North and the AFL

[sigur]

If the crows had a reserves team who would ruck? Assuming all players were fit you'd have hudson & biglands playing for the crows and griffin, meeson, maric, tippet & maybe sellar all trying to ruck for the crows reserves. Hardly an optimal solution.

Worse though for the SANFL would be if there was an AFL reserves comp and the AFL teams had to increase their playing lists - we'd lose a lot of kids east.

[Aerie]

Congratulations to Glen Elliott and the North Adelaide Football.
Well done for sticking up for your club and the SANFL.
SANFL clubs have been used for too long by Power/Crows

Make ALL AFL players play reserves footy only
Thats what the current Crows coach used to do regularly at Norwood.

Seems very convienient for SANFL clubs to prop up injured or out
of form AFL footballers for the AFL teams benefit.

Yeah yeah yeah the old ,
" ITS THIER PLAYERS THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEM."

Next time an AFL player gets dropped Jars + Elliott should not pick him and say
" WE ARE RESTING HIM FOR NEXT WEEKS GAME...."

Until the situation comes up where it is of benefit for North to play an AFL player...

North seem to use their website quite a bit to make snide remarks and create controversy. A bit unprofessional for an official website isn't it?

[FlyingHigh]

Top point, sigur. The players have more opportunities to play in their normal positions across a number of teams than they would if they played all in the one team, and maybe get 15 minutes rucking or at CHF, because another player then has to be tried there

[JK]

I agree, excellent point Sigur, certainly something I'd overlooked when thinking about the matter.

[Macca19]

A few people seem to be forgetting something here, something that Booney mentioned in the other thread.

What is the SANFLs biggest investment/money earner? Adelaide and Port. So why is the SANFL/SANFL clubs screwing over the two AFL clubs good for football in this state?

Barto - You say a reserves team is a terrible situation but that AFL clubs shouldnt treat SANFL clubs that way. What is your solution to the problem then?

Mal - How is your view on things good for football in this state.

Sojourner - How is playing young interstate players only in the reserves going to help the situation?

Constance - Not sure if having set reserves teams would affect attendances. Id say attendances would still be the same but memberships for clubs may be less. Id say some fringe SANFL barrackers would jump off. You'd probably see less people at the games not involving PA and Adelaide but more at those particular games.

As I said. Certain SANFL clubs dont have to take players in the mini draft if they dont want to deal with the situation at hand. Dont see them knocking back the AFL dividend though. Maybe they should.

Just remember. The SANFL owns the licence for the Crows and Power. Those two clubs are the SANFLs biggest earner. Any idea of clubs screwing over the AFL clubs players is pure fantasy.

[mal]

If the crows had a reserves team who would ruck? Assuming all players were fit you'd have hudson & biglands playing for the crows and griffin, meeson, maric, tippet & maybe sellar all trying to ruck for the crows reserves. Hardly an optimal solution.

Worse though for the SANFL would be if there was an AFL reserves comp and the AFL teams had to increase their playing lists - we'd lose a lot of kids east.

Play them in SANFL reserves teams.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Barto - You say a reserves team is a terrible situation but that AFL clubs shouldnt treat SANFL clubs that way. What is your solution to the problem then?

We've been over this before Macca.
So give us your Power reserves line up for this week.

[am Bays]

MAcca whilst I agree with most of your points, despite my earlier comments on the Willets case, I ask did you believe that in 1994 when Port was playing an Adelaide FC listed player in reserves (S Pedler) when for his development it would have been beter for him to be playing league....???

Graham should have been able to tell Jack where to play his Adelaide FC listed players at the Magpies???

So excuse me if I take Port supporters trotting out the AFL club should be able to dictate where its players should play at the SANFL level line with a pinch of salt given the history of this debate over the last 16 years....

[bulldogproud]

I'd imagine North are probably the only ones with the guts to air the concerns that all clubs share, while most others remain privately annoyed but publicly silent, good on them for sharing their thoughts with their members/supporters.

Rather than just voice their opinion, Central go as far as being willing to lose Power or Crow footballers in putting the club ahead of the individual. Paxman, Lockwood and Surjan spring to mind as three players whom we have been willing to give up so as to look after our club.
Cheers.

[BPBRB]

I'd imagine North are probably the only ones with the guts to air the concerns that all clubs share, while most others remain privately annoyed but publicly silent, good on them for sharing their thoughts with their members/supporters.

Rather than just voice their opinion, Central go as far as being willing to lose Power or Crow footballers in putting the club ahead of the individual. Paxman, Lockwood and Surjan spring to mind as three players whom we have been willing to give up so as to look after our club.
Cheers.

C'mon we gave up Tom Gilligan!

[Macca19]

MAcca whilst I agree with most of your points, despite my earlier comments on the Willets case, I ask did you believe that in 1994 when Port was playing an Adelaide FC listed player in reserves (S Pedler) when for his development it would have been beter for him to be playing league....???

Graham should have been able to tell Jack where to play his Adelaide FC listed players at the Magpies???

So excuse me if I take Port supporters trotting out the AFL club should be able to dictate where its players should play at the SANFL level line with a pinch of salt given the history of this debate over the last 16 years....

From what I can remember, Graham Cornes has always applauded Jack Cahill and the Magpies dealings with Crows listed players over the years. Stephen Williams as well. From what I can remember, he always said that they were easy to deal with and happy to look after their specific needs. THe same cant be said for the Crows current coach who was the exact opposite of that. And its not all one way either. It was Stephen Williams who went to the Crows and suggested that Tyson Stenglien be tried as a midfielder when he was drafted as a Full Back. Didnt hear too many Crows supporters complaining about that one.

What you bring up though is a different kettle of fish all together. Should Graham have asked or demanded that Pedler be played in the forward lines? Yes. Should Graham have demanded that Pedler be played in the seniors (even though he played 16 matches that year including a premiership)? Essentially no, but maybe. Id say that both coaches would know if a player is ready to play regular senior football or not.

Every footballer is not at the same level of development. Do I expect every player that Power drafts to be gifted a league spot just because they are on our list? Hell no. Not in the slightest. I expect that they get given a fair go and that the SANFL clubs give them fair treatment and play them where they are asked to be played.Ive had no issue with almost every Power player that has either started in the reserves or been dropped to reserves because of form. Ill happily go through them layer by player if you wish.

I dont expect players to be gifted spots in the seniors if it isnt warranted. I do expect AFL listed players to be played in a position that the AFL club would like them to play in though.

[Barto]

So why is the SANFL/SANFL clubs screwing over the two AFL clubs good for football in this state?

How are the AFL clubs being 'screwed'? They're doing nicely.. well the Crows are at least.

The current arrangement is the best one. All the clubs ask is some kind of consideration. The AFL players have to go back at some stage, why wouldn't the AFL clubs want to keep a good working relationship with the SANFL clubs?

[Barto]

If the crows had a reserves team who would ruck? Assuming all players were fit you'd have hudson & biglands playing for the crows and griffin, meeson, maric, tippet & maybe sellar all trying to ruck for the crows reserves. Hardly an optimal solution.

Worse though for the SANFL would be if there was an AFL reserves comp and the AFL teams had to increase their playing lists - we'd lose a lot of kids east.

Play them in SANFL reserves teams.

Not bad. They'd still be getting a run

[Macca19]

Barto - You say a reserves team is a terrible situation but that AFL clubs shouldnt treat SANFL clubs that way. What is your solution to the problem then?

We've been over this before Macca.
So give us your Power reserves line up for this week.

As I have said numerous times before, supplementary list players would need to be involved.

[Macca19]

So why is the SANFL/SANFL clubs screwing over the two AFL clubs good for football in this state?

How are the AFL clubs being 'screwed'?

THat comment was in relation to posts claiming that AFL listed players should only play reserves or that SANFL clubs should say 'sorry, we arent playing your player this week'.

[Barto]

So why is the SANFL/SANFL clubs screwing over the two AFL clubs good for football in this state?

How are the AFL clubs being 'screwed'?

THat comment was in relation to posts claiming that AFL listed players should only play reserves or that SANFL clubs should say 'sorry, we arent playing your player this week'.

Well it's not happening so they're proposing "screwing" the AFL clubs. Isn't the rule still in place that if the player is dropped from the AFL he cant be put in the SANFL reserves? So as far as I can see, the screwing is coming the other way. Lube us up at least.

You've got a Port Power-centric view and that's fair enough as it's your club. Please accept that we support our clubs and want them to succeed and don't see our clubs as nothing more than breeding grounds and pastures for your cattle, like the AFL do.

[BPBRB]

Congratulations to Glen Elliott and the North Adelaide Football.
Well done for sticking up for your club and the SANFL.
SANFL clubs have been used for too long by Power/Crows

Make ALL AFL players play reserves footy only
Thats what the current Crows coach used to do regularly at Norwood.

Seems very convienient for SANFL clubs to prop up injured or out
of form AFL footballers for the AFL teams benefit.

Yeah yeah yeah the old ,
" ITS THIER PLAYERS THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT WITH THEM."

Next time an AFL player gets dropped Jars + Elliott should not pick him and say
" WE ARE RESTING HIM FOR NEXT WEEKS GAME...."

Until the situation comes up where it is of benefit for North to play an AFL player...

North seem to use their website quite a bit to make snide remarks and create controversy. A bit unprofessional for an official website isn't it?

What other snide or controverial remarks have been posted on North's website (other than this topic if ou call that snide or controversial)?

[rod_rooster]

If the crows had a reserves team who would ruck? Assuming all players were fit you'd have hudson & biglands playing for the crows and griffin, meeson, maric, tippet & maybe sellar all trying to ruck for the crows reserves. Hardly an optimal solution.

This is a very good point but also raises the question of what the Vic clubs do in this situation. I reckon the Crows and Port have a bit of a luxury that the Vic clubs don't in that they can have this many players who play one position and all of them have somewhere to play. Should one of the Victorian clubs have this situation they'd have some of them playing VFL reserves or even lower.

[rod_rooster]

I'd imagine North are probably the only ones with the guts to air the concerns that all clubs share, while most others remain privately annoyed but publicly silent, good on them for sharing their thoughts with their members/supporters.

Rather than just voice their opinion, Central go as far as being willing to lose Power or Crow footballers in putting the club ahead of the individual. Paxman, Lockwood and Surjan spring to mind as three players whom we have been willing to give up so as to look after our club.
Cheers.

C'mon we gave up Tom Gilligan!

ROFLMAO

[Macca19]

So why is the SANFL/SANFL clubs screwing over the two AFL clubs good for football in this state?

How are the AFL clubs being 'screwed'?

THat comment was in relation to posts claiming that AFL listed players should only play reserves or that SANFL clubs should say 'sorry, we arent playing your player this week'.

Well it's not happening so they're proposing "screwing" the AFL clubs.

Did you even read my posts? I understand they arent screwing over the clubs. Again, my post was in relations to comments that they SHOULD screw over the clubs, and how such a thing does nothing positive for football in this state.

Isn't the rule still in place that if the player is dropped from the AFL he cant be put in the SANFL reserves? So as far as I can see, the screwing is coming the other way. Lube us up at least.

For two matches yes. Is there an issue with this rule? If a player is playing AFL one week, why would he suddenly be put in the reserves the next?

You've got a Port Power-centric view and that's fair enough as it's your club. Please accept that we support our clubs and want them to succeed and don't see our clubs as nothing more than breeding grounds and pastures for your cattle, like the AFL do.

Yes I am looking at it from an AFL view point but what has that got to do with it? Im as much a supporter and member of the Magpies as I am the Power. In fact I put a lot more money towards the Magpies (who have had one AFL player named and then pulled out I believe 3 times this year) each year than I do the Power. So again, what is your point with that comment?