which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

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which team can cause central (most) problems in the finals

sturt
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north
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23%
eagles
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glenelg
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norwood
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port
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umpires
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby Grahaml » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:35 am

There are other ways to recognise people who make sacrifices and significant contributions to football, but handing out freebie premiership medals just isn't the way to do it. I'm sure the medal means nothing to him which is yet another reason not to have given it to him to start with.
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby spell_check » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:38 am

Grahaml wrote:There are other ways to recognise people who make sacrifices and significant contributions to football, but handing out freebie premiership medals just isn't the way to do it. I'm sure the medal means nothing to him which is yet another reason not to have given it to him to start with.


Put him in the Hall of Fame? You'd say he didn't deserve it.

Give him an OAM? You'd say he didn't deserve it.

Tell me, how you he should be recoginsed?
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby Grahaml » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:51 am

You're right on both those counts. He doesn't deserve those.

Make him a life member of the WWTFC for his contributions, name an award after him, hold a testimonial for him etc. There are numerous ways to honour someone it's just a matter of finding the award to suit the achievement. I don't think the league should do anything at all until the time when he might earn playing life membership of the SANFL. His contributions to the WWTFC might be significant, but his contribution to the SANFL to date pales in comparison to many other players and officials who have never recieved anything they didn't earn.
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby Jimmy » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:59 am

spell_check wrote:It's merely a token gesture to him for what he has done at the club, and to selflessly pull out of the team on the day.


even so, the sanfl have made an error here by giving him the medal. we all know he knows deep down he doesnt deserve it.

thredders didnt get one from the sanfl??

the sanfl need to clarify why some have got one and some havent.

FWIW, thredders didnt play in the gf, so he doesnt get one.

crazy stuff :roll:
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby smac » Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:53 am

It was an emotional band-aid presented amongst the relief of the eagles finally breaking through.

I think most clubs can point to a player that "could've, should've, would've" won one, but didn't because they weren't playing that day. Scott Lee stands out as Centrals example.

There was no real explanation given as to why the policy changed last year and no real indication as to whether or not it will be made formal policy.

The players all know who played on the day and more importantly Gavin would know that he didn't play. Scott Lee has stated publicly that he wouldn't have accepted one if offered as he didn't feel he had earned one.

Why does he need some recognition from the SANFL for not playing? I have not played in 5 Centrals premierships and have received exactly what I deserved from the SANFL - nothing.
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby Aerie » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:16 pm

Jimmy wrote:
spell_check wrote:It's merely a token gesture to him for what he has done at the club, and to selflessly pull out of the team on the day.


even so, the sanfl have made an error here by giving him the medal. we all know he knows deep down he doesnt deserve it.

thredders didnt get one from the sanfl??

the sanfl need to clarify why some have got one and some havent.

FWIW, thredders didnt play in the gf, so he doesnt get one.

crazy stuff :roll:


Thredgold was dropped. Colville could have played if he wanted to, but for the benefit of the team pulled out to give a fully fit Sam Fairclough the chance. He sacrificed personal glory for the club. Medal or no medal, everyone that matters knows the significance of Gavin Colville to the Eagles premiership last year. The SANFL felt it warranted a premiership medal so they gave him one. Big deal...
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby JK » Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:51 pm

Presenting West, Macca and Colville with medals is not only wrong, it's pretty unfair on those three blokes who probably felt (and still could) uncomfortable in accepting them.

I reckon Geelong could cause Centrals some problems in this years GF ... In all seriousness, I think the other 3 all have legitimate claims, but I'll still comfortable put my $$ on the Dogs.
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby Grahaml » Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:07 pm

Take Fairclough's medal and give that to Colville then if you think Colville deserves it more. By your reckoning then anyone who could have played in a GF but can't because of injury should get one. So cue up the extra medals at the end of the season because if the dogs win it Steinberner and Cowan will be needing them!
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby bulldogproud » Tue Aug 21, 2007 1:55 pm

Lairdy has introduced a lot of new players to the side in recent weeks so that each of them can also receive a premiership medal if we win *grins*
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby Aerie » Tue Aug 21, 2007 2:49 pm

Grahaml wrote:Take Fairclough's medal and give that to Colville then if you think Colville deserves it more. By your reckoning then anyone who could have played in a GF but can't because of injury should get one. So cue up the extra medals at the end of the season because if the dogs win it Steinberner and Cowan will be needing them!


It doesn't really bother me if Colville, or anyone, gets a medal or not. The fact is the SANFL thought he deserved one so they gave him one. I don't see why anyone should really care, especially supporters from the losing side.
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby BPBRB » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:14 pm

Aerie wrote:
Grahaml wrote:Take Fairclough's medal and give that to Colville then if you think Colville deserves it more. By your reckoning then anyone who could have played in a GF but can't because of injury should get one. So cue up the extra medals at the end of the season because if the dogs win it Steinberner and Cowan will be needing them!


It doesn't really bother me if Colville, or anyone, gets a medal or not. The fact is the SANFL thought he deserved one so they gave him one. I don't see why anyone should really care, especially supporters from the losing side.


Personally speaking, there are a lot of players who contribute to a teams premiership over the course of a season and many miss out as you can't squeeze 30 or so (more sometimes) players who don the league jumper over a season into the 21 on the day. Those injured who would have been walk up starts or those squeezed out because of AFL players coming back are the most hard done by.

There has to be some recognition of their input so I have no real issue with Colville getting a medal and Thredgold should have got one in his situation too - however hollow it may be to some or to the individual themselves.
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby spell_check » Tue Aug 21, 2007 6:55 pm

Aerie wrote:
Grahaml wrote:Take Fairclough's medal and give that to Colville then if you think Colville deserves it more. By your reckoning then anyone who could have played in a GF but can't because of injury should get one. So cue up the extra medals at the end of the season because if the dogs win it Steinberner and Cowan will be needing them!


It doesn't really bother me if Colville, or anyone, gets a medal or not. The fact is the SANFL thought he deserved one so they gave him one. I don't see why anyone should really care, especially supporters from the losing side.


Spot on, Aerie.

And BPBRB, I was thinking that there should be a "premiership squad" medal awarded to everyone who played a League match that season for the team, but not in the Grand Final. The players who played in the match should get a "premiership player" medal.

Then we wouldn't need to talk about this issue anymore.
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby RustyCage » Tue Aug 21, 2007 7:07 pm

spell_check wrote:
Aerie wrote:
Grahaml wrote:Take Fairclough's medal and give that to Colville then if you think Colville deserves it more. By your reckoning then anyone who could have played in a GF but can't because of injury should get one. So cue up the extra medals at the end of the season because if the dogs win it Steinberner and Cowan will be needing them!


It doesn't really bother me if Colville, or anyone, gets a medal or not. The fact is the SANFL thought he deserved one so they gave him one. I don't see why anyone should really care, especially supporters from the losing side.


Spot on, Aerie.

And BPBRB, I was thinking that there should be a "premiership squad" medal awarded to everyone who played a League match that season for the team, but not in the Grand Final. The players who played in the match should get a "premiership player" medal.

Then we wouldn't need to talk about this issue anymore.


Yep, agree 100%. Im sure clubs would do something like this internally anyway. If not, they should.
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby BPBRB » Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:09 pm

Ditto to those suggestions!
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby am Bays » Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:46 pm

My 5c worth players who "miss out" on GF sides through injury or what ever should get a club reward not a League medallion.

the league premiership medallion is for the 21 players who play on that day only...

Anything else is gross tokanism
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby Grahaml » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:31 am

A premiership medal for everyone who played league throughout the year is worse! You only become the premiers by winning the grand final. That's it. Until we redefine the what the premiers need to do to win the medals recognition as premiership players should only go to the players who won that game. If we played the soccer style premiership where there are no finals then all players who played throughout the season would deserve one.

Aerie, your comment about the league seeing fit to give him one is exactly what I'm not happy about. I'm NOT blaming anyone who was not involved in the decision to award him the medal, just the group, and I believe it is only the SANFL, who made the decision. This hasn't anything to do with being a supporter on the winning of losing side. In fact, I would have though after failing miserably so many times you would actually understand the value of actually winning, and being in the winning team.

PREMIERSHIP medals belong to PREMIERSHIP players. The Premiership is won by the 21 blokes who play on the winning grand final team. Seems pretty simple to me.
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby spell_check » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:35 am

Miserably, lol. Once, miserably.

You cannot get to the Grand Final without winning matches to get there. So those who played a part during the season should get a medal for it. Not a "premiership player" medal, but a "premiership squad" medal.

By the way, thanks for changing the subject here. Perhaps we could get back on to the subject.
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby bulldogproud » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:40 pm

spell_check wrote:Miserably, lol. Once, miserably.

You cannot get to the Grand Final without winning matches to get there. So those who played a part during the season should get a medal for it. Not a "premiership player" medal, but a "premiership squad" medal.

By the way, thanks for changing the subject here. Perhaps we could get back on to the subject.


Yes, but you can't get into the GF without the support of all the bootspriggers, timekeepers, trainers, statisticians, supportive girlfriends, boyfriends etc. Why not give them all a medal too?
Also, will you take a medal off anyone who played in a losing team during the year then, as that loss hindered their chance of being in the finals?
Keep it as it is meant to be: only for the players who participated in the GF. Let the clubs reward the others in any way they seem fit.
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby BPBRB » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:31 pm

bulldogproud wrote:
spell_check wrote:Miserably, lol. Once, miserably.

You cannot get to the Grand Final without winning matches to get there. So those who played a part during the season should get a medal for it. Not a "premiership player" medal, but a "premiership squad" medal.

By the way, thanks for changing the subject here. Perhaps we could get back on to the subject.


Yes, but you can't get into the GF without the support of all the bootspriggers, timekeepers, trainers, statisticians, supportive girlfriends, boyfriends etc. Why not give them all a medal too?
Also, will you take a medal off anyone who played in a losing team during the year then, as that loss hindered their chance of being in the finals?
Keep it as it is meant to be: only for the players who participated in the GF. Let the clubs reward the others in any way they seem fit.
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Yep, can't disagree with your thoughts either!
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Re: which team could cause central most problems in the finals ?

Postby G » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:54 pm

The 21 who played in the premiership are the only ones who should receive a medal. It should be a cut and dried decision and then there are no embarrassing moments for the SANFL about giving them to unlucky players.

If Macca, Colville, West etc got medals, how about Switala, Thredgold, Wildy, Roe etc. The bottom line was they didnt play so bad luck, they miss out.
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