton, I think he might have been in the doghouse a bit this week after a lack of discipline and poor finishing last week.

Agreed, both of them.
We normally have J.Clayton's measure but its usually been fine when we've beaten them the last 3 years in a row at Alberton.

[doggies4eva]

The flood was defintely a North tactic. They did it in the first quarter and then went into a more attacking approach as the game wore on.

I have been critical of Jars in the past as being one dimensional but I must say I thought he coached well against us. He held us to 1 goal in the first and then attacked and was up by as much as 19 points. Unfortunately his team couldn't sustain the effort (not helped by an injury). I saw the real issue as the North players running out of petrol. Centrals appeared to be the fitter side.

[Wedgie]

The flood was defintely a North tactic. They did it in the first quarter and then went into a more attacking approach as the game wore on.

I have been critical of Jars in the past as being one dimensional but I must say I thought he coached well against us. He held us to 1 goal in the first and then attacked and was up by as much as 19 points. Unfortunately his team couldn't sustain the effort (not helped by an injury). I saw the real issue as the North players running out of petrol. Centrals appeared to be the fitter side.

If North "flooded" than Central's "deluged, rained, showered, flooded and went underwater".
Check out the replay of the game, North just played one on one.
As I said previously I don't think either team flooded but Centrals definately had more players back, noticable at the ground especially standing near the goals and noticable on TV.
Interesting point about the fitness, I think North were one of the fittest sides going around last year but we broke down with injuries and players were struggling mid season, I think this year we have a program set to apex towards the end of the year.

[Jar Man Out]

The flood was defintely a North tactic. They did it in the first quarter and then went into a more attacking approach as the game wore on.

I have been critical of Jars in the past as being one dimensional but I must say I thought he coached well against us. He held us to 1 goal in the first and then attacked and was up by as much as 19 points. Unfortunately his team couldn't sustain the effort (not helped by an injury). I saw the real issue as the North players running out of petrol. Centrals appeared to be the fitter side.

If North "flooded" than Central's "deluged, rained, showered, flooded and went underwater".
Check out the replay of the game, North just played one on one.
As I said previously I don't think either team flooded but Centrals definately had more players back, noticable at the ground especially standing near the goals and noticable on TV.
Interesting point about the fitness, I think North were one of the fittest sides going around last year but we broke down with injuries and players were struggling mid season, I think this year we have a program set to apex towards the end of the year.

North didnt flood it was centrals. You obviously still got alot to learn about football Wedgie.

Centrals had six forwards in our forward line all day and as wedgie has already stated earlier north only had 4-5. But Centrals flooded back in defence. With what players if we had a 6 man forward line all day???

I guess the point that worries me is simply. Jars doesnt believe in this type of football he has stated this many times publicly. And now he is looking to adopt this game plan. Worrying signs when the coach adapts a if you cant beat them join them mentality.

Alternatively. if this is just a fresh tactic for dogs and eagles like some roosters fans are claiming. does this mean jars believe in his game plan for 7 out of 9 opponents. just not against the benchmarks. either way if he was my coach i would be worried big time.

[Wedgie]

North didnt flood it was centrals. You obviously still got alot to learn about football Wedgie.

Centrals had six forwards in our forward line all day and as wedgie has already stated earlier north only had 4-5. But Centrals flooded back in defence. With what players if we had a 6 man forward line all day???

Dude, you have no idea about the game, can't read and obviously weren't watching the game.

North quite often had only 4 or 5 players up forward, Centrals quite often only had 2.
I said NEITHER team flooded but if you're going to ask which team was more defensive early on its quite easy to work out from the replay. North were 1 on 1 when they didn't have the ball. That's actually the opposite of flooding.
Being there was even more obvious.

I still can't work out why you're worried about a coach having a different game plan for different opposition, evey coach including Roy Laird does it. It only makes sense to go 1 on 1 defensively against a side that will get as much as the ball as your team and to play more attacking when you will get the ball more often, common sense and smart and all coaches do it.

Any chance we can chat about Port v North mate?

Be interesting to see how Hargs goes tomorrow without Clive playing, Hargs is actually a very good wet weather full forward and will have a point to prove to Mr Jarman.

[Jar Man Out]

north flooded. youll never convince me or any other doggies fan otherwise wedgie. they did it the first game aswell, not that you would know anything about that would ya Wedgie you didnt go. i have been to both games.

Let me guess i can not comment on how north play because i havent seen them all year but you can assure everyone centrals flood.

do as you say not as you do. seems to be the theme down at rooster land at the minute.

no wonder they can not make a GF.

[Wedgie]

i can not comment on how north play because i havent seen them all year

Says it all really.

Back onto Port v North now?

[Jar Man Out]

then either can you. you havent seen your beloved roosters all year either so how the hell would you know. remember you missed round one.

were i have seen every centrals game.

we dont flood i can assure you. but you have only seen your side play the dogs once so i understand your confusion.

back to the game against port. fire up daniel hargraves you north legend you!!!!!!!!!!!.

[Wedgie]

we dont flood i can assure you. but you have only seen your side play the dogs once so i understand your confusion.

What confusion??

I didn't think either side flooded

But I will agree with you that Centrals didn't flood, neither team did.

As I said previously I don't think either team flooded

You're just rambling now, please go ramble in a Centrals thread as you make no sense.
I tell you 3 times neither team flooded and you keep telling me that I'm saying that Centrals flooded.
Dude, go get some therapy (or learn to read), you're sounding like Phil G now.

On the North v Port topic, agreed I hope Hargs kicks 10.
Can someone let me know how Port gone in the wet this year?

[Wedgie]

On the North v Port topic, agreed I hope Hargs kicks 10.
Can someone let me know how Port gone in the wet this year?

Disregard, I looked it up myself, in the wet the Maggies got beaten by the Bays, mind you Alberton has a better surface than the Bay so I don't think we'll keep them down to 4 goals like the Bays did.

[snowman]

Ducker go play on the central thread idiot.

go port.........................

[BPBRB]

A flood is simply when you hold more than 6 defenders ie extra numbers back in defence. Like as you said North did on Saturday. Your Centrals flooded argument doesnt really stand up cos as you say we had 6 forwards and six defenders all day. A flood is simply what the crows do week in week out.

North flooded and moved the ball very slowly into their forward line. Guess what is going to happen ??. Loose men in your forward line. Cant recall a North guy being loose in centrals forward line last year like Ben hart has been this year.

must have been centrals trying to free him up across their own half forward line tactic.

Jars has been the most critical spokeperson in the media against this game plan. Has had a crack at numerous afl coaches for it. is it a case of do as andrew jarman says not as he does.

worrying signs down at prospect.

Rubbish MD - you talk some absolute crap at times. Do yourself a favour and watch the tape and tell me Centrals didn't put players behind the ball in the first half other than their 6 defenders plus the traditional ruckman playing a kick behind play.

If North had delivered the ball better to the fwds in the first half given the number of inside 50 entries we had plus not having to chase the extra players who what just happened to materialise in Centrals defence (of course they were never instructed to run/flood back ) to keep the ball in the fwd fifty then the outcome may have been different - certainly on the weight off play we should have had a biggger lead but we didn't and paid the ultimate price.

[Jimmy]

The flood was defintely a North tactic. They did it in the first quarter and then went into a more attacking approach as the game wore on.

I have been critical of Jars in the past as being one dimensional but I must say I thought he coached well against us. He held us to 1 goal in the first and then attacked and was up by as much as 19 points. Unfortunately his team couldn't sustain the effort (not helped by an injury). I saw the real issue as the North players running out of petrol. Centrals appeared to be the fitter side.

If North "flooded" than Central's "deluged, rained, showered, flooded and went underwater".
Check out the replay of the game, North just played one on one.
As I said previously I don't think either team flooded but Centrals definately had more players back, noticable at the ground especially standing near the goals and noticable on TV.
Interesting point about the fitness, I think North were one of the fittest sides going around last year but we broke down with injuries and players were struggling mid season, I think this year we have a program set to apex towards the end of the year.

North didnt flood it was centrals. You obviously still got alot to learn about football Wedgie.

are you being funny here or just stupid??? coz this sounds pretty diff to what you were saying?? maybe my sarcasm detector was left at home?

[Wedgie]

[rod_rooster]

Have you got some software that does that Wedgie or do you just have too much time on your hands?