Daniel Schell back for Dogs

[smac]

He's qualified, how could it be unfair?

[Dogwatcher]

Has this ever been done before? The Bulldogs just seem to continue playing smart football off the field.

Yes, Royce Hart played a final for Glenelg without even having played a single game for them through the season, I do believe!
He apparently needed directions to Glenelg Oval for training during the finals

Former Hawthorn premiership ruckman Malcolm Hill, who moved to SA and played with Sturt, was living in the Riverland and called up for the finals by the Double Blues in at least one season. He won a flag that year with both Sturt and Berri, as I understand it.

[SANFLnut]

If the rule allows you to be named in the reserves, not play & still play somewhere else on the same day - is there anything to stop, for example, Norwood naming Taylor Walker in the twos this week even though he plays with the Crows. As I understand it that would be the fifth game that he needs to qualify. Any other AFL players with four games played so far? We could name Kurt Tippett, Dom Cassissi, Patty Dangerfield and Ben Rutten on a rotating basis next year and get them all into our finals side (as we are sure to make it next year).

[whufc]

If the rule allows you to be named in the reserves, not play & still play somewhere else on the same day - is there anything to stop, for example, Norwood naming Taylor Walker in the twos this week even though he plays with the Crows. As I understand it that would be the fifth game that he needs to qualify. Any other AFL players with four games played so far? We could name Kurt Tippett, Dom Cassissi, Patty Dangerfield and Ben Rutten on a rotating basis next year and get them all into our finals side (as we are sure to make it next year).

Yes massive difference because those players are owned by AFL clubs so unless the Crows were to give you permission to do so the club wouldnt be allowed.

Who cares whether he played or not whats the difference between him being named and going to the beach or being named and sitting the whole game on the bench without coming on.

[Grahaml]

If the rule allows you to be named in the reserves, not play & still play somewhere else on the same day - is there anything to stop, for example, Norwood naming Taylor Walker in the twos this week even though he plays with the Crows. As I understand it that would be the fifth game that he needs to qualify. Any other AFL players with four games played so far? We could name Kurt Tippett, Dom Cassissi, Patty Dangerfield and Ben Rutten on a rotating basis next year and get them all into our finals side (as we are sure to make it next year).

Yeah, there is. The rules. You're talking about a country footballer as opposed to an AFL player. Just a little difference. It's very common for a footballer to go between different comps during the year. You don't think those players dropped from reserves just sit the round out? And we saw last year Sutherland playing with Berri one week, dogs the next and back all throughout the last month or so of the season. The difference is the bloke isn't coming from a higher comp to a lower one.

As for being certain to make it next year, thought West were certain to be there this year? At least that's what we were all being told constantly during the off season.

[udogs01]

He's qualified, how could it be unfair?

Unfair coz they allow Petrenko but not Gunston

[whufc]

He's qualified, how could it be unfair?

Unfair coz they allow Petrenko but not Gunston

Because Gunston is currently playing with an injury its in the Crows best interest for him to have surgery as soon as there season is finished which is their right as his employer.

Obviously in the Crows mind Petrenko is fully fit and playing SANFL finals will be great for his development.

Annoying yes but get use to it, if AFL clubs own them they can do what they like with them.

Hence why teams shouldnt rely on returning AFL players.

[udogs01]

He's qualified, how could it be unfair?

Unfair coz they allow Petrenko but not Gunston

Because Gunston is currently playing with an injury its in the Crows best interest for him to have surgery as soon as there season is finished which is their right as his employer.

Obviously in the Crows mind Petrenko is fully fit and playing SANFL finals will be great for his development.

Annoying yes but get use to it, if AFL clubs own them they can do what they like with them.

Hence why teams shouldnt rely on returning AFL players.

Point taken whufc.....but so frustrating wouldn't we love Gunston considering our other injuries.

[whufc]

He's qualified, how could it be unfair?

Unfair coz they allow Petrenko but not Gunston

Because Gunston is currently playing with an injury its in the Crows best interest for him to have surgery as soon as there season is finished which is their right as his employer.

Obviously in the Crows mind Petrenko is fully fit and playing SANFL finals will be great for his development.

Annoying yes but get use to it, if AFL clubs own them they can do what they like with them.

Hence why teams shouldnt rely on returning AFL players.

Point taken whufc.....but so frustrating wouldn't we love Gunston considering our other injuries.

Definatly he would have been extremly handy and by all reports loves playing for the club.

Still remember his mark in last 20 seconds of last years GF like it was yesterday. Another great mini draft pick up for the Dogs.

I guess because at times it seem inconsistent as to who is and who isnt available alot of frustation is had, but from what i was told the Crows were very proffesional in this case and Central have been aware for almost a month of Gunstons unavailablitity which is all you can ask from the AFL clubs.

[Squawk]

If the rule allows you to be named in the reserves, not play & still play somewhere else on the same day - is there anything to stop, for example, Norwood naming Taylor Walker in the twos this week even though he plays with the Crows. As I understand it that would be the fifth game that he needs to qualify.

My mail is that this is correct and Norwood could do so and be in compliance with the rule as it currently stands.

Won't happen though.

[whufc]

If the rule allows you to be named in the reserves, not play & still play somewhere else on the same day - is there anything to stop, for example, Norwood naming Taylor Walker in the twos this week even though he plays with the Crows. As I understand it that would be the fifth game that he needs to qualify.

My mail is that this is correct and Norwood could do so and be in compliance with the rule as it currently stands.

Won't happen though.

Nope think you will find the rule stipulates that SANFL clubs must have AFL clubs permission to put AFL listed players on their team sheets.

Obviously at no level would the Crows agree to something like that, would open up a massive can.....

[Squawk]

I have a pretty good postman, whufc

Can of worms or not, apparently it is permitted within the rules as they currently stand. You needn't worry though because my postman also said it wouldn't be pursued. So Dogs fans, breathe a sigh of relief - there will be no Taylor Walker in number 24 playing finals for Norwood this year.

If Callinan does his hammy again though - now that will be an interesting conundrum for all the stakeholders involved with that possible conundrum....

[whufc]

I have a pretty good postman, whufc
Can of worms or not, apparently it is permitted within the rules as they currently stand. You needn't worry though because my postman also said it wouldn't be pursued. So Dogs fans, breathe of sigh of relief - there will be no Taylor Walker in number 24 playing finals for Norwood this year. If Callinan does his hammy again though - now that will be an interesting conundrum for all the stakeholders involved with that possible conundrum....

Not worried at all as i obviously wont happen.

But earlier on the year me and a few mates were jokingly throwing out the idea about whether you could do this with Callinan one night while we were having a few beers.

The talk got a bit more serious as it does when drinking and following some research we discovered that there is a section that covers AFL clubs from this type thing happening.

Would be like Central convincing Justin Westoff to have played for them on Saturday even though selected to play for Port on Sunday because we are short on talls without Port Power permission you simply cannot do it and any club naming AFL players when not given permission face serious penalties.

Ill try and dust of the bits we found will post in the next day or two.

[bulldogproud2]

I have a pretty good postman, whufc

Can of worms or not, apparently it is permitted within the rules as they currently stand. You needn't worry though because my postman also said it wouldn't be pursued. So Dogs fans, breathe a sigh of relief - there will be no Taylor Walker in number 24 playing finals for Norwood this year.

If Callinan does his hammy again though - now that will be an interesting conundrum for all the stakeholders involved with that possible conundrum....

We all know that your postman is 100% incorrect, Squawk, and it is just a smokescreen to take attention away from the fact that Norwood supporters are getting extremely worried about a player who is well past his best, has done very little training this year and has been getting used to a much lower standard of football this year. Worry about our other 20 before you worry about Schelly.
Cheers

[Squawk]

I'm not worried about Schell. In fact, I'd be surprised if he was actually picked to play League and indeed I give CDFC credit for thinking outside the square. But it would be a big gamble to promote him from country footy to SANFL finals, mainly from a match conditioning perspective. There'd probably be 41 other guys I'd worry about before him. The Dogs could also get knocked out of the reserves finals if they lose their last 2 minor round games and then it would be even harder to pick Schell if he cant have a run around in a reserves final at least.

[dedja]

what he said ...

[bulldogproud2]

I'm not worried about Schell. In fact, I'd be surprised if he was actually picked to play League and indeed I give CDFC credit for thinking outside the square. But it would be a big gamble to promote him from country footy to SANFL finals, mainly from a match conditioning perspective. There'd probably be 41 other guys I'd worry about before him. The Dogs could also get knocked out of the reserves finals if they lose their last 2 minor round games and then it would be even harder to pick Schell if he cant have a run around in a reserves final at least.

I pretty much agree with that, which reinforces why it is crazy that there are four pages dedicated to worries about Schell qualifying for the finals. There are many bigger threats than Schelly, much as he is my alltime favourite player!

[whufc]

I'm not worried about Schell. In fact, I'd be surprised if he was actually picked to play League and indeed I give CDFC credit for thinking outside the square. But it would be a big gamble to promote him from country footy to SANFL finals, mainly from a match conditioning perspective. There'd probably be 41 other guys I'd worry about before him. The Dogs could also get knocked out of the reserves finals if they lose their last 2 minor round games and then it would be even harder to pick Schell if he cant have a run around in a reserves final at least.

Very true but worked well with Sutherland last year plus Schell has had the advantage of knowing about this for over a month now so he has been getting his fitness level up to the required standard.

Why Schell will be a huge bonus if he plays.

1- he enables us to keep playing the same structures which have been successful in finals football
2- he is rarely outmarked and generally gets to the ball to ground giving the likes of Callinan, O'Sullivan and Gowans a chance to do what they do best.
3- finals experience cant be found in blokes who have only played 20 odd reserves games and no league finals.

[Hazydog]

I'm not worried about Schell. In fact, I'd be surprised if he was actually picked to play League and indeed I give CDFC credit for thinking outside the square. But it would be a big gamble to promote him from country footy to SANFL finals, mainly from a match conditioning perspective. There'd probably be 41 other guys I'd worry about before him. The Dogs could also get knocked out of the reserves finals if they lose their last 2 minor round games and then it would be even harder to pick Schell if he cant have a run around in a reserves final at least.

Very true but worked well with Sutherland last year plus Schell has had the advantage of knowing about this for over a month now so he has been getting his fitness level up to the required standard.

Why Schell will be a huge bonus if he plays.

1- he enables us to keep playing the same structures which have been successful in finals football
2- he is rarely outmarked and generally gets to the ball to ground giving the likes of Callinan, O'Sullivan and Gowans a chance to do what they do best.
3- finals experience cant be found in blokes who have only played 20 odd reserves games and no league finals.

4- Everyone is assuming he will play as a forward. He played some outstanding games as a defender as well.

[doggies4eva]

Schell played with an injury and kicked 3 goals in the GF last year IIRC.

Even half fit he would be a worry for the opposition defence.