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Postby mal » Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:52 pm

rod_rooster wrote:
mal wrote:Lets not kid ourselves those Eagles would have won a flag
of Centrals if they had all their Crows players to pick from.


What if all sides had all AFL players they had produced? Eagles are just fortunate that so many of there's have stayed with Adelaide based clubs. Shudder to think about Port having all AFL players they have produced.


Absolutely correct.
There would have been a lot of Port v Woodville West Torrens
grand finals in recent years.
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Postby drebin » Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:53 pm

mal wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:
mal wrote:Lets not kid ourselves those Eagles would have won a flag
of Centrals if they had all their Crows players to pick from.


What if all sides had all AFL players they had produced? Eagles are just fortunate that so many of there's have stayed with Adelaide based clubs. Shudder to think about Port having all AFL players they have produced.


Absolutely correct.
There would have been a lot of Port v Woodville West Torrens
grand finals in recent years.


Shit what about South? There's a fair chance they would have at least made the finals with their AFL players.
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Postby rod_rooster » Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:08 am

mal wrote:
rod_rooster wrote:
mal wrote:Lets not kid ourselves those Eagles would have won a flag
of Centrals if they had all their Crows players to pick from.


What if all sides had all AFL players they had produced? Eagles are just fortunate that so many of there's have stayed with Adelaide based clubs. Shudder to think about Port having all AFL players they have produced.


Absolutely correct.
There would have been a lot of Port v Woodville West Torrens
grand finals in recent years.


West might have had a fair crack also.
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Postby raymond » Mon Jul 24, 2006 6:51 pm

yep and we got 5
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Postby doggies4eva » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:53 pm

Its a myth that the dogs hav won their flags mainly due to recruiting. If you look at their GF teams most players have been home-grown with a bit of selective recruiting. Those recruits were not big name AFL players but generally unknown players who wanted to play footy and have stayed (and performed).

The big recruiters this year - North and Port haven't yet made it to the GF and could once again be spectators come October.
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Postby Punk Rooster » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:05 pm

doggies4eva wrote:Its a myth that the dogs hav won their flags mainly due to recruiting. If you look at their GF teams most players have been home-grown with a bit of selective recruiting. Those recruits were not big name AFL players but generally unknown players who wanted to play footy and have stayed (and performed).

The big recruiters this year - North and Port haven't yet made it to the GF and could once again be spectators come October.

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Postby Aerie » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:07 pm

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doggies4eva wrote:Its a myth that the dogs hav won their flags mainly due to recruiting. If you look at their GF teams most players have been home-grown with a bit of selective recruiting. Those recruits were not big name AFL players but generally unknown players who wanted to play footy and have stayed (and performed).

The big recruiters this year - North and Port haven't yet made it to the GF and could once again be spectators come October.

I'll start the ball rolling with the Gowans twins....


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Postby drebin » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:20 pm

Hopwood, Scoullar, Arnott another 3 - yep all those household home grown Elizabeth and Districts boys!
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Postby smac » Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:07 pm

So that's 7 recruits... Go to the dogs website and look at the 40 premiership players - you will find that d4e's statement was pretty accurate.
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Postby Aerie » Tue Jul 25, 2006 9:43 pm

smac wrote:So that's 7 recruits... Go to the dogs website and look at the 40 premiership players - you will find that d4e's statement was pretty accurate.


Bello, C Gowans, J Gowans, Hopwood, Arnott, Hay, Scoullar, Cowan, Guerra, Ford, M Stevens, D Stevens, Hulm and Moller are all interstate recruits who have won a premiership with Central.

4 of 7 players who have won all 5 premiership medallions are from interstate.
3 of 4 players who have won 4 premiership medallions are from interstate.

Not that it matters, but I'd say recruiting has had a fair bit to do with Central's success.
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Postby drebin » Tue Jul 25, 2006 11:42 pm

Aerie wrote:
smac wrote:So that's 7 recruits... Go to the dogs website and look at the 40 premiership players - you will find that d4e's statement was pretty accurate.


Bello, C Gowans, J Gowans, Hopwood, Arnott, Hay, Scoullar, Cowan, Guerra, Ford, M Stevens, D Stevens, Hulm and Moller are all interstate recruits who have won a premiership with Central.

4 of 7 players who have won all 5 premiership medallions are from interstate.
3 of 4 players who have won 4 premiership medallions are from interstate.

Not that it matters, but I'd say recruiting has had a fair bit to do with Central's success.


Good to see some other teams getting "slayed" for their recruiting success!!!

I think doggies4 ever will be having a re-think now or buying a broom to fix his sweeping statement! :lol:
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Postby smac » Wed Jul 26, 2006 9:36 am

I still disagree drebin/Aerie... You have named 14 players from 40 who have won premierships. That averages to approximately 7 in any one team. Using some mathematics that I learnt in school that leaves 13 on average that were local. Sounds pretty good to me.
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Postby - » Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:00 am

smac wrote:I still disagree drebin/Aerie... You have named 14 players from 40 who have won premierships. That averages to approximately 7 in any one team. Using some mathematics that I learnt in school that leaves 13 on average that were local. Sounds pretty good to me.


Recruiting is not a shameful sin to hide behind. It is what has to be done to be successful in this competition.

You must admit that even though less than half of the 40 are recruits from interstate, those that are were fairly important players.
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Postby smac » Wed Jul 26, 2006 11:13 am

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smac wrote:I still disagree drebin/Aerie... You have named 14 players from 40 who have won premierships. That averages to approximately 7 in any one team. Using some mathematics that I learnt in school that leaves 13 on average that were local. Sounds pretty good to me.


Recruiting is not a shameful sin to hide behind. It is what has to be done to be successful in this competition.

You must admit that even though less than half of the 40 are recruits from interstate, those that are were fairly important players.

Not ashamed at all dasher, I agree entirely that it is needed to be successful - no one would imply that players such as Gowans x 2, Bello, Hopwood, Hay et al were anything short of vital to the success of the last 6 years. What I am responding to are those who imply recruits make up most of the team when that is simply not true.

If the juniors were not developed properly for league football then the side would have been no good, even with those recruits playing - players like Thomas, Schell, Currie and many others are now being followed by Westhoff x 2, Wilson, Dutschke and Norsworthy to name only a few (I think somewhere around 10-11 debuts this year alone).
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Postby RoosterMarty » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:06 pm

If you didnt have your star interstate recruits, would you have won all of those flags Centrals??
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Postby Aerie » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:13 pm

smac wrote:I still disagree drebin/Aerie... You have named 14 players from 40 who have won premierships. That averages to approximately 7 in any one team. Using some mathematics that I learnt in school that leaves 13 on average that were local. Sounds pretty good to me.


45 out of 105 medals have gone to the interstate players. That's an average of about 9 per team. When you consider 7 interstates compared to 4 locals have played in at least 4 of the 5 premierships that says something.

Definitely not having a go. If the Eagles were to win the premiership the ratio wouldn't be too different.

PS. You should just use normal mathematics, not the mathematics you learnt in school as if there were to be an average of 7 interstate recruits, that would leave 14 locals on average in each team to make up 21 players.
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Postby smac » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:23 pm

Aerie wrote:
smac wrote:I still disagree drebin/Aerie... You have named 14 players from 40 who have won premierships. That averages to approximately 7 in any one team. Using some mathematics that I learnt in school that leaves 13 on average that were local. Sounds pretty good to me.


45 out of 105 medals have gone to the interstate players. That's an average of about 9 per team. When you consider 7 interstates compared to 4 locals have played in at least 4 of the 5 premierships that says something.

Definitely not having a go. If the Eagles were to win the premiership the ratio wouldn't be too different.

PS. You should just use normal mathematics, not the mathematics you learnt in school as if there were to be an average of 7 interstate recruits, that would leave 14 locals on average in each team to make up 21 players.

Rounding to 20 was far easier when dealing with 40 players Aerie. But still, we are looking at 9 vs. 12 on average. How many teams in the top 5 have 12 or more locals this season? Would love to do the research but can't be fugged. I think they want me to start working in this place or something... :lol: I guess having an involvement in the junior program at CDFC I am more maware of what work is put in by many good people and I don't want that diminished by a (mistaken) belief that local players make up less than half of the team. There has always been an emphasis on local development and always will be.

Also, don't quite follow your point re: 7 i/s to 4 locals. Is that for a soccer team?
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Postby Punk Rooster » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:45 pm

Those 7 recruits would've been the first 7 selected each week...
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Postby smac » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:56 pm

Punk Rooster wrote:Those 7 recruits would've been the first 7 selected each week...


No, I think (multiple) Ken Farmer Medallist, Schell and Magarey Medallist, Thomas may have been a little higher than 8th and 9th on the list. :D
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Postby Punk Rooster » Wed Jul 26, 2006 12:59 pm

smac wrote:
Punk Rooster wrote:Those 7 recruits would've been the first 7 selected each week...


No, I think (multiple) Ken Farmer Medallist, Schell and Magarey Medallist, Thomas may have been a little higher than 8th and 9th on the list. :D
Very ammusing- my point is, is that these recruits weren't kicking the dew of the grass in the 2's...
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