SENSATION AT PARADE

[Wedgie]

I dont have an issue as to what Norwood did (as I said, huge positive for North and huge negative for Norwood) but I do have an issue if people start making porky pies and dont know who said what:

From nafc.com.au:

The press have given a brief account of what was quite an extraordinary event, so here are the facts:

In the usual frantic pre match build up, sides change in accordance with team strategies and key player match ups. In the normal course of events the Team Manager makes a final check with the Senior Coach as to which players are actually on the interchange bench and marks the team sheet accordingly for the SANFL Interchange Steward.

On Friday night our Team Manager was notified by an Assistant Coach as to the players he thought were on the interchange and acted accordingly. Upon the commencement of the game, the SANFL Interchange Steward realised the error and notified both Norwood's and North's Team Managers of the problem with all parties indicating a willingness to correct same.

In a strict application of the rules, Norwood Football Club insisted that the violation had occurred and that Brett O'Hara and Tim Martin could not take participate in the game. In summary, human error was the sole cause of the problem in the form of an honest mistake - not some contrived plot to gain an unfair advantage over Norwood.

[manny]

Cheers Wedgie. Norwood acted entirely within the rules and North will have leant from it. It could have been far worse had it occurred during the finals. All clubs will have now taken notice.

[Wedgie]

Cheers Wedgie. Norwood acted entirely within the rules and North will have leant from it. It could have been far worse had it occurred during the finals. All clubs will have now taken notice.

Agreed fully mate, and as I said in my previous post I don't have an issue with what happened, I do have an issue with any porky pies being told and its good to see you agree with the NAFC on this matter.
Lets just hope the fax to 5AA was a hoax otherwise the Norwood Footy Club could look very unprofessional, I look forward to their official response tomorrow on their official website like any club worth a pinch of salt would do so there can be no mistaking their official version of events.

[mal]

In this case Norwood did nothing wrong and shouldnt be held to ridicule for an error by the North hierachy which would be disappointing in the local under 11's. Once you are out there, I've always said never give a sucker an even break and if the boot was on the other foot, especially against sat the Doggies in a final, I would expect North to do exactly the same !

G you barrack for NORWOOD ?
Just imagine the calamity if the leggies got up and won. fortunately North won
and everybody can let it go.
If my team Norwood lost in those circumstances I would be furious

Spare a thought for the victims
OHARA + MARTIN because of a ''cock'' up miss out on a game of footy
Imagine how the 2 players felt during the night

If this bullshit happened in a final to the losing team it would be undescribable

[Wedgie]

Spare a thought for the victims
OHARA + MARTIN because of a ''cock'' up miss out on a game of footy
Imagine how the 2 players felt during the night

At least they'll be fresh for this week!

[manny]

Mal who would you be furious with, the opposition club or the person(s) who made the error?

[carey]

Timmy Martin is a great lad. Remember the days when i played underage at Centrals with him. You'd think proffesional clubs these days wouldnt make blunders like that

WHAT ?
do you not remember at eliz. oval you standing there at the fence say'n timmy martin your shit blah blah blah get a kick a martin blah blah blah bagging the shit out of him now your on here saying he is a great lad ?
well which one is it boxhead ???????????

[am Bays]

If this bullshit happened in a final to the losing team it would be undescribable

If it happened in a final and that club lost, I bet that club would never make the same mistake again....

This is league footy not park footy A7 styles....

I would have no problem with the outcome if it had been a Glenelg error and we lost because of a numerical disadvantage as what happened in an U/17s game 15 years ago when we **** up an interchange....

[RustyCage]

Well as Jars said tonight on 5AA he would not have envoked the rule that the players could not play if he were in the same situation as Trevor Hill.

It shouldn't be up to the other coach to have a rule adheared to. If the rule was broken, the penalty must apply. If not, get rid of, or change, the rule.

[mal]

Mal who would you be furious with, the opposition club or the person(s) who made the error?

Furious that commonsense had not prevailed.
This must not happen again

OK lets make it the North Norwood 2007 Grand Final
Only this time the Roosters lost
How would OHARA + MARTIN feel missing a grand final spot ?
How would happy go lucky WEDGIE feel then
Hes all happy and smug BECAUSE his roosters won a round 6 game....
I betcha he would be furious if he lost a G/F like this

Just IMAGINE one of us was playing footy somewhare and one of
our officials f...d up the team sheets, how would we feel, f.....g devastated.

[Wedgie]

mal, I'll leave the worrying about hypotheticals to you while I worry about what factually happened.

And if you're going to worry about hypotheticals I'd hazard to say that North would be less likely than any club to make this mistake since as they'd learn from their mistake on Friday night. So apply your irrelevent hypothetical fairy tales to other clubs mate as that would make more sense if you're going to worry about things that haven't happened and are unlikely to happen.

Why dont you also give us your opinion about aliens landing on footy park on Grand Final day, it could hypothetically happen.


PS Apologies for being happy mate, I don't know what came over me!

[am Bays]

Mate if it happens again in the 2007 GF at North well boo them for making the same mistake twice....

get over it, the rules are clear.....

[Dogwatcher]

Timmy Martin is a great lad. Remember the days when i played underage at Centrals with him. You'd think proffesional clubs these days wouldnt make blunders like that

WHAT ?
do you not remember at eliz. oval you standing there at the fence say'n timmy martin your shit blah blah blah get a kick a martin blah blah blah bagging the shit out of him now your on here saying he is a great lad ?
well which one is it boxhead ???????????

Ha ha ha - gold!

[Aerie]

Without debating the rights and wrongs of the decision, presuming Norwood had any say in it I don't think the call should be theirs to make. The umpires' job is to umpire and the officials' job to officiate. For example, playing unregistered players might be outside the rules 'n' all, but if you can convince the other side to agree, we'll overlook it? Sounds like a recipe for corruption ('we'll agree to X if you let us have Y' or worse, 'a quiet sum in a brown paper bag and we'll agree to X').

The fact that both clubs agree doesn't make it legal; case in point being where Sydney Swans reserves swapped players with a desperately undermanned Weston Creek last year to even up the game, and the ACTAFL stripped both teams of points from the game. For a competition to have credibility as a genuine comp rather than mates kicking a ball around, it needs a disinterested third party to make the hard calls about compliance with the rules, on the field or off.

Agree completely with what you say there. SANFL needs to learn from this and have an official decide what happens. A fine and warning to North would have been better than what happened for all parties involved.

From reading the posts on here my opinion is that technically Norwood had every right to do what they did BUT commonsense and sportsmanship should have prevailed and Norwood should have accepted North's mistake (which seemed genuine according to what is written on their website) and let the players play.

[SimonH]

I dont have an issue as to what Norwood did (as I said, huge positive for North and huge negative for Norwood) but I do have an issue if people start making porky pies and dont know who said what:

From nafc.com.au:

The press have given a brief account of what was quite an extraordinary event, so here are the facts:

In the usual frantic pre match build up, sides change in accordance with team strategies and key player match ups. In the normal course of events the Team Manager makes a final check with the Senior Coach as to which players are actually on the interchange bench and marks the team sheet accordingly for the SANFL Interchange Steward.

On Friday night our Team Manager was notified by an Assistant Coach as to the players he thought were on the interchange and acted accordingly. Upon the commencement of the game, the SANFL Interchange Steward realised the error and notified both Norwood's and North's Team Managers of the problem with all parties indicating a willingness to correct same.

In a strict application of the rules, Norwood Football Club insisted that the violation had occurred and that Brett O'Hara and Tim Martin could not take participate in the game. In summary, human error was the sole cause of the problem in the form of an honest mistake - not some contrived plot to gain an unfair advantage over Norwood.

That reads like a whole lot of spin that poses more questions than it answers.

1. What on earth are they trying to say with the phrase 'Norwood Football Club insisted that the violation had occurred'? The violation had occurred. The SANFL steward noticed it, NAFC admitted it, the NFC official/s were aware of it. Bringing NFC's insistence into it would only have any relevance if anybody denied that a violation had occurred.

2. The phrase '... all parties indicating a willingness to correct same' is, in a vague and roundabout way, accusing Norwood of changing its tune. Not 'both parties', not 'our party', but all parties. If NAFC is claiming that someone from NFC said, 'it'll be right, I'm sure we can fix this up' but then changed his mind or got overruled, then tell us exactly who said what when. If not, then drop the vague and misleading accusation.

3. 'Norwood Football Club insisted that... Brett O'Hara and Tim Martin could not take part in the game'. Firstly, what is the SANFL steward's job? For that matter, what is the SANFL's job? Why create the impression (that is, or at least should be if everyone's doing their job, false) that NFC is judge, jury and executioner of the rules? Secondly, the whole Football Club? Must have been a pretty quick board meeting. Did they send it out to a vote of the members?

If NAFC just want to clear the air and just put the facts out there, then a statement of which named persons, said and did what, at what time, would be a lot more useful than this combination of self-justification, whinging and vague accusations.

As pafc1870 said, if the rule is stoopid, then go to the SANFL and change the rule. While it remains a SANFL match rule, the officials who run SANFL matches have to enforce it. In the modern age of pinball interchanges, it's hard to see that the penalty should be more than that they can't play in the first quarter. The rule would have made sense before unlimited interchange was introduced; has it even been reconsidered since then?

... otherwise the Norwood Footy Club could look very unprofessional...

Gee, that'd be terrible, wouldn't it? The professionalism of the Norwood Football Club is really in question after Friday night's events, hey? Lucky no-one from NAFC has ever done anything unprofessional.

[Wedgie]

... otherwise the Norwood Footy Club could look very unprofessional...

Gee, that'd be terrible, wouldn't it? The professionalism of the Norwood Football Club is really in question after Friday night's events, hey? Lucky no-one from NAFC has ever done anything unprofessional.

Geez mate, you're getting a bit excited considering I agreed with you.
On your last point there is a big difference between the unprofessionalism of a mistake and the unprofessionalism of outright lying IMHO hence the comment.
Hopefully the fax to 5AA was a hoax so there was no lying as that would be poor form.

I think the whole incident is fantastic, certainly providing a topic to discuss!

[BPBRB]

Without debating the rights and wrongs of the decision, presuming Norwood had any say in it I don't think the call should be theirs to make. The umpires' job is to umpire and the officials' job to officiate. For example, playing unregistered players might be outside the rules 'n' all, but if you can convince the other side to agree, we'll overlook it? Sounds like a recipe for corruption ('we'll agree to X if you let us have Y' or worse, 'a quiet sum in a brown paper bag and we'll agree to X').

The fact that both clubs agree doesn't make it legal; case in point being where Sydney Swans reserves swapped players with a desperately undermanned Weston Creek last year to even up the game, and the ACTAFL stripped both teams of points from the game. For a competition to have credibility as a genuine comp rather than mates kicking a ball around, it needs a disinterested third party to make the hard calls about compliance with the rules, on the field or off.

Agree completely with what you say there. SANFL needs to learn from this and have an official decide what happens. A fine and warning to North would have been better than what happened for all parties involved.

From reading the posts on here my opinion is that technically Norwood had every right to do what they did BUT commonsense and sportsmanship should have prevailed and Norwood should have accepted North's mistake (which seemed genuine according to what is written on their website) and let the players play.

Well said Aerie.

Norwood or should I say their Football Manager Jamie Mason and Trevor Hill appear to be the one's who forgot about sportsmanship which is really my "beef" all along. I'm the first to admit that what North did was an unprofessional blunder and the Norwood's coaches final decision, when it was referred to him by his Football Manager Jamie Mason (who was well aware of the facts and rule) is his right and within the rules but to take that advantage over such a minor breach of marking the wrong names for the bench out of the same 21 who would have played if the mistake was not made is just desperate.

The fax to 5AA by Norwood's team manager tonight and read out by Cornesy was a pack of face covering lies and just a further indication of how low they will stoop.

Enough said

[topsywaldron]

I'm the first to admit that what North did was an unprofessional blunder and the Norwood's coaches final decision is right and within the rules

Now THAT'S enough said.

[mal]

mal, I'll leave the worrying about hypotheticals to you while I worry about what factually happened.

And if you're going to worry about hypotheticals I'd hazard to say that North would be less likely than any club to make this mistake since as they'd learn from their mistake on Friday night. So apply your irrelevent hypothetical fairy tales to other clubs mate as that would make more sense if you're going to worry about things that haven't happened and are unlikely to happen.

Why dont you also give us your opinion about aliens landing on footy park on Grand Final day, it could hypothetically happen.


PS Apologies for being happy mate, I don't know what came over me!

Prevention is better than cure.
And aliens do exist, I have every taped episiode of Lost In Space to prove it.

[G]

Mal I've been called many obscenities in my career but never has anyone stooped so low as to suggest that I'm a Redleg fan. Quite the opposite and in fact apart from Glenelg, they are my most despised side.