Oval naming rights, what do you think?

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Postby Rushby Hinds » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:11 pm

PortAdelaideProud wrote:
CENTURION wrote:How the tide has turned? Isn't it great that Poort are now jealous of Us?


Us, jealous of Centrals? Are you kidding me? We are not jealous of anyone. You may be the dominant team this decade, but we still kick your ass in the premiership tally, 36-4 remember.

Like some one said, doesn't matter how many Grand Finals you win, you haven't won a premiership until you beat Port in the GF.

Guess what, you haven't beaten us in a GF.

Port supporters are not jealous of anyone.



Cool.

Port Adelaide premierships = Nil then.

Glenelg = 1.

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Postby magpie in the 80's » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:59 pm

im o.k with naming rights for ovals but us old guys will remember them by their original names :D

unlike one poster who names his park something different every week e.g.:

angle park
angle dark
angle bark
angel park
dangle park
jingle jangle park
mangle park
MAlnagle park
MALangle park
tattersall park
wangle park
wrecktangle park

who's sponsering this park :roll: :wink: :lol:
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Postby Squawk » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:54 pm

1. I reckon Alberton has done alright - they got a seven figure sum from Allan Scott to build the training facility there. Interesting that his next big cheque then went to Morphettville Racecourse - wonder if he considered naming rights to Alberton Oval or knocked them back?

2. The NAFC article implies a strong affinity between "Prospect" and NA or the Roosters. There is no such connection because the team isn't called the Prospect Penguins. Same at the Bay, Parade, Richmond etc.

3. A lot of references earlier speak of getting "extra" cash. I wouldn't call $300k a year as was reportedly paid by Challenge "extra" cash. It is BIG money for jam and even if a SANFL club is making a profit of $1m+ a year, what business would knock back a 30% increase in revenue?

4. If there is one SANFL team in the comp that is all but privately owned, it is the Roosters. Having said that, Gerard has also pumped a lot of money into Prince Alfred College (as has the Cooper family) but the school is still the school and is not handcuffed by Mistral/Clipsal or Coopers by the contributions. It seems very odd that North dont want to get another $300k unless Gerard is already tipping in much more than that ON TOP of his sponsorship.

5. Does Gerard tip in the same sort of dough at the Crows?

6. On face value, Central has achieved a lot more with Grand Central and NAP oval being self-developed initiatives and ones that made them front runners in the league.

7. I can tolerate stadium naming rights but I HATE things like the Sheffield Shield being retired and the "Pura Milk Cup" being introduced.
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Postby Wedgie » Thu Dec 07, 2006 6:57 pm

Mate, North are looking for ways to get rid of money (and doing a good job of it by all reports behind the scenes) not get more of it.
Don't want the tax man claiming we're not a sporting organisation and are a business.
Let's just say if they were out to show the biggest profit they could in recent years it would make a lot of AFL clubs envious.
Christ, how things have changed.
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Postby Squawk » Thu Dec 07, 2006 7:43 pm

Wedgie wrote:Mate, North are looking for ways to get rid of money (and doing a good job of it by all reports behind the scenes) not get more of it.


How about making a donation to 63 Beulah Road - its a great organisation that brings joy to the hearts of a lot of people. :)
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Postby spell_check » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:14 pm

Wedgie wrote:Mate, North are looking for ways to get rid of money (and doing a good job of it by all reports behind the scenes) not get more of it.
Don't want the tax man claiming we're not a sporting organisation and are a business.
Let's just say if they were out to show the biggest profit they could in recent years it would make a lot of AFL clubs envious.
Christ, how things have changed.


Send it the Mini Leagues way. :)
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Postby PortAdelaideProud » Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:16 pm

Borat wrote:
PortAdelaideProud wrote:
CENTURION wrote:How the tide has turned? Isn't it great that Poort are now jealous of Us?


Us, jealous of Centrals? Are you kidding me? We are not jealous of anyone. You may be the dominant team this decade, but we still kick your ass in the premiership tally, 36-4 remember.

Like some one said, doesn't matter how many Grand Finals you win, you haven't won a premiership until you beat Port in the GF.

Guess what, you haven't beaten us in a GF.

Port supporters are not jealous of anyone.



Cool.

Port Adelaide premierships = Nil then.

Glenelg = 1.

Suffer in your jocks.


So um, we're supposed to beat ourselves in a Grand Final? You've beaten us once, how many times have we kicked the crap outta Glenelg?
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Postby BPBRB » Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:32 pm

Squawk wrote:1. I reckon Alberton has done alright - they got a seven figure sum from Allan Scott to build the training facility there. Interesting that his next big cheque then went to Morphettville Racecourse - wonder if he considered naming rights to Alberton Oval or knocked them back?

2. The NAFC article implies a strong affinity between "Prospect" and NA or the Roosters. There is no such connection because the team isn't called the Prospect Penguins. Same at the Bay, Parade, Richmond etc.

3. A lot of references earlier speak of getting "extra" cash. I wouldn't call $300k a year as was reportedly paid by Challenge "extra" cash. It is BIG money for jam and even if a SANFL club is making a profit of $1m+ a year, what business would knock back a 30% increase in revenue?

4. If there is one SANFL team in the comp that is all but privately owned, it is the Roosters. Having said that, Gerard has also pumped a lot of money into Prince Alfred College (as has the Cooper family) but the school is still the school and is not handcuffed by Mistral/Clipsal or Coopers by the contributions. It seems very odd that North dont want to get another $300k unless Gerard is already tipping in much more than that ON TOP of his sponsorship.

5. Does Gerard tip in the same sort of dough at the Crows?

6. On face value, Central has achieved a lot more with Grand Central and NAP oval being self-developed initiatives and ones that made them front runners in the league.

7. I can tolerate stadium naming rights but I HATE things like the Sheffield Shield being retired and the "Pura Milk Cup" being introduced.


$300K for namings right to the Bay per year. You are joking and who told you those figures and can you back them up? Clubs major sponsors don't even pay anywhere near that per year.

Re your crack about North being privately owned almost by Gerard - What a load of shit!!! Do some proper research before you (and others) post rubbish like this. Do yourself a favour and get a copy of our financial statement when it comes out in Feb 2007. That will clearly show who owns North and the lenders (eg the banks) currently have a good hold on the club despite our huge income we still have to pay on the borrowings.
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Postby Ian » Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:48 pm

Alberton has a special place in the heart of North fans, they haven't lost there for a few years, and the outer looks great plastered in Red & White.

2004
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2005
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my daughter as mascot in 2005
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2006
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Alberton has certaily given a lot of us some great memories :D
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Postby Squawk » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:14 pm

BPBRB wrote:$300K for namings right to the Bay per year. You are joking and who told you those figures and can you back them up? Clubs major sponsors don't even pay anywhere near that per year.

Re your crack about North being privately owned almost by Gerard - What a load of shit!!! Do some proper research before you (and others) post rubbish like this. Do yourself a favour and get a copy of our financial statement when it comes out in Feb 2007. That will clearly show who owns North and the lenders (eg the banks) currently have a good hold on the club despite our huge income we still have to pay on the borrowings.


1. $300k was certainly the figure being bandied around prior to the announcement. From memory only, I have a feeling that this may have been a figure reported in the Messenger as well as mentioned somewhere on this forum...Even if it was $300k for 3 years it is still money for jam.

2. Of course North is not privately owned. Literally that is. However, I'm sure I know who has a fair bit of say about what happens, what decisions are made and what the future direction of the club is. He is astute and one of this city's (and this country's) most astute - astute enough to be a former member of the Reserve Bank Board. Astute enough to pack his son Simon off to India nearly 10 years ago to set Clipsal up in that market :idea: and astute enough to get in to China when he did about 6 years ago :idea: . Astute enough to sell Clipsal when he did :idea: . I would be very surprised tho if his cheques didn't come with a few caveats tho. This is not any sort of attack on Gerard or the Roosters - but quite frankly without the support of Clipsal, Gerard industries, Mistral and the Gerard family, could North have achieved the off-field success that they have? After all, it wasn't that long ago that the club had about 1400 members, and had to get a law changed by Minister Lomax-Smith to enable it to survive.

3. Why fly off the handle? You should be thanking Gerard for everything he has given you. Yet you guys always seem to say you could be in the same place you are today (and well done) without him around - but I beg to differ there.

4. My family's business sponsors North (7 yrs running now) and do I like it? Not one bit. :oops: Does it make business sense? So I'm told :? . Should they be thanked? I couldn't care less but I certainly don't encourage it. :evil: Should Gerard be thanked? Yes, because he is "Mr Kerching" and The Godfather . Do I like Gerard? Yes. Do I like his kids? Yes. Do I like it when North supporters come running in like a king tide time with a storm surge? Yes! :lol: :lol: :lol: It's just like the English saying they didnt want to pick Panesar and look what happened? If the Roosters decided not to select Gerard, I wonder what would happen..... :?:
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Postby Wedgie » Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:10 am

I actually took Squawks post to mean North were the least "Privately Owned Club" as that would be closer to the mark.
Mr Gerard is the major sponsor and has given guidance to the club in the past, nothing more, nothing less.
In fact you'd be suprised how major sponsors at other clubs try to have a lot more say in the running of their clubs.
Saying North couldn't achieve success without their major sponsor is like saying Norwood couldn't exist without Coopers or Central couldn't exist without Holden, etc.
Derr, actually once again, if anything North could survive without their major sponsorship a lot easier than most clubs could do without there's.
Robert Gerard has too much integrity to tell the club how to run itself and wouldn't dare so (nor would the club and the people on the board and in admin let him), perhaps if you did a bit more research into the people involved in the club you'd understand that. They would and I do take offence at your poor uneducated assumptions on the matter. In fact I wish he did step in and take over the club in the 90s when some very poor decision were being made especially from someone I had not time for around the merger talk time.
To tell the truth, Ive been horrified by stories Ive heard from players, coaching staff and admin of at least 5 clubs in the SANFL about influences sponsors try to have at their club in various matters and North isn't one of them.

The increase of membership has nothing to do with Mr Gerard, it had everything to do with Barrie Robran taking on the marketing role at the club which is when we had our biggest surge. There was another surge when Jars joined the club (before the winning started).
And yes the club did have to get a law changed, Bohdan Jaworski and Glenn Elliott were the one's lobbying the pollies but having Jane Lomax-Smith, Mr Rau and Rob Kerin on our side helped.

"North supporters come running in like a king tide with a storm surge."
Excellent analogy, I was thinking that myself watching 2000 of them march passionately down Main North Road a few years back in what the club describes as the turning point of the club. Ironically that day when I made a speech at the Rooster Rally I was amazed to see off to my right Mr Gerard listening intently. He just rocked up as a supporter and stood in the crowd. I also thought something similar to the king tide or storm surge when so many rocked up in the mid 90s to another "rally" I helped organise, the Roosters Against Merger. Its a pity a few other clubs supporters dont have the same passion or get up and go, they might not have their club in a position where it is today.

Your last 2 sentences are ridiculously contradictory. You say "what if" and then proceed to ask a "what if" yourself.

I expected a lot more from you Squawk. If you want to find a privately owned club where the members dont have a say perhaps look at clubs that can have board members put their mates on the board without any input from members whilst deferring any sort of vote there may be. I wouldn't have an issue if anything you said was true (which it isnt), I just have an issue that its completely wrong. A lot of bad/wrong guesses there.

Back to the issue at hand......
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Postby TroyGFC » Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:29 am

Wedgie wrote
: "North supporters come running in like a king tide with a storm surge."
Excellent analogy, I was thinking that myself watching 2000 of them march passionately down Main North Road a few years back in what the club describes as the turning point of the club. Ironically that day when I made a speech at the Rooster Rally I was amazed to see off to my right Mr Gerard listening intently. He just rocked up as a supporter and stood in the crowd. I also thought something similar to the king tide or storm surge when so many rocked up in the mid 90s to another "rally" I helped organise, the Roosters Against Merger. Its a pity a few other clubs supporters dont have the same passion or get up and go, they might not have their club in a position where it is today.


What Wedgie involved in a rally march. :shock:
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Postby Pseudo » Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:51 am

PortAdelaideProud wrote:So um, we're supposed to beat ourselves in a Grand Final?


It's the only way your mob doesn't beat themselves... :lol:
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Postby Squawk » Fri Dec 08, 2006 1:45 pm

Wedgie wrote:To tell the truth, Ive been horrified by stories Ive heard from players, coaching staff and admin of at least 5 clubs in the SANFL about influences sponsors try to have at their club in various matters and North isn't one of them. Which clubs are they?

The increase of membership has nothing to do with Mr Gerard, it had everything to do with Barrie Robran taking on the marketing role at the club which is when we had our biggest surge. There was another surge when Jars joined the club (before the winning started). I wasn't suggesting that Gerard was responsible for this, I was congratulating North on the turnaround however it happened.

And yes the club did have to get a law changed, Bohdan Jaworski and Glenn Elliott were the one's lobbying the pollies but having Jane Lomax-Smith, Mr Rau and Rob Kerin on our side helped. The law wouldn't have changed without the pollies fulls stop. The timing was critical there because it was early in the term of the new govt when they were going through their 'appease everyone' phase - including paying to send a bunch of schoolkids from Brighton High to Singapore after their trip was delayed due to the SARS outbreak in Asia.
"North supporters come running in like a king tide with a storm surge."
Excellent analogy, I was thinking that myself watching 2000 of them march passionately down Main North Road a few years back in what the club describes as the turning point of the club. Ironically that day when I made a speech at the Rooster Rally I was amazed to see off to my right Mr Gerard listening intently. He just rocked up as a supporter and stood in the crowd. I also thought something similar to the king tide or storm surge when so many rocked up in the mid 90s to another "rally" I helped organise, the Roosters Against Merger. Its a pity a few other clubs supporters dont have the same passion or get up and go, they might not have their club in a position where it is today.

Your last 2 sentences are ridiculously contradictory. You say "what if" and then proceed to ask a "what if" yourself.

I expected a lot more from you Squawk. If you want to find a privately owned club where the members dont have a say perhaps look at clubs that can have board members put their mates on the board without any input from members whilst deferring any sort of vote there may be. Well I actually think it is important to have some external expertise on a Board - I wouldn't want to see a bunch of old players trying to run the commercial side of a footy club. My cousin, a licensee at a MAJOR Adelaide Pub with a very impressive resume to boot, assures me that experts in gaming need to run gaming operations in just the same way as you wouldn't ask a publican to run football operations at a club. If you own any shares you will also realise that publicly listed companies have a variety of expertise on their boards, not just industry experts. I wouldn't have an issue if anything you said was true (which it isnt), I just have an issue that its completely wrong. A lot of bad/wrong guesses there. I think you'll find there are a lot of facts in there that are true - North doing so well, Gerard and Cooper giving money to PAC, Simon Gerard going to India etc.
Back to the issue at hand......
Prospect Oval for ever and always the traditional names for me, good to see Footysa used the fixture I put together with the traditional names too, we must stand united! :)


Honestly, I just dont understand why North supporters are so precious about Rob Gerard? He is a great asset but you have an each way bet all the time - he is an indispensable asset in one breath but you can do without him in another breath? I always complement North on what they have achieved in the last 5 years but this is always overlooked and instead the focus goes on suggesting I'm uneducated. Maybe I should go back and finish school one day - at least I could then contribute to ratemyteacher.com .
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Postby JK » Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:01 pm

Squawk wrote:Astute enough to pack his son Simon off to India nearly 10 years ago to set Clipsal up in that market


Wonder if Simon is still a Norwood man??
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Postby topsywaldron » Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:05 pm

Squawk wrote:Gerard ... is astute enough to be a former member of the Reserve Bank Board.


And his huge donations to the Liberal Party through the years had nothing to do with that appointment did they? :D

Back on topic now, if clubs need money by selling the naming rights then go for it IMHO.
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Postby CENTURION » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:11 pm

I touched a nerve....don't be envious.....we were for a long time.....you'll get over it.....we can't beat Poort if they aren't good enough to make the Grand Final.......winning is good.....YOOO DOOOGGSS!
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Postby Wedgie » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:08 pm

Squawk wrote: Honestly, I just dont understand why North supporters are so precious about Rob Gerard? He is a great asset but you have an each way bet all the time - he is an indispensable asset in one breath but you can do without him in another breath? I always complement North on what they have achieved in the last 5 years but this is always overlooked and instead the focus goes on suggesting I'm uneducated. Maybe I should go back and finish school one day - at least I could then contribute to ratemyteacher.com .

See, that's where you're confused and I thought I made the point obvious enough (but obviously enough).
I have no issue if Rob Gerard did own the club (in fact I couldn't think of anyone better to), I just get annoyed about ignorance in regard to the facts. It doesn't matter if its about Rob Gerard, Cupido's paycheck at Westies, why Norwood can't recruit a player, why the earth revolves around the sun, I just get annoyed with people that sprout on who have no idea about the facts, plain and simple.
Noone suggests you're uneducated Squawk, just uneducated about the topic you're sprouting on about, and as I said, nothing shits me more when people make guess work and bad guess work at that especially when they should be looking at their own back yard when it comes to comminist like behaviour as to why they're in the shit in the first place.
Feel free to address the facts I made in reply to your comment as opposed to just generalising about how supporters react, as I said, I expected more from you.
(You quoted my entire last post but didn't feel the need to disagree with me or explain to me why I was wrong).
And why would you say that "all North supporters" have a certain opinion when only quoting myself?
I have issues with that too, I can only assume its trying to diflect the discussion on a different skew to put less emphasis on your own points?
Another poor comment that saddens me.

Im quite willing to address the facts and even further compare club to club if you wish to.
If you're just trolling then fair enough and I take it back, but I don't encourage trolling on this site.
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Postby Wedgie » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:41 pm

Ian wrote:Alberton has a special place in the heart of North fans, they haven't lost there for a few years, and the outer looks great plastered in Red & White.

2004
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2006
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Alberton has certaily given a lot of us some great memories :D


Serious question to all, especially Port supporters as Ive only been at Alberton for North, Norwood and Glenelg games, does any other club get close to turning the outer into a sea of their own colours like North do?

PS That's my son in the Geelong guenrsey, yeah I know, child abuse! :lol:
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Postby Dog_ger » Sat Dec 09, 2006 9:02 am

Who is not impressed by the sea of red.....? We do similar, Red, white and blue.......?

But I think the Sea of red stands out more.......

Well done Wedge.....

Keep those Pics coming......

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