2007 2nd Semi Central v North

[Dogwatcher]

Are you saying this has happened at the football. Validate your statement please.

[Sam_goUUUdogs]

I'm not saying I agree with the flares.

But, they aren't thrown Rhino...

They can be and sometimes are.....

so could a football, drink bottle, flag etc.

[Grahaml]

Thought the umpiring was pretty good actually. Luckily they missed a couple in the last (I think Sibenaler or McKenzie got away with a one handed handpass in the second half sometime. However, the push in the back call for Younie's goal was very disappointing. I think the umpires made the call they are instructed to make, but it is simply unfair that a player can be tackled, throw himself forward and force the tackling player to either let go, or give away a free kick. The tackler (one of the Gowans?) was just trying to hold him, didn't propel him forward and in those circumstances a free kick should never be given away. Younie lurched forward to try to get his hands free, and so IMO was completely responsible for the tackler going into his back. The fact it was dead in front should make no difference to the ruling, but it really hurt to concede an early goal in a final in that manner. Rule/interpretation needs to be changed.

[Dogwatcher]

I agree with all of your statements GL.

[Grahaml]

All of them? Gosh, even I don't agree with all my statements! Or do you just mean my last statements?

[Dogwatcher]

Good point, that should've read 'sentiments' not statements!
I agree with all of your sentiments in that post regarding the umpiring.

The rest of the time, you're full of it

[smac]

I agree with your second last post too, Graham. Aside from the bit about umpires being pretty good. The rest is quite sensible, which is why it is extremely unlikely that anything will change.

Spirit of the game is lost on umpires, sadly.

[Grahaml]

The umpires get the decisions right more than 90% of the time according to the powers that be. The umpires have their instructions and they follow them. Usually if you disagree with a decision it's the instruction to the umpires you don't agree with. The umpires just are the ones who represent the entire system of which they are only the last part.

[BPBRB]

I thought apart from a couple of clangers including Younie's gift, it was not a game anywhere near affected by umpiring considering some games I have seen this year. In all honesty I hardly noticed them all day.

[Wedgie]

Agreed the gift to Younie was an absolute shocker.

[Dogwatcher]

Far out, this is ridiculous. Agreed again with the past two posters! What is going onnnnnn????

[bulldogproud]

Thanks for the support, guys. Just seemed bewildering tome someone would say North were better on paper.

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Graham, just looking line by line I think that North do look better on paper:

Forward Line: Wundke, White, Kreig versus Slade, Havelberg, Grima
Fairly even with White having the ascendancy on Havelberg in the key post.

Half Forward Line: Gill, Alleway, Motlop versus O'Sullivan, Lawry and James Gowans
Would definitely have to give North the advantage on this line.

Centre: Lonie, Allan, Bamford versus Ware, Chris Gowans, Switala
Definitely have to give North the edge on this line.

Half Back Line: Sporn, Schubert, Hart versus Symes, Schell, Thomas
Central's strongest line and one I feel we have the edge in.

Full Back Line: Ivens, McIntyre, Coulter versus Cochrane, Sibenaler, Hayes
Central would have the edge here I believe

Rucks: O'Hara, Howard, Younie versus Griffin, Slattery, Callinan
Fairly even line.

Interchange: Wakelin, Cubillo, Wintle versus McKenzie, Dutschke, Obst
I believe that North have the better bench.

Fairly even overall but if you look straight down the spine:
White, Alleway, Allan, Schubert and McIntyre versus Havelberg, Lawry, Chris Gowans, Schell and Sibenaler.
I would give the edge to North. I believe we have the better Centre Half Back but I believe North have the better Full Forward, Centre Half Forward and Centre. Full Backs break even I believe.

Cheers

[Grahaml]

I can't believe that. What are you basing your opinion of which is the better player on? You can't compare each line like that because the structure is different. No team lines up like that. And some of your assessments are just crazy. Are you trying to pump North up? Griffin, Slattery and Callinan SLAUGHTERED O'Hara, Howard and Younie on Sunday and you rate them equal?

[bulldogproud]

Grahaml, I did say on paper and that is how they were listed on paper. Also in comparing sides on paper I believe it is very useful to look at sides line by line and straight down the spine. Am I not entitled on an opinion? We may have won the ruck division this Sunday but overall I rate O'Hara, Howard and Younie quite highly.
Cheers

[bulldogproud]

Graham, would love your verdicts on a line by line basis and down the spine.
Cheers

[rod_rooster]

Grahaml would find a case for Central's spine against this years All Australian side He just can't seem satisfied with the fact his side is into an eighth GF in a row. Grumpy bloke he is now imagine if his side was not the best in the comp for the better part of a decade.

[bulldogproud]

I think the fact that we may not have a stand-out best on paper side speaks volumes for the way the players knit together and the effort they put in. I think we are a Champion Team rather than a Team of Champions. I know which one I would rather have.
Cheers

[Grahaml]

Again, how do you assess which player is better? How do you come to the conclusion O'Hara, Howard and Younie are the equal of Griffin, Slattery and Callinan? If you think a line by line comparison is any good at all then you're already stuffed by the fact that the teams didn't line up like that. You have Gill and Alleway on the half forward line against Symes, Schell and Thomas. The "on paper" saying in footy refers to the teams overall and how they are expected to perform and not the way it's laid out in the advertiser. Your assessment also falls apart because it assumes the whole game is played with each player staying in the same spot. Symes and Thomas spend considerable amounts of time on the ball, so how does your analysis account for that?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it's the facts and logic you can back it up with that determine which is the more valid.

[rod_rooster]

I think the fact that we may not have a stand-out best on paper side speaks volumes for the way the players knit together and the effort they put in. I think we are a Champion Team rather than a Team of Champions. I know which one I would rather have.
Cheers

Well said. Couldn't agree more. Who cares what the individual players are like it's what the team as a whole does and no team does it as well as yours.

[bulldogproud]

Graham, when making the statement which you ridiculed I stated that I believed that the North team listed in the paper looked better than ours. You say that the facts go against me. Well: Fact: That is how the teams were listed in the paper. This is all I was saying. No matter what positional changes happened, the fact was that those were the teams listed on paper. There is no possible disputing of that.
Cheers