Open Letter for Foot-e-Times...

[Booney]

Nowhere near as worrying as your heart rate must be when you fly off into one of your rants! I can just imagine how red in the face someone must get when so worked up. Always give me a chuckle. Life's to short mate, calm down.

Perhaps spend some time thinking so passionately about your own club and how you can help them to the ultimate success.

Seriously? You are now telling me how to support my club and questioning my passion??? Thin ice and condesending are a few words that come to mind.....!

I'm sure you are a very passionate supporter of your club, I'd imagine you rarely miss a game. Good on you, every club has/needs people who live and breathe for the club they love.

Perhaps the constant sinking of your boot into my club is growing a little tiresome?

[on the rails]

Well your club with it's "we want it all now and f**k the rest" attitude cause people like me to become passionate and defend our turf and if need be take the fight to the enemy!

Quite simple really!

[Macca19]

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

[tipper]

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

vocal yes. port have just started gone about getting their wish by forcing their players to move to the maggies, regardless of what they agreed to when they spruiked the "one club" deal. last i checked, the crows havent all of a sudden had several of their players all moved to the one sanfl side....

[Booney]

Well your club with it's "we want it all now and f**k the rest" attitude cause people like me to become passionate and defend our turf and if need be take the fight to the enemy!

Quite simple really!

I'm not sure about that bit, I think KT and David Koch have made mention of their desire to maintain an SANFL/community presence. If you take that as "**** the rest" then I'm surprised.

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

That is constantly over looked Macca, I'm not surprised mind you. Adelaide have no intention of doing anything but playing an AFL reserves side in the SANFL. Port wish to maintain an SANFL CLUB that incorporates junior programs, community programs, junior development. But as you can see, we're the bad guys.

[UK Fan]

Well your club with it's "we want it all now and f**k the rest" attitude cause people like me to become passionate and defend our turf and if need be take the fight to the enemy!

Quite simple really!

I'm not sure about that bit, I think KT and David Koch have made mention of their desire to maintain an SANFL/community presence. If you take that as "**** the rest" then I'm surprised.

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

That is constantly over looked Macca, I'm not surprised mind you. Adelaide have no intention of doing anything but playing an AFL reserves side in the SANFL. Port wish to maintain an SANFL CLUB that incorporates junior programs, community programs, junior development. But as you can see, we're the bad guys.

Your both bad guys. i cant see crows fans defending their clubs position to destroy the SANFL on this thread ???

[on the rails]

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

Yes agreed BUT

As we have all pointed out: Port want to move their AFL players to the Magpies. They have already put aside the spirit of the one club bullshit you fed the SANFL and started moving players in any case. The PAFC want to retain their current Magpie list as well as top that up with the AFL players. The PAFC will call it an AFL Reserves side however it will be playing in the SANFL League Comp which satisfies the PAFC AFL needs of having them all play in one side but it also strengthens the PAFC SANFL Magpies significantly and would continue to do so if it retains the current model (SANFL League, SANFL Reserves, U18's, U16's and the SA development zone). I also understand that the PAFC want the same SANFL Salary Cap as the other exitsing 8 clubs?

The Crows cannot have that model nor can it be created so if the Port "wants" re this whole issue are not selfish, arrogant and not trying to play fairly for all concerned then please tell us what it is because clearly we are all wrong and stupid?

[Booney]

Well your club with it's "we want it all now and f**k the rest" attitude cause people like me to become passionate and defend our turf and if need be take the fight to the enemy!

Quite simple really!

I'm not sure about that bit, I think KT and David Koch have made mention of their desire to maintain an SANFL/community presence. If you take that as "**** the rest" then I'm surprised.

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

That is constantly over looked Macca, I'm not surprised mind you. Adelaide have no intention of doing anything but playing an AFL reserves side in the SANFL. Port wish to maintain an SANFL CLUB that incorporates junior programs, community programs, junior development. But as you can see, we're the bad guys.

Your both bad guys. i cant see crows fans defending their clubs position to destroy the SANFL on this thread ???

LMAO - There aren't ANY Crows fans on here anymore!! Go look at the tumble weeds in the AFC forum.

Plus, don't go referring to them as a "club", please.

[Pseudo]

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

The same cannot be said of their respective supporters!

[Macca19]

So what you are saying is...

PAFC Crowds have gone from completely Crap to improved Crap?
Either way, it's still Crap!

What im saying is that people should get their facts right. Ports crowds arent continuing to fall. Theyve had a sharp increase this year and are looking at being $3.5 million better off. Something that should be commended, not criticised. I thought people wanted Port to stop being a strain on the SANFL finances. Well thats whats happening. Adelaides continue to fall, despite the promise of success and a near grand final appearance last year. Adelaides crowds have fallen by more than Ports, in both raw terms and percentage terms in the last 10 years.

[Macca19]

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

vocal yes. port have just started gone about getting their wish by forcing their players to move to the maggies, regardless of what they agreed to when they spruiked the "one club" deal. last i checked, the crows havent all of a sudden had several of their players all moved to the one sanfl side....

Port cant just move their players willy nilly. The SANFL have to authorise the move. Why not bring it up with them on why they are allowing Power players to go back to Alberton.

All this constant talk of going back on what they 'agreed to' when they became one club and noone can bring out a statement of what it is that they actually agreed to.

[Macca19]

Your both bad guys. i cant see crows fans defending their clubs position to destroy the SANFL on this thread ???

Thats because there arent any here.

[tipper]

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

vocal yes. port have just started gone about getting their wish by forcing their players to move to the maggies, regardless of what they agreed to when they spruiked the "one club" deal. last i checked, the crows havent all of a sudden had several of their players all moved to the one sanfl side....

Port cant just move their players willy nilly. The SANFL have to authorise the move. Why not bring it up with them on why they are allowing Power players to go back to Alberton.

All this constant talk of going back on what they 'agreed to' when they became one club and noone can bring out a statement of what it is that they actually agreed to.

really? no one can bring out what they agreed to? http://www.portmagpies.com.au/news.php?news_id=636

and i quote from the page
"Importantly, however, the club’s AFL and SANFL football operations will be run independently of each other (see below).

Will the Magpies be a Reserves team for the Power?

The Magpies will not operate as a Reserves side for the Power. Power players would continue to play for their aligned SANFL Club."

that is from port magpies own q and a on the merger. they seemed to believe that they were not becoming a reserves side at the time. seems their views have changed.....

[UK Fan]

Well your club with it's "we want it all now and f**k the rest" attitude cause people like me to become passionate and defend our turf and if need be take the fight to the enemy!

Quite simple really!

I'm not sure about that bit, I think KT and David Koch have made mention of their desire to maintain an SANFL/community presence. If you take that as "**** the rest" then I'm surprised.

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

That is constantly over looked Macca, I'm not surprised mind you. Adelaide have no intention of doing anything but playing an AFL reserves side in the SANFL. Port wish to maintain an SANFL CLUB that incorporates junior programs, community programs, junior development. But as you can see, we're the bad guys.

Your both bad guys. i cant see crows fans defending their clubs position to destroy the SANFL on this thread ???

LMAO - There aren't ANY Crows fans on here anymore!! Go look at the tumble weeds in the AFC forum.

Plus, don't go referring to them as a "club", please.

Deal

[Booney]

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

vocal yes. port have just started gone about getting their wish by forcing their players to move to the maggies, regardless of what they agreed to when they spruiked the "one club" deal. last i checked, the crows havent all of a sudden had several of their players all moved to the one sanfl side....

Port cant just move their players willy nilly. The SANFL have to authorise the move. Why not bring it up with them on why they are allowing Power players to go back to Alberton.
All this constant talk of going back on what they 'agreed to' when they became one club and noone can bring out a statement of what it is that they actually agreed to.

really? no one can bring out what they agreed to? http://www.portmagpies.com.au/news.php?news_id=636
and i quote from the page
"Importantly, however, the club’s AFL and SANFL football operations will be run independently of each other (see below).
Will the Magpies be a Reserves team for the Power?
The Magpies will not operate as a Reserves side for the Power. Power players would continue to play for their aligned SANFL Club."
that is from port magpies own q and a on the merger. they seemed to believe that they were not becoming a reserves side at the time. seems their views have changed.....

Yep, they have changed from October 2010. Most people were probably happy with the Labor government back then too!

Times and situations change.

[Macca19]

The Power are well within their right to request a move for their players. Its up to the SANFL to authorise this move. If Port Magpies are the only ones that want these players then so be it. Thats an SANFL issue, not a Port one. We are not the only AFL club to have moved players this year. The Crows did it with Mckernan, who has been a constant league player for South since his arrival in this state, for "better opportunities". They did it with Dowdell who played 6 league games, including 3 in succession this year before moving him for "more league opportunities". Noone bats an eyelid.

We move Aaron Young, who went from playing 9 of the last 10 AFL games last year to being named in the SANFL reserves for Round 1 despite being an AFL emergency the same week and everyone acts like its world war 3. We move Ben Newton for "better opportunities" and everyone acts like its world war 3. But of course, the Crows have the interests of the SANFL at heart

[on the rails]

Don't get me started on the Aaron Young saga FFS!

At least when he was at North he played well enough to be selected into the Power! How many AFL games has he played AFL since his move???

[beenreal]

Adelaide have been significantly more persistent and vocal about their demand for a reserves team than Port has.

Yes agreed BUT

As we have all pointed out: Port want to move their AFL players to the Magpies. They have already put aside the spirit of the one club bullshit you fed the SANFL and started moving players in any case. The PAFC want to retain their current Magpie list as well as top that up with the AFL players. The PAFC will call it an AFL Reserves side however it will be playing in the SANFL League Comp which satisfies the PAFC AFL needs of having them all play in one side but it also strengthens the PAFC SANFL Magpies significantly and would continue to do so if it retains the current model (SANFL League, SANFL Reserves, U18's, U16's and the SA development zone). I also understand that the PAFC want the same SANFL Salary Cap as the other exitsing 8 clubs?

The Crows cannot have that model nor can it be created so if the Port "wants" re this whole issue are not selfish, arrogant and not trying to play fairly for all concerned then please tell us what it is because clearly we are all wrong and stupid?

Please tell us why that model can't be created, other than they just don't want to? (awaits sound of bursting blood vessel)

By the very nature of their proposal, (League only) the AFC are showing themselves to be predatory on the SANFL.

Port Adelaide wants to maintain their connection to their local community, which as a CLUB they have done for 143 years and are pilloried as the bad guys.

[tipper]

The Power are well within their right to request a move for their players. Its up to the SANFL to authorise this move. If Port Magpies are the only ones that want these players then so be it. Thats an SANFL issue, not a Port one. We are not the only AFL club to have moved players this year. The Crows did it with Mckernan, who has been a constant league player for South since his arrival in this state, for "better opportunities". They did it with Dowdell who played 6 league games, including 3 in succession this year before moving him for "more league opportunities". Noone bats an eyelid.

We move Aaron Young, who went from playing 9 of the last 10 AFL games last year to being named in the SANFL reserves for Round 1 despite being an AFL emergency the same week and everyone acts like its world war 3. We move Ben Newton for "better opportunities" and everyone acts like its world war 3. But of course, the Crows have the interests of the SANFL at heart

the difference is the crows arent moving their players to the same club each time. i thought that was obvious.

it was also round 2, North had the bye round 1. and unlike a possible power or crows reserves side, North picked what they thought was the best side for winning the game, over the perceived development of a single player. seems they were right with a 7 goal win. but a power reserves side wouldnt pick a player that didnt warrant selection, ahead of picking the best possible side to win a game would they?

and Booney, yes times and situations do change, however the "one club" committed to something, and are in the process of completely ignoring said commitment. is it any wonder non port fans dont trust them at all anymore? can you honestly not see the other side of this? if they want to make the magpies their reserves side, they need to put the proposal to the league (which they are in the process of doing) and then abide by any decision the league makes if it doesnt go their way. not attempt to get their way through stealth.

and if the decision does go against them, maybe they need to come up with an alternate solution. either forgo a reserves side all together, or find somewhere else for them to play. the SANFL does not owe the PAFC anything (quite the opposite if the bailouts were actually loans...). if the time has come for them to part ways, so be it, particularly if continued ties are actually detrimental to both parties as it seems to currently be.

[Pseudo]

and Booney, yes times and situations do change, however the "one club" committed to something, and are in the process of completely ignoring said commitment. is it any wonder non port fans dont trust them at all anymore?