Swan Districts AFL protest

[beenreal]

The AFL host club arrangement has existed before in the WAFL.

In 1999, West Coast players were aligned to Claremont but that arrangement faltered and East Perth accomodated them from 2000. It paid immediate dividends for the Royals as they romped to a hat-trick of premierships. Every year they were aligned to the Eagles they won the flag! The alignment ended at the end of the 2002 season.

Fremantle also had a host club arrangement at the same time. Their's was with South Fremantle. South's had a dominant season in 1999, losing only two games but West Perth bucked the odds to beat them in the grand final that year.

East Perth will be a WAFL force next year because they will have some good players added to their ranks who aren't West Coast regulars. These players include Mark Hutchings, Ashton Hams, Callum Sinclair, Brad Dick, Bradd Dalziell, Mitch Brown, Murray Newman, Jacob Brennan and powerful, big-marking rookie Jeremy McGovern (son of former Docker Andrew McGovern).

Peel Thunder will also be strengthened, but probably not quite to the extent of East Perth. They will get Kepler Bradley, Alex Silvagni, Josh Mellington, Zac Clarke and Clancee Pearce - blokes who aren't permanent fixtures in the Docker's line-up.

I don't know why the AFL teams want their players aligned to just one WAFL club. Having their players aligned to various WAFL clubs never stopped the Eagles winning 3 AFL premierships. If it aint broke don't fix it.

It doesn't matter how it used to work, what matters is how it is working now and in the future. There's a reason the windshield is so much bigger than the rear vision mirror.

And I do "get it" about players like Johncock, etc. having to move. Sad but it's about looking at the big picture and no different to my expectation of the likes of Kane Cornes having to move from the Bays to the Magpies. Don't want to do it? Fine, don't play AFL.

If putting the interests of my own club first makes me selfish? Guilty as charged.

[therisingblues]

Well there's putting your club first, most of us would agree there's an issue of ethics here. You're advocating the killing off of our comp and you're smug about it.

[whufc]

The AFL host club arrangement has existed before in the WAFL.

In 1999, West Coast players were aligned to Claremont but that arrangement faltered and East Perth accomodated them from 2000. It paid immediate dividends for the Royals as they romped to a hat-trick of premierships. Every year they were aligned to the Eagles they won the flag! The alignment ended at the end of the 2002 season.

Fremantle also had a host club arrangement at the same time. Their's was with South Fremantle. South's had a dominant season in 1999, losing only two games but West Perth bucked the odds to beat them in the grand final that year.

East Perth will be a WAFL force next year because they will have some good players added to their ranks who aren't West Coast regulars. These players include Mark Hutchings, Ashton Hams, Callum Sinclair, Brad Dick, Bradd Dalziell, Mitch Brown, Murray Newman, Jacob Brennan and powerful, big-marking rookie Jeremy McGovern (son of former Docker Andrew McGovern).

Peel Thunder will also be strengthened, but probably not quite to the extent of East Perth. They will get Kepler Bradley, Alex Silvagni, Josh Mellington, Zac Clarke and Clancee Pearce - blokes who aren't permanent fixtures in the Docker's line-up.

I don't know why the AFL teams want their players aligned to just one WAFL club. Having their players aligned to various WAFL clubs never stopped the Eagles winning 3 AFL premierships. If it aint broke don't fix it.

It doesn't matter how it used to work, what matters is how it is working now and in the future. There's a reason the windshield is so much bigger than the rear vision mirror.

And I do "get it" about players like Johncock, etc. having to move. Sad but it's about looking at the big picture and no different to my expectation of the likes of Kane Cornes having to move from the Bays to the Magpies. Don't want to do it? Fine, don't play AFL.

If putting the interests of my own club first makes me selfish? Guilty as charged.

Problem is you want the SANFL clubs to give use something while they lose out in return. What benefit will the SANFL clubs get.

Unless there is a ridiculously huge amount of money on offer the clubs won't entertain the idea.

[Booney]

whufc, throw a figure out there that you think the SANFL clubs would need to entertain the AFL reserves in the SANFL.

Pick a number.

[whufc]

whufc, throw a figure out there that you think the SANFL clubs would need to entertain the AFL reserves in the SANFL.

Pick a number.

Honestly I wouldn't have a single clue!!

But I do think the SANFL clubs would have to consider whatever amount it was to be 'extremely substantial'

Personally I would hope whatever amount it is/would be it would guarentee the survival of the exsisting SANFL clubs for the foreseeable future

Every man has a price but your soul don't come cheap, unless your Bart Simpson off course

[Pseudo]

It doesn't matter how it used to work, what matters is how it is working now and in the future. There's a reason the windshield is so much bigger than the rear vision mirror.

And I do "get it" about players like Johncock, etc. having to move. Sad but it's about looking at the big picture and no different to my expectation of the likes of Kane Cornes having to move from the Bays to the Magpies. Don't want to do it? Fine, don't play AFL.

If putting the interests of my own club first makes me selfish? Guilty as charged.

For all your spruiking about "looking at the big picture" you are extraordinarily narrow in your focus. A "big picture" might encompass the needs and goals of all parties. A "big picture" might have better reasons for wanting a reserves team than simple envy of the Victorian clubs. A mind capable of envisaging the "big picture" might see that the current setup is As Good As It Gets, or at least has significant benefits that the Victorian model does not. Let the Vic clubs destroy the VFA - they're only doing it because they do not have the luxury of a SANFL in which to field reserves players. Their folly is not something which ought to be emulated.

[whufc]

The one thing I have never heard a reasonable answer for is

Why with all it's billions of dollars can't the AFL set up and support an AFL reserves comp and leave the state leagues alone.

If the A-league, NRL, state cricket can do this surely the AFL is in a position to do so. It would also be a great tv filler instead of the foxtel cup.

[beenreal]

It doesn't matter how it used to work, what matters is how it is working now and in the future. There's a reason the windshield is so much bigger than the rear vision mirror.

And I do "get it" about players like Johncock, etc. having to move. Sad but it's about looking at the big picture and no different to my expectation of the likes of Kane Cornes having to move from the Bays to the Magpies. Don't want to do it? Fine, don't play AFL.

If putting the interests of my own club first makes me selfish? Guilty as charged.

For all your spruiking about "looking at the big picture" you are extraordinarily narrow in your focus. A "big picture" might encompass the needs and goals of all parties. A "big picture" might have better reasons for wanting a reserves team than simple envy of the Victorian clubs. A mind capable of envisaging the "big picture" might see that the current setup is As Good As It Gets, or at least has significant benefits that the Victorian model does not. Let the Vic clubs destroy the VFA - they're only doing it because they do not have the luxury of a SANFL in which to field reserves players. Their folly is not something which ought to be emulated.

Now who's got a narrow focus. More than Victorian clubs have and will have their own Reserves side. Sydney has one, Brisbane has one, WC and Freo will have one.

And there's nothing smug about me not wanting to watch Port Adelaide players, who are paid by Port Adelaide, playing against Port Adelaide.

The model put on record by Keith Thomas encompasses the needs of all parties. The Magpies remain as an SANFL entity made up of AFL and SANFL players across League, Reserves and U18 level.

People like you don't like it because it doesn't serve your needs.

[UK Fan]

It doesn't matter how it used to work, what matters is how it is working now and in the future. There's a reason the windshield is so much bigger than the rear vision mirror.

And I do "get it" about players like Johncock, etc. having to move. Sad but it's about looking at the big picture and no different to my expectation of the likes of Kane Cornes having to move from the Bays to the Magpies. Don't want to do it? Fine, don't play AFL.

If putting the interests of my own club first makes me selfish? Guilty as charged.

For all your spruiking about "looking at the big picture" you are extraordinarily narrow in your focus. A "big picture" might encompass the needs and goals of all parties. A "big picture" might have better reasons for wanting a reserves team than simple envy of the Victorian clubs. A mind capable of envisaging the "big picture" might see that the current setup is As Good As It Gets, or at least has significant benefits that the Victorian model does not. Let the Vic clubs destroy the VFA - they're only doing it because they do not have the luxury of a SANFL in which to field reserves players. Their folly is not something which ought to be emulated.

Now who's got a narrow focus. More than Victorian clubs have and will have their own Reserves side. Sydney has one, Brisbane has one, WC and Freo will have one.

And there's nothing smug about me not wanting to watch Port Adelaide players, who are paid by Port Adelaide, playing against Port Adelaide.

The model put on record by Keith Thomas encompasses the needs of all parties. The Magpies remain as an SANFL entity made up of AFL and SANFL players across League, Reserves and U18 level.

People like you don't like it because it doesn't serve your needs.

And you like selfishly like the idea for what reason ????

It doesnt serve the comps needs Is the reason why SANFl fans are against it schultzy.

[RB]

And I do "get it" about players like Johncock, etc. having to move. Sad but it's about looking at the big picture and no different to my expectation of the likes of Kane Cornes having to move from the Bays to the Magpies. Don't want to do it? Fine, don't play AFL.

Why can they not have it both ways? What exactly is wrong with a player such as Kornes playing for Glenelg if he's dropped by the Power? Are playing for say the Power, and for Glenelg, really mutually exclusive? Does any benefit the Power may get by having Kornes or any other player aligned to the same SANFL club as the other Power players, say the Port Magpies, really outweigh the understandable desire for him to play for Glenelg, the club where he grew up?

[Pseudo]

Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of...

SPOT THE IRONY

Now pay attention, because there is a healthy dose of irony cleverly hidden in the next two quotes.

If putting the interests of my own club first makes me selfish? Guilty as charged.

People like you don't like it because it doesn't serve your needs.

Well folks? Did you SPOT THE IRONY?

[RB]

People like you don't like it because it doesn't serve your needs.

SANFL supporters don't demand much from the AFL clubs except that their competition not be ravaged by the AFL. I don't think not accepting AFL Reserves teams is a big imposition on the AFL clubs.
On the other hand, whether the Power really 'need' a reserves team in the SANFL is debatable. At any rate, it seems this 'need' is a much more imposing one than Pseudo's 'need'.

[Harry the Horse]

Don't get embroiled arguing the point here with a supporter of a club that doesn't give two hoots about anyone outside Port Adelaide and never has.
His "big picture" is the boundaries of Alberton Oval and he has admitted as such.
That's fine but don't pretend it's for the better of the game.

As for how much money is enough to sell your soul and let the ba@#$ds into our comp ... how much money would you want to take your own life?

[cennals05]

Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of...

SPOT THE IRONY

Now pay attention, because there is a healthy dose of irony cleverly hidden in the next two quotes.

If putting the interests of my own club first makes me selfish? Guilty as charged.

People like you don't like it because it doesn't serve your needs.

Well folks? Did you SPOT THE IRONY?

You may need to explain what irony means to beenreal first.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Well it's right there

[FlyingHigh]

And I do "get it" about players like Johncock, etc. having to move. Sad but it's about looking at the big picture and no different to my expectation of the likes of Kane Cornes having to move from the Bays to the Magpies. Don't want to do it? Fine, don't play AFL.

Why can they not have it both ways? What exactly is wrong with a player such as Kornes playing for Glenelg if he's dropped by the Power? Are playing for say the Power, and for Glenelg, really mutually exclusive? Does any benefit the Power may get by having Kornes or any other player aligned to the same SANFL club as the other Power players, say the Port Magpies, really outweigh the understandable desire for him to play for Glenelg, the club where he grew up?

Further, why can't the AFL clubs turn that into a positive to motivate younger players, either drafted locally or interstate? Rather than being in the bubble of the one AFL club all the time, the current system allows those players to rub shoulders with those part-time footballers doing it for bugger-all money who are only fractionally below the standard, and should make those AFL-listed players appreciate the opportunity they have by being on an AFL list.

[on the rails]

Who funds the 2 QLD / NSW Conferences re travel in which the following AFL Clubs have Reserves sides competing? No doubt the AFL given the amount of travel most teams do especially the NT Thunder to facilitate this unique model:

Eastern Conference: Swans; GWS Giants;
Northern Conference: GC Suns, Lions.

For the majority of the year, teams play other teams within their respective conferences HOWEVER the key point of difference between other state leagues and the NEAFL is that all teams play cross-conference games and travel interstate.

So there doesn't seem to be too many issues with the cost and travel re the NEAFL so surely the Power and Crows should be lobbying the AFL to set up a proper AFL Reserves Comp. Failing that AFL should force the VFL to have them play in the VFL or even form a 4 team Reserves League with the West Coast and the Dockers and that way the WAFL can undo the mess they have created this year with the alignment clubs and not root up the SANFL at the same time.

The only compromise re them fielding sides in SA would be in our Reserves Comp only. Magpies obvioulsy have to disappear from the League Comp but sadly there are always casualties in war and as part of a "One Club" PAFC that is the price they have to pay.

[whufc]

Who funds the 2 QLD / NSW Conferences re travel in which the following AFL Clubs have Reserves sides competing? No doubt the AFL given the amount of travel most teams do especially the NT Thunder to facilitate this unique model:

Eastern Conference: Swans; GWS Giants;
Northern Conference: GC Suns, Lions.

For the majority of the year, teams play other teams within their respective conferences HOWEVER the key point of difference between other state leagues and the NEAFL is that all teams play cross-conference games and travel interstate.

So there doesn't seem to be too many issues with the cost and travel re the NEAFL so surely the Power and Crows should be lobbying the AFL to set up a proper AFL Reserves Comp. Failing that AFL should force the VFL to have them play in the VFL or even form a 4 team Reserves League with the West Coast and the Dockers and that way the WAFL can undo the mess they have created this year with the alignment clubs and not root up the SANFL at the same time.

The only compromise re them fielding sides in SA would be in our Reserves Comp only . Magpies obvioulsy have to disappear from the League Comp but sadly there are always casualties in war and as part of a "One Club" PAFC that is the price they have to pay.

Yep that's why I'm so anti AFL in SA!

There are so many different options they can use without having to stuff up the SANFL to get their dream of having 'reserves teams'

Their only reason the State Leagues is there preferred option is because its the cheapest despite the billions they make.

[UK Fan]

Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of...

SPOT THE IRONY

Now pay attention, because there is a healthy dose of irony cleverly hidden in the next two quotes.

If putting the interests of my own club first makes me selfish? Guilty as charged.

People like you don't like it because it doesn't serve your needs.

Well folks? Did you SPOT THE IRONY?

You may need to explain what irony means to beenreal first.

SHhh he thinks he is actually really intelligent and above us!!!! Thats why he tried to talk down to us. Lets not burst his dumb bubble.

[Jim05]

It doesn't matter how it used to work, what matters is how it is working now and in the future. There's a reason the windshield is so much bigger than the rear vision mirror.

And I do "get it" about players like Johncock, etc. having to move. Sad but it's about looking at the big picture and no different to my expectation of the likes of Kane Cornes having to move from the Bays to the Magpies. Don't want to do it? Fine, don't play AFL.

If putting the interests of my own club first makes me selfish? Guilty as charged.

For all your spruiking about "looking at the big picture" you are extraordinarily narrow in your focus. A "big picture" might encompass the needs and goals of all parties. A "big picture" might have better reasons for wanting a reserves team than simple envy of the Victorian clubs. A mind capable of envisaging the "big picture" might see that the current setup is As Good As It Gets, or at least has significant benefits that the Victorian model does not. Let the Vic clubs destroy the VFA - they're only doing it because they do not have the luxury of a SANFL in which to field reserves players. Their folly is not something which ought to be emulated.

Now who's got a narrow focus. More than Victorian clubs have and will have their own Reserves side. Sydney has one, Brisbane has one, WC and Freo will have one.

And there's nothing smug about me not wanting to watch Port Adelaide players, who are paid by Port Adelaide, playing against Port Adelaide.

The model put on record by Keith Thomas encompasses the needs of all parties. The Magpies remain as an SANFL entity made up of AFL and SANFL players across League, Reserves and U18 level.

People like you don't like it because it doesn't serve your needs.

But none of them have under 18's or 16's so hand back your zones and take your juniors out of our comp.
Cant have it both ways, no way on earth the other clubs will vote to let you have everything.