THE SANFL/ AFL PLAYERS ROULETTE WHEEL.....a joke....

[Ecky]

MACCA

YOU LISTED PLAYERS THAT WERE RECRUITS from interstate but some of those players were in fact picked up from our country zone down in the south east which again is promoting youth.

Sorry MT79, Macca is correct - all of the players he listed are recruits and not from the South-East. Perhaps surprisingly, I am agreeing with the North Adelaide side of this story - they must be doing something right with their juniors to win the U17, U19 and Reserves premierships last year!

[Ecky]

Glenelg have educated some juniors greatly as well, this will be in
evidence at this years draft.

I can think of two players at Glenelg who will get drafted this year. At North, there are three certainties, maybe four or five. Strange how the Bays are the only SANFL club developing young players according to you Mal.

I would be surprised if Glenelg don't have at least 4 or 5 players drafted. On top of Gibbs and Sellar, Austin, Lally, Holmes, Graham, L Button, Day and O'Grady are all very good chances to get picked up.

[locky801]

PUNK ROOSTER

You listed a group of kids that have been blooded this year.
Give me a break, most of them got a game because your
boys had half a team out injured.

Your club was an embarrasment a short while ago.
Your club turned your finances around.
Your club BOUGHT a team.
Your club has a coach who is respected[unlike the duds before him]
Your club is now successful.
Your club is not top through junior development.

You are a North barracker and must defend your team.
I am a Norwood barracker who is applying logic, you are not.

I am merley pointing out that Glenelg got screwed in round 23, and
would be better off using the North Melbourne system in buying a flag.

PUNKY where was North ADELAIDE 4 years ago when they were broke
and had to rely on local talent
The answer is obvious.

Going through the same cycle that every club goes through, very shortly a side like Centrals will head down, the Eagles and so on, every club is the same, they blood juniors, they head interstate to buy recruits when the money is there, and why not, we brag that the SANFL is the 2nd best comp in Australia and it will only stay that way whilst sides are prepared to blood kids and yes buy interstate players. You will just have to look at next years draft picks when they come up to see this, at least 6 i know of from North will be gone, no doubt most clubs will lose 4 or 5.

Name me a side in the SANFL at the minute that has not got at least 5 or more interstate players, that have been, yes bought.
Get with the real times, good on North for doing what they have done, in fact I think they are just following the leads of a couple of other successful SANFL clubs who when struggling bit the bullet, sacked their useless coaches and rebuilt the foundations

[mighty_tiger_79]

its a pity that L Buttons brother doesnt work hard because he should be playing league.

[Peter Falconia]

PUNK ROOSTER

You listed a group of kids that have been blooded this year.
Give me a break, most of them got a game because your
boys had half a team out injured.

Your club was an embarrasment a short while ago.
Your club turned your finances around.
Your club BOUGHT a team.
Your club has a coach who is respected[unlike the duds before him]
Your club is now successful.
Your club is not top through junior development.

You are a North barracker and must defend your team.
I am a Norwood barracker who is applying logic, you are not.

I am merley pointing out that Glenelg got screwed in round 23, and
would be better off using the North Melbourne system in buying a flag.

PUNKY where was North ADELAIDE 4 years ago when they were broke
and had to rely on local talent
The answer is obvious.

I wonder if there is anyone down the Parade that can turn your hospital case of a club around. Obviously the reason you are so bitter is the fact that Norwood couldn't recruit someone from a Div 11 side. Get over it mate, you have a few more years down the bottom half of the table yet. And haven't we seen some wonderful juniors coming out of Norwood in recent years.

p.s. Once again, thanks for flying Ryswyk down.

[Punk Rooster]

PUNK ROOSTER

You listed a group of kids that have been blooded this year.
Give me a break, most of them got a game because your
boys had half a team out injured.

Wrong. Shane Edwards, Andrew McIntyre (esp Andrew) have been picked in the starting 18.
Andrew has not only held down a key position, but done it like a seasoned veteran.
Shane Edwards got a big wrap from Barrie Robran on his effort fri (& in general as a footballer), enough said there.
We will lose both of these players to the draft- are you happy now?
Todd Pfeiffer got injured, & that is the reason he ahsn't been playing league.

Your club was an embarrasment a short while ago.
Your club turned your finances around.
Your club BOUGHT a team.
Your club has a coach who is respected[unlike the duds before him]
Your club is now successful.
Your club is not top through junior development.

Are we meant to continue on a downward spiral to make you happy?
Why do clubs have recruiting officers? Players don;t grow on trees, or walk into the club & ask for a game.
This isn't the 70's anymore Mal, we are a feeder competition to the AFL (unfortunately), & as quick as we can develop players, they are taken from us.

Currently Playing In AFL
Ben Hart- 1990 Pre Draft Selection Adelaide 301 games*
Ben Holland- 1994 ND Fitzroy 0, 1995 Traded to Richmond ?, 2005 Traded to Melbourne ?
Josh Francou- 1996 PDS Port Power ?
Shannon Motlop- 1998 ND ?, North Melbourne ?, 2005 PSD# Melbourne
Daniel Motlop- 2000 ND North Melbourne ?, 2005 ND Traded to Port Power ?
Trent Sporn- 2000 NDCarlton
Mark Jamar- 2002 EFRL Melbourne ?
Jarrad Rivers- 2002 ND Melbourne ?
Matt Davis- 2003 ND Sydney ?
Toby Stribling- 2004 ND Fremantle ?, 2005 Rookie Draft Fremantle
Jason Roe- 2005 RD Brisbane
Luke McEntee- 2005 RD Hawthorn

No Longer Playing In AFL
Doug Smart- 1986 ND Carlton 0, 1989 PDS Brisbane Bears 0
Stephen Riley- 1986 ND Essendon 0
David Robertson- 1986 ND Collingwood 17, 1990 MSD Essendon 3
Matthew Campbell- 1986 PDS Brisbane Bears 79
Darren Jarman- 1986 ND Melbourne 0, 1989 PDS Brisbane Bears 0, Hawthorn ?, 19xx Traded to Adelaide
Andrew Jarman- 1987 ND & 1989 PDS Brisbane Bears 0, 1990 PDS Adelaide
Michael Parsons- 1987 ND Sydney 25
Peter Bennett- 1987 ND Essendon 0, 1990 PDS Adelaide ?, 1991 MSD Brisbane Bears 0
Stephen Hamilton- 1988 ND North Melbourne 6
David Kupsch- 1988 ND Brisbane Bears 0, 1990 PSD Collingwood 0
Troy Lehmann- 1989 ND Collingwood 31, 1993 ND Traded to Brisbane Bears 13
Shayne Bennett- 1989 ND Collingwood 0,
Darel Hart- 1989 ND St Kilda 0, 1990 PDS Adelaide ?
Sean Wellman- 1990 PDS Adelaide ?, Traded to Essendon
Peter Turner- 1990 PDS Adelaide ?, 1994 ND Traded to Carlton 2
Rod Saunders- 1991 MSD Essendon 0
Nick Holland- 1992 ND Hawthorn
Danny Morton- 1992 ND Fitzroy 30, Port Power ?
Brodie Atkinson- 1992 ND St Kilda 2
Tim Perkins- 1992 MSD North Melbourne 0, 1993 MSD Adelaide 0
Josh Mail- 1993 PSD Adelaide 4
Shane Hodges- 1993 ND Brisbane Bears 4
Cameron Bennett- 1993 ND Brisbane Bears 0
Scott Bamford- 1995 ND Fitzroy 22, Merger Selection Brisbane ?, Geelong
Cameron Roberts- 1996 ND Traded to Geelong (Pick 37 to Port Power)
Damian Squire- 1997 Zone Selection Port Power
Chris Ladhams- Essendon ?, Adelaide
Lucas Herbert- 1998 ND Adelaide ?
Darryl Wintle- 1999 PSD Adelaide ?
Brett White- ? Sydney ?

Prior To Draft
Wayne Carey- North Melbourne (through the U19's) ?, 2004 Traded to Adelaide ?
Anthony Antrobus- Signed Before Draft Essendon (1987-90) ?, 1991 Pre Season Draft St Kilda 6
Brenton Phillips- Signed before Draft Essendon (1986) ?, Traded to Brisbane (?) (1987-1992?) ?
Bohdan Jaworskyj- Hawthorn
Bill Lokan- Fitzroy
John Riley- Footscray (1984) 1
Dennis/Neal Sachse- Fitzroy
Greg McAdam- St Kilda,
Adrian McAdam- 1992 North Melbourne ?, 1995 Collingwood ?

So, how do we replace these players recruited from North, Mal? Sit around praying to the Easter Bunny to deliver some more junior champs? No, we supply the AFL System, we are entitled to grab what the System spits out!

You are a North barracker and must defend your team.
I am a Norwood barracker who is applying logic, you are not.

Specious reasoning- what a cheap way to defend your argument & quite frankly, you've lost the argument because you resorted this line of argument. You are not applying logic- you are having a snide crack at the runnings of the NAFC, who are currently successful. When your team gets it's house in order, then you could possibly be critical of another club.
I have offered you logical answers, you have only resorted to cheap shots & minor issues.

I am merley pointing out that Glenelg got screwed in round 23, and
would be better off using the North Melbourne system in buying a flag.

Again, your snide North Melbourne remark shows an inferiority complex, & an attempted putdown of the NAFC for being pro-active.

PUNKY where was North ADELAIDE 4 years ago when they were broke
and had to rely on local talent
The answer is obvious.

There were problems on & off the field. As your club, Norwood, should realise, you need to get off-field matters sorted, then the on-field will take care of itself, or you can resurect the on field (in North's case, by acquiring the right coach for our club- Luke Ivens is one of many to bloom under his tutelage)
Since then, we have developed the previously mentioned players, add in Tim Delvins, plus a number of North juniors who will go in the draft before we can gain any benefit from them (Zac Millar is likely).
I guess it's a pity North's juniors didn't have the hype of Gibbs, then you would be having a crack at Glenelg (who rely heavily on their AFL contigent, hence your getting on your soap box to begin with)

[BPBRB]

Mal if I were Norwood I would watch out that North doesn't buy your whole club in a fire sale the way you are going. Then they can consign you to the museum and eliminate the bye.

[topsywaldron]

And haven't we seen some wonderful juniors coming out of Norwood in recent years.

Had quite a few drafted, seven or eight, I reckon last year. Don't know whether that counts as junior development in your book though.

[once_were_warriors]

Ring Ring and thats it for round 1

Score card from the judges

punk rooster 10
Mal 8

Punches Thrown Punk rooster 1500 , landed 1499
Mal 5 landed 1

However a nice headbut thrown by mal that went unnoticed by the Ref

[Macca19]

Having said that, how many AFL players and specifically who will Port have available this week

Scott Stevens is the only player qualified for finals.

Brett Ebert played 3 games ?????
Iven Maric playing

Kingsley/Wanganeen/Surjan, would have but wont.

and off the subject, Mark Bullen if he catches a flight over !

Ebert only played 1.

Maric I completely overlooked and forgot about.

[Punk Rooster]

Mal seems to have gone missing, around about the same time he lost the argument....

[eaglehaslanded]

BRETT BURTON
Does the wheel of fortune allow him to play in the sanfl league or reseves?

The rule as it stands is states that whilst Adelaide based AFL sides are still competing in the finals series the qualification rule of 3 games goes out the window so that means any player not chosen for Adelaide in the preliminary final is therefore elegible for the SANFL they have been aligned to. Thus means if Brett Burton, Ken McGregor or Ben Hart for that matter were not selcted by the Crows they would all be elegible to play for WWT & NA respectively.

[topsywaldron]

if I were Norwood I would watch out that North doesn't buy your whole club in a fire sale the way you are going. Then they can consign you to the museum and eliminate the bye.

I thought the deal was that all SANFL clubs stood together and helped one another out in times of crisis?

I know when North were at their lowest ebb they had Norwood supporters buying memberships and going on marches down Prospect Road. Maybe we can put you down for a season ticket BPBRB given that Norwood aren't travelling too well financially?

[BPBRB]

if I were Norwood I would watch out that North doesn't buy your whole club in a fire sale the way you are going. Then they can consign you to the museum and eliminate the bye.

I thought the deal was that all SANFL clubs stood together and helped one another out in times of crisis?

I know when North were at their lowest ebb they had Norwood supporters buying memberships and going on marches down Prospect Road. Maybe we can put you down for a season ticket BPBRB given that Norwood aren't travelling too well financially?

How many Norwood people bought North memberships and how many would actually admit it in any case? Memberships are not going to save a club in financial strife in any case so don't try that old tug on the heart strings crap with me.

By the way I have helped Norwood out financially this year - I paid enough in over priced food and drink this year at the Nwd/North game at the Parade so I consider that a good deed. Next year I will being my own grog in and give my money to a more worthy charity like land rights for gay black whales maybe? Anyhow topsy the original post was a crack at Mal who was being all high and mighty.

[mal]

PUNK ROOSTER

You listed a group of kids that have been blooded this year.
Give me a break, most of them got a game because your
boys had half a team out injured.

Your club was an embarrasment a short while ago.
Your club turned your finances around.
Your club BOUGHT a team.
Your club has a coach who is respected[unlike the duds before him]
Your club is now successful.
Your club is not top through junior development.

You are a North barracker and must defend your team.
I am a Norwood barracker who is applying logic, you are not.

I am merley pointing out that Glenelg got screwed in round 23, and
would be better off using the North Melbourne system in buying a flag.

PUNKY where was North ADELAIDE 4 years ago when they were broke
and had to rely on local talent
The answer is obvious.

I wonder if there is anyone down the Parade that can turn your hospital case of a club around. Obviously the reason you are so bitter is the fact that Norwood couldn't recruit someone from a Div 11 side. Get over it mate, you have a few more years down the bottom half of the table yet. And haven't we seen some wonderful juniors coming out of Norwood in recent years.

p.s. Once again, thanks for flying Ryswyk down.

PS thanks for your coach, who won a medal for Norwood
PS thanks for the sons of your greatest ever player[both played AFL]
PS what the hell has Norwood got to do with the post?

[mal]

PUNKY I will retype one more time my North Melbourne case.
I simply want you to answer yes or no to the following statements.

YOUR CLUB WAS AN EMBARRASMENT A SHORT WHILE AGO
YOR CLUB TURNED THIER FINANCES AROUND
YOUR CLUB BOUGHT A TEAM
YOUR CLUB HAS A COACH WHO IS RESPECTED[unlike the duds before him]
YOUR CLUB IS NOW SUCCESSFUL
YOUR CLUB IS NOT TOP THROUGH JUNIOR DEVELOPMENT

Simply answer the specified statements as presented.
I dont want to get into a discussion about the Norwood Football club, which
is totally inpertinent to my statements.
If you would like a debate on Norwood v North make it another post.
If you would like a debate on North supplying talent to the AFL and are
entitled to get some AFL recruits to cover them ***** I AGREE*****
If you think calling North Adelaide North Melbourne is a cheap shot ****I AGREE ***

Now one more time answer the above 6 statements YES or NO.
Everytime your answer YES we agree.

PETER F you can answer the above 6 as well.

[Peter Falconia]

PS thanks for your coach, who won a medal for Norwood
PS thanks for the sons of your greatest ever player[both played AFL]
PS what the hell has Norwood got to do with the post?

PS North still won a premiership without Jars.
PS Can't blame them for going to Norwood. They would of been crushed by expectation from the rest of the football public if they went to North.
PS Everything. If Norwood could recruit more than one player a year, you wouldn't be so bitter.

[Peter Falconia]

YOUR CLUB WAS AN EMBARRASMENT A SHORT WHILE AGO - Bit harsh. In that period, North only collected one wooden spoon. Amazing when you think about it.

YOR CLUB TURNED THIER FINANCES AROUND - Yes......and.....

YOUR CLUB BOUGHT A TEAM - North have worked within the salary cap. We have spent wisely. No one at North is on $60k a year. I think you would be surprised at what some high quality recruits are on.

YOUR CLUB HAS A COACH WHO IS RESPECTED[unlike the duds before him] - Not just the coach. A few behind the scenes as well i.e. Glenn Elliot, James Moore

YOUR CLUB IS NOW SUCCESSFUL - Not yet we are not. In football, success is only measured by premierships. Centrals are a successful football club.

YOUR CLUB IS NOT TOP THROUGH JUNIOR DEVELOPMENT - No team is these days. As soon as a junior player shows that he can play against men, he is gone into the AFL system. North will loose 3, maybe 5 junior players in the draft later this year. Luckily, we do work heavily on junior development, as proven by winning all junior grades last year, and will have some more young kids coming through.

[mal]

PF Very good answers,thank for completing the survey.
You kind have said yes to some answers, no to others.
Defining success, embarrasment is open to conjecture.

I take the piss outa North Adelmelbourne, but I am not
condoning what they have done, your club has turned
around its mediocrity of a few years back and become
a force[a better word than success ]

I admire far more than envy the club.

[mal]

Ring Ring and thats it for round 1

Score card from the judges

punk rooster 10
Mal 8

Punches Thrown Punk rooster 1500 , landed 1499
Mal 5 landed 1

However a nice headbut thrown by mal that went unnoticed by the Ref

PUNCH DRUNK ROOSTER