how bad are port ??

[Dogwatcher]

I really think that the forming of port power has attributed to the demise of port adelaide in the SANFL.

Very astute.

[sturt1]

Agree that it is myth now but back in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's it may have been true.

Most definitely.

Living off past glories unfortuately...

I really think that the forming of port power has attributed to the demise of port adelaide in the SANFL.

It must hurt that port power have taken over alberton oval it would have been better for all if they had shared AAMI with the crows and built their Allan Scott facility next to AAMI, after all they officially belong to the SANFL don't they?

The magpies have won 2 premierships since the power were formed, so I dont think its as simple as that. The legacy that John Cahill left at that club was enormous and I think steven williams took the glory in 98 and 99 but then Cahill left the club up until he was re-appointed a few years ago. Even though I cant stand the club, John Cahill is a legend and knows how to coach teams to ultimate success, particularly port.

[silent hour]

still haven't got a place they can call home.

Alberton these days is more associated with Port Power so either they leave Alberton or Port in the SANFL do and no prizes for guessing which one would be told to leave. Might be best for the SANFL too as it could get rid of the bye.

[RoosterMarty]

If Port leave the SANFL then North will be robbed of their annual 2 points at Alberton.

[Booney]

still haven't got a place they can call home.

Alberton these days is more associated with Port Power so either they leave Alberton or Port in the SANFL do and no prizes for guessing which one would be told to leave. Might be best for the SANFL too as it could get rid of the bye.

Are you suggesting there should be no Port Adelaide in the SANFL?

The biggest factor that has led to the gradual off-field decline of the Magpies are the ridiculous restrictions placed upon the AFL/SANFL Port Adelaide realtionship when the club entered the AFL.At the time the SANFL was,and I agree,concerned the Magpies would purely become a breeding ground for the AFL side,and would as a consequence make off-field gains not within the reach of the other 8 SANFL clubs,clearly giving them an advantage on the field.

This would have only manifested over the years and would have made the Magpies more successful than we were in the period leading up to joining the AFL.(Imagine that,more successful)

When the club entered the AFL the SANFL placed many resritctions on the relationship.No joint fundraising was one. ie: The Power can hold a family day or joint raffle with Glenelg,South or any other SANFL club,but not with the Magpies.

When the Magpies went to Ethelton some years ago is was used as a means of gaining extra revenue on top of the %age they gain from gaming/meals/bar takings at Alberton.

In the insuing years the AFL/SANFL relationship has soured,no doubt,and this has been to the detiment of the Magpies,but dont place all the blame on the AFL side of the club,it has alot to do with the SANFL fearing for their own future,and that of the competition locally.

One has to ask,has it? For me,and I would think most people,regardless of how much you hate Port Adelaide,our rightful place in the SANFL is in the 'powerhouse' (pardon the pun) category.

Rant over.

[Aerie]

One has to ask,has it? For me,and I would think most people,regardless of how much you hate Port Adelaide,our rightful place in the SANFL is in the 'powerhouse' (pardon the pun) category.

No one has a rightful place anywhere. Port clinging to 'powerhouse' status now is as much use as Sturt clinging to 'powerhouse' status from the 60's. The only 'powerhouse' term that could be used would be for the Power and their use of basketball tactics in the past month.

[silent hour]

Are you suggesting there should be no Port Adelaide in the SANFL?

If that is what is decided by the SANFL then yes.

When Port Power went into the AFL the SANFL was afraid that if Port was not still in the SANFL then the competition would suffer. From what has eventuated I would say that this thinking was wrong. Port in the SANFL are now struggling, yet the competition has not declined but if you ask the SANFL it is actually getting healthier over the last 3 - 4 years and in those years Central have been the powerhouse.

As Aerie said "No one has a rightful place anywhere. Port clinging to 'powerhouse' status now is as much use as Sturt clinging to 'powerhouse' status from the 60's".

So either port is in the AFL or port is in the SANFL not in both as it doesn't seem to be working.

[doggies4eva]

still haven't got a place they can call home.

Alberton these days is more associated with Port Power so either they leave Alberton or Port in the SANFL do and no prizes for guessing which one would be told to leave. Might be best for the SANFL too as it could get rid of the bye.

Are you suggesting there should be no Port Adelaide in the SANFL?

The biggest factor that has led to the gradual off-field decline of the Magpies are the ridiculous restrictions placed upon the AFL/SANFL Port Adelaide realtionship when the club entered the AFL.At the time the SANFL was,and I agree,concerned the Magpies would purely become a breeding ground for the AFL side,and would as a consequence make off-field gains not within the reach of the other 8 SANFL clubs,clearly giving them an advantage on the field.

This would have only manifested over the years and would have made the Magpies more successful than we were in the period leading up to joining the AFL.(Imagine that,more successful)

When the club entered the AFL the SANFL placed many resritctions on the relationship.No joint fundraising was one. ie: The Power can hold a family day or joint raffle with Glenelg,South or any other SANFL club,but not with the Magpies.

When the Magpies went to Ethelton some years ago is was used as a means of gaining extra revenue on top of the %age they gain from gaming/meals/bar takings at Alberton.

In the insuing years the AFL/SANFL relationship has soured,no doubt,and this has been to the detiment of the Magpies,but dont place all the blame on the AFL side of the club,it has alot to do with the SANFL fearing for their own future,and that of the competition locally.

One has to ask,has it? For me,and I would think most people,regardless of how much you hate Port Adelaide,our rightful place in the SANFL is in the 'powerhouse' (pardon the pun) category.

Rant over.

Well why don't they fund-raise with the Crows then?

[MST]

One has to ask,has it? For me,and I would think most people,regardless of how much you hate Port Adelaide,our rightful place in the SANFL is in the 'powerhouse' (pardon the pun) category.

No one has a rightful place anywhere. Port clinging to 'powerhouse' status now is as much use as Sturt clinging to 'powerhouse' status from the 60's. The only 'powerhouse' term that could be used would be for the Power and their use of basketball tactics in the past month.

I think the term 'powerhouse' encompasses more than just on-field success in terms of current performance.

Premierships won
Grand finals played in
Supporter/membership base
Magarey Medallists
Attandance records/crowd averages
Formidable rivalries with other such clubs (Port/Norwood, Sturt/Port, Norwood/Sturt)

These are all factors that make a great club, so from that point of view, Port Adelaide Magpies are most certainly a 'powerhouse'. So too are Sturt, to a lesser extent.

It's a little like Liverpool in the English Premiership. They haven't won a league title since 89/90 but have won their fair share of trophies along the way. They have a massive supporter base, their ground is world famous and there is a certain class or aura about them, a la Port, Norwood and Sturt.

[am Bays]

I think the term 'powerhouse' encompasses more than just on-field success in terms of current performance.

Premierships won
Grand finals played in
Supporter/membership base
Magarey Medallists
Attandance records/crowd averages
Formidable rivalries with other such clubs (Port/Norwood, Sturt/Port, Norwood/Sturt)

These are all factors that make a great club, so from that point of view, Port Adelaide Magpies are most certainly a 'powerhouse'. So too are Sturt, to a lesser extent.

It's a little like Liverpool in the English Premiership. They haven't won a league title since 89/90 but have won their fair share of trophies along the way. They have a massive supporter base, their ground is world famous and there is a certain class or aura about them, a la Port, Norwood and Sturt.

Just a thought is winning the most 'spoons in the last 20 years a requisite for a modern day powerhouse????

[Pseudo]

These are all factors that make a great club, so from that point of view, Port Adelaide Magpies are most certainly a 'powerhouse'. So too are Sturt, to a lesser extent.

Either you mis-typed "were", or you're still living in the seventies.

[Hondo]

If we are talking 'powerhouses' you need to specify an era. Since 2000, Centrals YES, Port definitely NO. I think they have only won 2 finals since 1999?

1990s - Port by a MILE

I don't think you can point to a past successful era and use it to forever label one club as a powerhouse. Bjorn Borg was a powerhouse in the 70s .... Federer is a powerhouse today ... must specify a time period IMO.

That covers on the field. Off the field are Port a 'powerhouse' compared to other clubs? Maybe in supporter numbers but that's about it.

Spelly helped me to move on from my 'stuck in the past'/inferiority complex / Port problem in a similar thread a few weeks ago .....

[Rhino]

I think the term 'powerhouse' encompasses more than just on-field success in terms of current performance.

Premierships won
Grand finals played in
Supporter/membership base
Magarey Medallists
Attandance records/crowd averages
Formidable rivalries with other such clubs (Port/Norwood, Sturt/Port, Norwood/Sturt)

These are all factors that make a great club, so from that point of view, Port Adelaide Magpies are most certainly a 'powerhouse'. So too are Sturt, to a lesser extent.

It's a little like Liverpool in the English Premiership. They haven't won a league title since 89/90 but have won their fair share of trophies along the way. They have a massive supporter base, their ground is world famous and there is a certain class or aura about them, a la Port, Norwood and Sturt.

Just a thought is winning the most 'spoons in the last 20 years a requisite for a modern day powerhouse????

Yes, if we're also talking:

~ Supporter/membership base
~ Magarey Medallists
~ Attendance records/crowd averages
~ Formidable rivalries with other such clubs (Port/Norwood, Sturt/Port, Norwood/Sturt)

[smithy]

I don't think you can point to a past successful era and use it to forever label one club as a powerhouse. Bjorn Borg was a powerhouse in the 70s .... Federer is a powerhouse today ... must specify a time period IMO.

I think it's a bit different comparing individuals and teams/clubs when it comes to powerhouses though Hondo.

[smithy]

I think the term 'powerhouse' encompasses more than just on-field success in terms of current performance.

Premierships won
Grand finals played in
Supporter/membership base
Magarey Medallists
Attandance records/crowd averages
Formidable rivalries with other such clubs (Port/Norwood, Sturt/Port, Norwood/Sturt)

These are all factors that make a great club, so from that point of view, Port Adelaide Magpies are most certainly a 'powerhouse'. So too are Sturt, to a lesser extent.

It's a little like Liverpool in the English Premiership. They haven't won a league title since 89/90 but have won their fair share of trophies along the way. They have a massive supporter base, their ground is world famous and there is a certain class or aura about them, a la Port, Norwood and Sturt.

Just a thought is winning the most 'spoons in the last 20 years a requisite for a modern day powerhouse????

Using that terminology Tassie, Glenelg should never have been mentioned as one in the 1st place throughout their history.

[sturt1]

Imagine port got back mcloed, thompson, johncock, p burgoyne, s burgoyne, wilson, tredrae, ebert, wakelin, any blokes picked up in the mini draft playing for crows and power and all the other blokes playing for interstate afl clubs that came from port. The truth is they have been decimated and we know this has been the case for years. Only westies at the moment rival them in the amount of players lost to the afl - but the quality port have lost for so long surely has to be a reason as to why there dominance of our comp has faded.

[johntheclaret]

I really think that the forming of port power has attributed to the demise of port adelaide in the SANFL.

Very astute.

Not trying to bait anyone, and forgive me if I am completely wrong, but I was sure that Port Power was the original Port Adelaide, and that PAM was formed to replace Port Adelaide that left to join the AwFL.

Is this not right??

[Jimmy]

I really think that the forming of port power has attributed to the demise of port adelaide in the SANFL.

Very astute.

Not trying to bait anyone, and forgive me if I am completely wrong, but I was sure that Port Power was the original Port Adelaide, and that PAM was formed to replace Port Adelaide that left to join the AwFL.

Is this not right??

[johntheclaret]

I really think that the forming of port power has attributed to the demise of port adelaide in the SANFL.

Very astute.

Not trying to bait anyone, and forgive me if I am completely wrong, but I was sure that Port Power was the original Port Adelaide, and that PAM was formed to replace Port Adelaide that left to join the AwFL.

Is this not right??

I was being genuine Jimmy. I leave the baiting to a professional like you mate

[am Bays]

Using that terminology Tassie, Glenelg should never have been mentioned as one in the 1st place throughout their history.

well 20 years is a generation so you could argue 1967 to 1987 we were....but over the last 20 years nup.....

Within the last 20 years Glenelg: 0 flags, 3 GFs 7 finals appearances & 3 spoons. Sturt 1 flag, 2 GFs 8 final appearances & 8 spoons.....comparable records really