NORWOOD V CROWS

[Rik E Boy]

Jeez Mark, you've started poorly and gone downhill from there. However your outstanding knowledge of the inner workings of the Norwood football club are truly worthy of acknowledgement and a genuine source of inspiration and wonderment.

Firstly, I did not state that these trials with the Crows have stopped. What I was in fact asking you was how would this help Norwood if they were to stop playing this fixture. You have not provided me with this information.

Secondly, I asked you how by playing this trial this has affected the Redlegs' results and you mentioned that it was too early in the season to provide proper preparation. Perhaps the Redlegs would be better suited to running up Percy Currity's sandhills or splashing about at Glenelg. My comment about this was perhaps there are other factor$ that have led to Norwood's recent malaise and that this trial match has bugger all to do with our ladder position in this current decade.

Thirdly, to suggest that Norwood's focus is on anything other than winning the premiership and that the club does not care about its players is disingenious at best and downright arrogant at worst. Do you seriously believe that Centrals have been an invicible power for it's entire history? Every club has cycles of success and failure and this decade has been Norwood's worst for many years, while for Centrals this is a golden age...but guess what matey, we more than hold our own against your boys and in fact we defeated you last time out IIR. 10 years without nothing? You clowns had to wait longer that between finals victories let alone premierships and it took you two seasons to win a game, seven years to make your first final and 36 years for your first premiership. It's all cyclical and has bugger all to with what goes on in February. If it's too early in the preparation how is this seriously fatal to a side's chances to winning the premiership? I hope you wear steel cap boots when you are busy shooting yourself in the foot.

In my old age I'm more than prepared to give someone the benefit of the doubt and sometimes it is better to be thought of as a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt. You did just that with your misguided comment about the formation of the Adelaide Crows. The reason why they were formed is well documented and generally understood by the majority of perceptive football followers.

In closing, I'd like to say thanks for your kind wishes regarding our trial and I wish you all the best when yours comes up heh heh.

regards,

REB

[Jar Man Out]

you obviously havent been called unsouth australian for not supporting the franchise sydney dog. Cos if you dont support this 15 years old club then obviously you arent a true south aussie. the team for all south australians line is bollocks hello port adelaide.

plus if you dont support the crows and live in SA very easy to hate. You try being force fed something you dont like for 15 years and see if you dont form a grudge.

crows invented for one thing. keep port out of afl. guess what ???

Crap, Adelaide Football Club invented for one thing - to ensure the entire SA Footy community benefited (as much as possible - whenever there is change from the status quo there will be winners and losers) from the planned entry into the AFL not just 1/10th of it

My club (Glenelg) has lost with the formation of the Crows, like the other SANFL clubs, but the losses are far less than what it would have been if the original Port Adelaide bid got up...

Just imagination if the Port Adelaide Football club was controlling the income from an AFL franchise as a license holder compared to being a sub-license under the SANFL, how much of a distribution would the other SANFL clubs get.....

if SANFL were going to bring the whole SANFl community together by inventing the crows. why didnt we enter the crows in 1987 when the AFl wanted it. ??? hey .....

cos a study was done on the affect the crows would have on the future of the SANFl and guess what . The results were not good. it said it would make the SANFl irrlevant funnily enough.

nice way to contradict yourself. So Crows werent invented because port wanted to enter the AFL independently of the SANFl. Then you go on to ask imagine if port got in. ???

the crows wouldnt exist if port had allowed the SANFL to control the licence initially. Wont proof why didnt the SANFl stop port getting into the AFl in 97. hint : something to do with SANFl in control Port's licence.

[Jar Man Out]

Jeez Mark, you've started poorly and gone downhill from there. However your outstanding knowledge of the inner workings of the Norwood football club are truly worthy of acknowledgement and a genuine source of inspiration and wonderment.

Firstly, I did not state that these trials with the Crows have stopped. What I was in fact asking you was how would this help Norwood if they were to stop playing this fixture. You have not provided me with this information.

PREPARATION IDIOT. CONFIDENCE ASWELL. MAY HELP NOT STARTING THE YEAR BY NOT GETTING DEMOLISHED BY 100 POINTS PLUS.

Secondly, I asked you how by playing this trial this has affected the Redlegs' results and you mentioned that it was too early in the season to provide proper preparation. Perhaps the Redlegs would be better suited to running up Percy Currity's sandhills or splashing about at Glenelg. My comment about this was perhaps there are other factor$ that have led to Norwood's recent malaise and that this trial match has bugger all to do with our ladder position in this current decade.

I COULD ANSWER THIS MANY WAYS. WILL STICK WITH WHAT EVER BRINGS IN THE $$$ FOR THE LEGS AS YOU NEED IT. ANY OTHER CLUB SERIOUSLY TRIED TO TAKE THE FIXTURE AWAY FROM YOU ??? NO . I WONDER WHY .

Thirdly, to suggest that Norwood's focus is on anything other than winning the premiership and that the club does not care about its players is disingenious at best and downright arrogant at worst. Do you seriously believe that Centrals have been an invicible power for it's entire history? Every club has cycles of success and failure and this decade has been Norwood's worst for many years, while for Centrals this is a golden age...but guess what matey, we more than hold our own against your boys and in fact we defeated you last time out IIR. 10 years without nothing? You clowns had to wait longer that between finals victories let alone premierships and it took you two seasons to win a game, seven years to make your first final and 36 years for your first premiership. It's all cyclical and has bugger all to with what goes on in February. If it's too early in the preparation how is this seriously fatal to a side's chances to winning the premiership? I hope you wear steel cap boots when you are busy shooting yourself in the foot.

REB if you think the main goal of the Norwood foootball club this year is to win a flag. instead of setting up a club room trying to make a profit for the first time in how many years. Simply you are delluded and im not going to argue.

In my old age I'm more than prepared to give someone the benefit of the doubt and sometimes it is better to be thought of as a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt. You did just that with your misguided comment about the formation of the Adelaide Crows. The reason why they were formed is well documented and generally understood by the majority of perceptive football followers.

THOU ART A LIAR !!!


In closing, I'd like to say thanks for your kind wishes regarding our trial and I wish you all the best when yours comes up heh heh.

regards,

REB

[Wedgie]

Wedgie, if going to said game, take some photos for the people who can't or won't go.

Will do mate, still umming and ahhing, hard choice between a hot night at the footy possibly not on the turps or sipping a few coldies around a friend's pool.

[Wedgie]

The Adelaide squad is: Scott Thompson, Jonathon Griffin, Nathan van Berlo, Nathan Bassett, Tyson Edwards, Matthew Bode, Michael Doughty, Robert Shirley, Ben Hudson, Jason Torney, Ken McGregor, Scott Welsh, Graham Johncock, Darren Pfeiffer, Chris Knights, Ian Perrie, Andrew McLeod, Ben Rutten, Richard Douglas, Scott Stevens, Brent Reilly, Simon Goodwin, John Hinge, Martin Mattner, Jason Porplyzia, Nathan Bock, Rhys Archard, Andrew McIntyre.

[am Bays]

As we get off topic.......

if SANFL were going to bring the whole SANFl community together by inventing the crows. why didnt we enter the crows in 1997 when the AFl wanted it. ??? hey .....

cos a study was done on the affect the crows would have on the future of the SANFl and guess what . The results were not good. it said it would make the SANFl irrlevant funnily enough.

They wanted us in '87 not '97......... ,Yep jump into the AFL under the AFL conditions, with four months of planning, great way to start a multi-million dollar business as the Weagles showed, or do you wait until 1991-92 to negotiate entry into the AFL with a better bargaining position - when the TV right are up for negotiation again. The AFL would have been under pressure from channel seven to provide a truly national comp i.e. an Adelaide team, As was discussed at the SANFL planning retreat in April / May 1990 with all clubs - all clubs were aware that 1993 was the planned entry date, history showed that didn't sit well with one club

nice way to contradict yourself. So Crows werent invented because port wanted to enter the AFL independently of the SANFl. Then you go on to ask imagine if port got in. ???

the crows wouldnt exist if port had allowed the SANFL to control the licence initially. Wont proof why didnt the SANFl stop port getting into the AFl in 97. hint : something to do with SANFl in control Port's licence.

In answer to your proof statement - Simple the AFL decided who went in not the SANFL, Max and Leigh acted ensure the license went to the SANFL so the SANFL had a say in how the new franchise was managed and all the SA Footy community benefitted.

If Port had got in in 1990 you can bet a composite team would have been admitted in 1993, to get rid of the bye and give C7 eight games a week. AFL would have paid Port compensation for diluting its market share. If your that naive to believe that a composite team wasn't going to be admitted if Port got in, you are as stupid as the people who believed Port shouldn't have got the 2nd license in 1996 becasue of their disloyalty.

We can split hairs all night if you like the SANFL and other clubs were either: 1. acting to ensure everyone "benefitted" from the entry of an SA team in the AFL or 2. they were simply acting to stop Port. I'm sure Bruce Webber and his cohorts weren't planning on distributing part of their profits to the Glenelg Football Club (and every other SANFL club for that matter) out of their AFL profits in when they first walked into Ross' office in June 1990. The SANFL acted to make sure whatever money was going to be made out of this AFL venture was going to come to them and all SANFL clubs not just one football entity in this state.

Once the writing was on the wall and a SA team was a fait accompli in 1991 only natural the SANFL acted to maximise the benefit to the entire SA Footy community. Having seen the impact of an new license in WA and the ability of the 1987-88 privately run Eagles to operate financially without the full support of the WA footy community I bet ol Rosco was happy the SANFL was in control of the AFL license as it dramiticaly improved the chances of off field success for the SA team.

In other words he got what he wanted in 1986 an SA team run by the SANFL - here's my next question for history forum, Port Adelaide football Club, how does it feel to be used by the AFL to get an SA team in the AFL

[RoosterMarty]

It's good to see McIntyre get a run with the Crows hopefully he does well and gets a bit of game time.

[TroyGFC]

See no Sellers! Could be good experience for the lad.

[Aerie]

No Bernie Vince neither. Is he still injured?

[Rik E Boy]

PREPARATION IDIOT. CONFIDENCE ASWELL. MAY HELP NOT STARTING THE YEAR BY NOT GETTING DEMOLISHED BY 100 POINTS PLUS.

I'm sure that the confidence of the players isn't too badly dented by losing to an AFL team. But hey name calling works if you don't really have anything real to add.

I COULD ANSWER THIS MANY WAYS. WILL STICK WITH WHAT EVER BRINGS IN THE $$$ FOR THE LEGS AS YOU NEED IT. ANY OTHER CLUB SERIOUSLY TRIED TO TAKE THE FIXTURE AWAY FROM YOU ??? NO . I WONDER WHY .

Then why don't you? Give us the benefit of your enormous wealth of experience and profound understanding. That should take up about five minutes. My comments were more about supporters of other clubs wondering why their team doesn't get 'their' turn to play the Crows, not about the inner workings of other SANFL clubs. I'll leave that sort of guesswork to your good self and seek you out for advice should ever I need it on this issue.

REB if you think the main goal of the Norwood foootball club this year is to win a flag. instead of setting up a club room trying to make a profit for the first time in how many years. Simply you are delluded and im not going to argue.

Just as I thought, Downright arrogant. Again I was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt but clearly that benefit is wasted on you. Yes, making a profit is important but no matter what the ladder position the year before, the premiership is always the goal. People who don't understand this are usually people who have never played sport or are frontrunning supporters of winning sporting teams. When you suit up for a new season you don't think 'hang on, we finished 7th last year so this year we'll just think about making a profit this season'. You sir, have no idea. As for not going to argue on this point we both agree. To argue is to put forth a reasoned point and to back it up with accurate suppostions, something you have failed to do in nearly every post you have made but I welcome the interraction, even if you won't appreciate the opportunity to think outside the extremely narrow confines of your rigidly held opinions.

THOU ART A LIAR !!!

I said perceptive football followers. The game is always greater than any one club. Read Tassie's posts again...or just read anything.




regards,

REB

[Gravel]

Apologies to the Norwood vs Crows discussion, but to answer 1980's question.
I don't think 'being used' is ever considered 1980 - Oakley is on record saying that they wanted a SA composite side first, and if that option was not available the next choice was the best local side. I would suggest that Port had no illusions when approached by the AFL in 1990 that it was because the composite side was not an option at that time. On profit distribution, I seem to recall the Heads of Agreement between Port and the AFL having a 50% distribution to the SANFL.

[am Bays]

Apologies to the Norwood vs Crows discussion, but to answer 1980's question.
I don't think 'being used' is ever considered 1980 - Oakley is on record saying that they wanted a SA composite side first, and if that option was not available the next choice was the best local side. I would suggest that Port had no illusions when approached by the AFL in 1990 that it was because the composite side was not an option at that time. On profit distribution, I seem to recall the Heads of Agreement between Port and the AFL having a 50% distribution to the SANFL.

Ta Gravel, good to get an educated perspective from someone who appears to know a bt about it. I wont add to the discussiion as this thread has gone off track enough....

Wedgeman, as a crows member if I had the option of choosing between watching the Crows at that dogbox of an oval and lazing by a pool drinking barley and hops flavoured water on a hot February night....the pool wins every time.....

[Jar Man Out]

PREPARATION IDIOT. CONFIDENCE ASWELL. MAY HELP NOT STARTING THE YEAR BY NOT GETTING DEMOLISHED BY 100 POINTS PLUS.

I'm sure that the confidence of the players isn't too badly dented by losing to an AFL team. But hey name calling works if you don't really have anything real to add.

I COULD ANSWER THIS MANY WAYS. WILL STICK WITH WHAT EVER BRINGS IN THE $$$ FOR THE LEGS AS YOU NEED IT. ANY OTHER CLUB SERIOUSLY TRIED TO TAKE THE FIXTURE AWAY FROM YOU ??? NO . I WONDER WHY .

Then why don't you? Give us the benefit of your enormous wealth of experience and profound understanding. That should take up about five minutes. My comments were more about supporters of other clubs wondering why their team doesn't get 'their' turn to play the Crows, not about the inner workings of other SANFL clubs. I'll leave that sort of guesswork to your good self and seek you out for advice should ever I need it on this issue.

REB if you think the main goal of the Norwood foootball club this year is to win a flag. instead of setting up a club room trying to make a profit for the first time in how many years. Simply you are delluded and im not going to argue.

Just as I thought, Downright arrogant. Again I was prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt but clearly that benefit is wasted on you. Yes, making a profit is important but no matter what the ladder position the year before, the premiership is always the goal. People who don't understand this are usually people who have never played sport or are frontrunning supporters of winning sporting teams. When you suit up for a new season you don't think 'hang on, we finished 7th last year so this year we'll just think about making a profit this season'. You sir, have no idea. As for not going to argue on this point we both agree. To argue is to put forth a reasoned point and to back it up with accurate suppostions, something you have failed to do in nearly every post you have made but I welcome the interraction, even if you won't appreciate the opportunity to think outside the extremely narrow confines of your rigidly held opinions.

THOU ART A LIAR !!!

I said perceptive football followers. The game is always greater than any one club. Read Tassie's posts again...or just read anything.

Sorry REb . You are so correct. The main reason Norwood play the crows in Feb is because it is the best preparation possible for the season ahead. not the $$$ it brings into the club. 100% agree with you. you are delluded. but i guess that is why you moved to Queensland. so you can deliberately be naive on your clubs prospects. Hell i would if i was a legs supporter. Enjoy your 100 point thumping tonight im sure it will get the season 2007 off on the right foot for the legs.

[Jar Man Out]

As we get off topic.......

if SANFL were going to bring the whole SANFl community together by inventing the crows. why didnt we enter the crows in 1997 when the AFl wanted it. ??? hey .....

cos a study was done on the affect the crows would have on the future of the SANFl and guess what . The results were not good. it said it would make the SANFl irrlevant funnily enough.

They wanted us in '87 not '97......... ,Yep jump into the AFL under the AFL conditions, with four months of planning, great way to start a multi-million dollar business as the Weagles showed, or do you wait until 1991-92 to negotiate entry into the AFL with a better bargaining position - when the TV right are up for negotiation again. The AFL would have been under pressure from channel seven to provide a truly national comp i.e. an Adelaide team, As was discussed at the SANFL planning retreat in April / May 1990 with all clubs - all clubs were aware that 1993 was the planned entry date, history showed that didn't sit well with one club

nice way to contradict yourself. So Crows werent invented because port wanted to enter the AFL independently of the SANFl. Then you go on to ask imagine if port got in. ???

the crows wouldnt exist if port had allowed the SANFL to control the licence initially. Wont proof why didnt the SANFl stop port getting into the AFl in 97. hint : something to do with SANFl in control Port's licence.

In answer to your proof statement - Simple the AFL decided who went in not the SANFL, Max and Leigh acted ensure the license went to the SANFL so the SANFL had a say in how the new franchise was managed and all the SA Footy community benefitted.

If Port had got in in 1990 you can bet a composite team would have been admitted in 1993, to get rid of the bye and give C7 eight games a week. AFL would have paid Port compensation for diluting its market share. If your that naive to believe that a composite team wasn't going to be admitted if Port got in, you are as stupid as the people who believed Port shouldn't have got the 2nd license in 1996 becasue of their disloyalty.

We can split hairs all night if you like the SANFL and other clubs were either: 1. acting to ensure everyone "benefitted" from the entry of an SA team in the AFL or 2. they were simply acting to stop Port. I'm sure Bruce Webber and his cohorts weren't planning on distributing part of their profits to the Glenelg Football Club (and every other SANFL club for that matter) out of their AFL profits in when they first walked into Ross' office in June 1990. The SANFL acted to make sure whatever money was going to be made out of this AFL venture was going to come to them and all SANFL clubs not just one football entity in this state.

Once the writing was on the wall and a SA team was a fait accompli in 1991 only natural the SANFL acted to maximise the benefit to the entire SA Footy community. Having seen the impact of an new license in WA and the ability of the 1987-88 privately run Eagles to operate financially without the full support of the WA footy community I bet ol Rosco was happy the SANFL was in control of the AFL license as it dramiticaly improved the chances of off field success for the SA team.

In other words he got what he wanted in 1986 an SA team run by the SANFL - here's my next question for history forum, Port Adelaide football Club, how does it feel to be used by the AFL to get an SA team in the AFL

this is exactly why you crows fans are hated. dont argue this im a sanfl fan and im telling you. telling us the SANFl why we invented you. Didnt pick you as a crows fan tas. not half.

you asked the question im answering it. notice you didnt pick the bones out of anything else against the crows. but the port fact i find that very interesting.

crows fans remind me of gollum from lord of the rings. 15 years ago fresh faced football fans drawn to this game for a reason completely unbeknown to them. 15 years later dark ugly creatures with massive chips on their shoulders who are always protecting their precious at all costs.

But we know what the 1987 SANFl commision report on the crows said and why basheer was hesitant to use them. We can also see the effect on the SANFl they have caused. i unlike you dont deny it.

If it wasnt for Ports idiocy in wanting to enter without the governing body of football in this state involvement . Which they should forever be bagged out about. They would have got the first licence deny it all you want.

Question for you gollums ; if port / glenelg in afl instead of c*&%s.

would be no father son hassel. would like to see the afl deny bryce gibbs to the bays. but to the crows well ross didnt play for them so far enough. notice port didnt have any hassels with ebert.

notice the SANFl doesnt care what heritage guernsey Port wears same with glenelg. But if the crows dare touch an state guernsey they get slayed. mmm i wonder why ....

why not sanfl games before the afl . so profits can be shared. i wouldnt be upset if port magpies played before port. but if the crows picked a club to play before their games will all of the sanfl would have a problem with that. Why dont crows care cos it would cost the crows $$$ and they dont want to share.

this set up doesnt work. never will.

[scoob]

I hope its a NIL all draw...

[magpie in the 80's]

where's PhilG and Roylion when you need them

[Rik E Boy]

LOL Mark. I didn't say the Legs' were premiership certanties mate

regards,

REB

[Booney]

This is a trial game,isn't it?

[Rik E Boy]

This is a trial game,isn't it?

No, it's the reason why the Redlegs have been carp for ten years LOL.

regards,

REB

[mighty_tiger_79]

This is a trial game,isn't it?

this is the legs' grand final