Norwood and the Highlander

[Gravel]

If Norwood need support from the SANFL then I believe it should be provided.
They have been a significant club over the history of SA footy and have contributed to the competition through high crowd numbers and strong onfield performances. The SANFL are spending a lot of money on AAMI upgrades but surely the well being of Norwood is far more important than a new video screen or upgraded corporate boxes etc.

[BPBRB]

Wedgie - when other than home matches and club functions (which is what I wrote) can you get a beer at Prospect Oval? That is what I wrote in response to Borat's question so I am confused to your response that I was wrong on that count?

No need to be confused you just need to get along to finals training when we're making banners to realise that its not just home matches and club functions where they sell beer. I was also at a private function last year and they sell beer then too.

Banner making and finals training is a specifically put on "function" for use of a better word, Priate functions are not open to the public to just waltz in a buy a beer and seeing you are being "pedantic" (must be hanging out with those old lawn bowlers! ) I think Borats point was that there are no set regular Bar opening times where people can pop in and have a drink and that is fact.

[Wedgie]

Wedgie - when other than home matches and club functions (which is what I wrote) can you get a beer at Prospect Oval? That is what I wrote in response to Borat's question so I am confused to your response that I was wrong on that count?

No need to be confused you just need to get along to finals training when we're making banners to realise that its not just home matches and club functions where they sell beer. I was also at a private function last year and they sell beer then too.

Banner making and finals training is a specifically put on "function" for use of a better word, Priate functions are not open to the public to just waltz in a buy a beer and seeing you are being "pedantic" (must be hanging out with those old lawn bowlers! ) I think Borats point was that there are no set regular Bar opening times where people can pop in and have a drink and that is fact.

Nah Borat just asked if you cant buy a beer (nothing about a regular beer setup), you can definately buy a beer at a private function as I did so.
Even some non training nights when we were making banners I would have sold anyone a stubby for $2 hence being another time when you can buy a beer at the club.
(I cant believe you took me seriously and replied! )

Priate functions are not open to the public

You mispelt Pirate and and you're right as only rum is available on those days!
Be a few pirate functions this year with Ben Hart back, Argh mee harties!!

[BPBRB]

If Norwood need support from the SANFL then I believe it should be provided.
They have been a significant club over the history of SA footy and have contributed to the competition through high crowd numbers and strong onfield performances. The SANFL are spending a lot of money on AAMI upgrades but surely the well being of Norwood is far more important than a new video screen or upgraded corporate boxes etc.

Why just Norwood??? Port have been financially strapped twice in recent years and they were not helped out by the SANFL and they are the biggest and most successful club. North and Sturt follow as 3rd and 4th behind Norwood but were not offered any help from the SANFL with their financial difficulties in recent years. Did these two clubs (as well as Port obviously!) not contribute to the high crowd numbers, strong on field performances etc etc over the years. In fact if you look at the top 4 biggest crowds for SANFL GF's and you will not find Norwood featuring in any of them. What does that tell you?

All of the clubs over the years have contributed to the SANFL and for every winner there has to be a loser (of which Norwood is not imune from by the way!) but then maybe if Norwood are that special they can play themselves if they have been that more significant over the years than any other club excluding Port for that part of the arguement.

If one club gets help from the Governing body then all will be entitled to the same amount no matter what there current circumstances are. Norwood is no more special than any other of the 8 clubs. Do you think the SANFL want to open that "Pandora's box"? Also the League never stepped into to ensure the survival of either Woodville and West Torrens and both were basket cases in 1990 regardless of how the merge club has come out strongly but that is not due to the SANFL.

[Sojourner]

It seems that alot of resistance to the idea of the SANFL being a garantor of Norwoods future expansion seems to be that there is not a precedent for the SANFL stepping in and assisting or financially supporting an SANFL club in the past, with various examples being shown, South Adelaides problems in the 1980's could I suppose be another example.

Yet I dont think what the SANFL hasnt done in the past has to be the way they conduct the managment of the clubs in the future.

SANFL Clubs are facing the most strongest competition from other sports as well as the current focus on AFL footy by the media. I dont feel it is unreasonable for the SANFL to be able to change and refocus on the way that they run the local league.

The best thing that could happen for the SANFL is to have 10 cashed up clubs that are able to compete with AFL clubs to pay decent salaries to keep the standard of the competition high. If that means going garantor so that clubs can establish revenue streams so be it. It would be my suggestion that an SANFL club should own no less than three venues in their area to keep them viable.

It is worth looking at the NRL competition for the way forward. Penrith own 30+ venues and the leagues clubs are cashed up, yet it wasnt always that way. SANFL clubs are now in a position to take a similar move forward.

If the SANFL did truly want to take a postion where they would just step back and allow a club to fold, then I think that the relavance and futre of the SANFL administration needs to be looked at very carefully. Is that really what we want in the leadership of SANFL footy?

[fester69]

Big enough to know when I'M wrong, so apologies to all I thought you were talking about our 40 machines going in to the Community Club.
Maybe I have to read the posts with more scrutiny before jumping to the Club's defence, but why do that and spoil a good argument?

[Jar Man Out]

It seems that alot of resistance to the idea of the SANFL being a garantor of Norwoods future expansion seems to be that there is not a precedent for the SANFL stepping in and assisting or financially supporting an SANFL club in the past, with various examples being shown, South Adelaides problems in the 1980's could I suppose be another example.

Yet I dont think what the SANFL hasnt done in the past has to be the way they conduct the managment of the clubs in the future.

SANFL Clubs are facing the most strongest competition from other sports as well as the current focus on AFL footy by the media. I dont feel it is unreasonable for the SANFL to be able to change and refocus on the way that they run the local league.

The best thing that could happen for the SANFL is to have 10 cashed up clubs that are able to compete with AFL clubs to pay decent salaries to keep the standard of the competition high. If that means going garantor so that clubs can establish revenue streams so be it. It would be my suggestion that an SANFL club should own no less than three venues in their area to keep them viable.

It is worth looking at the NRL competition for the way forward. Penrith own 30+ venues and the leagues clubs are cashed up, yet it wasnt always that way. SANFL clubs are now in a position to take a similar move forward.

If the SANFL did truly want to take a postion where they would just step back and allow a club to fold, then I think that the relavance and futre of the SANFL administration needs to be looked at very carefully. Is that really what we want in the leadership of SANFL footy?

Technically being we are all one ninth owners of the crows/power franchise. Can we use this as collateral ????

If not can we sell the one ninth share if we dont want it anymore ????

[Barto]

If not can we sell the one ninth share if we dont want it anymore ????

Never sell a profit generating asset. So yeah, keep the Crows franchise and offload the Port one

[Jar Man Out]

If not can we sell the one ninth share if we dont want it anymore ????

Never sell a profit generating asset. So yeah, keep the Crows franchise and offload the Port one

believe they were both valued in an article last year at $30 mill each.

Nice little $3.3 mill for the club at the cost of a call to Alan Scott.

[am Bays]

My proposal would be for the SANFL to assist Norwood with a loan to purchase a hotel in their area as near as possible to the Highlander and compete directiy with them. The owners of either the Windsor or the Modbury Plaza might well sell up if made the right offer.

Hmm I'm sure the Norwood, the Robin Hood, The Alma, Maid and Magpie and the Orient/Osmond Htls would have no objections.....especially the last two who are currently undergoing redevelopments as we speak.....

[Sojourner]

That is the beauty of the plan, buying a hotel and its pokies and associated licences outright is a differnet thing to trying to put an additional venue in an existing area.

Norwood could get either the Windsor or Modbury Plaza and move straight in as any new owner would.

[ca]

As stated above by others Norwood don't need any financial assistance and they are not about to ask for any. I would also not expect the SANFL to come to the party as each club has to survive by themselves. End of story.

As stated in yesterday paper the club will be announcing the details of the gaming venue very soon.

[blues2002]

meanwhile the graffitti grows and the Norwood FC war chest dwindles....

SANFL needs to ensure the financial stability and growth of all 9 clubs.
Norwood (and Sturt) should pull their heads out of their ar*e and ask for help if/when their new ventures struggle to meet expectations.
300K+ losses on their balance sheets are not sustainable.
An SANFL with 7 teams is also not sustainable.

Kudos to North for getting their sh*t together recently - a great example of how a club can combine good management, financial assistance,
supporter help and sheer determination to turn a club around - quickly.

[Jimmy]

meanwhile the graffitti grows and the Norwood FC war chest dwindles....

SANFL needs to ensure the financial stability and growth of all 9 clubs.
Norwood (and Sturt) should pull their heads out of their ar*e and ask for help if/when their new ventures struggle to meet expectations.
300K+ losses on their balance sheets are not sustainable.
An SANFL with 7 teams is also not sustainable.

Kudos to North for getting their sh*t together recently - a great example of how a club can combine good management, financial assistance,
supporter help and sheer determination to turn a club around - quickly.

well said

[JK]

meanwhile the graffitti grows and the Norwood FC war chest dwindles....

SANFL needs to ensure the financial stability and growth of all 9 clubs.
Norwood (and Sturt) should pull their heads out of their ar*e and ask for help if/when their new ventures struggle to meet expectations.
300K+ losses on their balance sheets are not sustainable.
An SANFL with 7 teams is also not sustainable.

Kudos to North for getting their sh*t together recently - a great example of how a club can combine good management, financial assistance,
supporter help and sheer determination to turn a club around - quickly.

Ask for help in the form of advice etc perhaps but not financially ... I agree with the majority sentiment of the thread that each club needs to be able to stand on their own two feet!

[BPBRB]

meanwhile the graffitti grows and the Norwood FC war chest dwindles....

SANFL needs to ensure the financial stability and growth of all 9 clubs.
Norwood (and Sturt) should pull their heads out of their ar*e and ask for help if/when their new ventures struggle to meet expectations.
300K+ losses on their balance sheets are not sustainable.
An SANFL with 7 teams is also not sustainable.

Kudos to North for getting their sh*t together recently - a great example of how a club can combine good management, financial assistance,
supporter help and sheer determination to turn a club around - quickly.

Good post blues except we never got any financial assistance from anyone other than the bank yet some people keep insisting we did? We had a very supportive wealthy guarantor that's all. If you want clarification get hold of our club's yearly financial statements from 2002 and that will show you the borrowings and what is owed. Each club gets a copy of the other 8 clubs Annual Reports etc so it's not hard to obtain. They make interesting reading at times too!

[Rushby Hinds]

Moot point....


BUT,

If my memory serves me correctly, on the day of "The March", wasn't everyone who Marched offered free admission to the game courtesy of the SANFL?

[BPBRB]

Moot point....


BUT,

If my memory serves me correctly, on the day of "The March", wasn't everyone who Marched offered free admission to the game courtesy of the SANFL?

Good point and from memory correct - although a fair percentage of those who marched would have been season or home match ticket holders in any case.

[Wedgie]

I think an "official announcement" which will be good news isn't far down the track as by all reports quite a bit of work is being done on the site at the moment.
Good news for Norwood and good news for the SANFL.
Going to be a bloody strong comp and financially the strongest the comp has ever been if all clubs make between 100k and 1mill per year!
A-League clubs would kill to have that sort of finances!

[smac]

Yep, roof was gone the other day when I drove past, hopefully they put a new one on before it rains. Be interesting to see what the place looks like at the end - doesn't look much like a pizza hut anymore.