Hargraves to Port

[sus]

The problem is not the physical mix, the problem is the personality mix.

Hargs and Waterhouse are mates and spent time together at the Dockers by memory so they might develop a good understanding between each other. Hargs would just take Paul Evans spot who may never play SANFL again due to his knees.
Cupido is an X Factor and may be the sort of player who may not fit in anywhere to tell the truth.

Harg's positives far outweigh his negatives and he'll bring some passion and comradrie to Port and their supporters.

Disagree! Waterhouse, Cupido, and Hargraves are all liabilities at SANFL level. Zero chance of success in the same forward line. Its not their social personaility Im talking about - its their football personalities. Who's mates with who and what understanding they may or may not have is immaterial. None of them have a defensive game, they're poor team players, all have a poor work ethic, all lack real fitness, and all are past their prime. Other clubs will be laughing and rubbing their hands together at this one. If this goes ahead Geniver has absolutely no idea and Port are going backwards fast!

[JK]

The problem is not the physical mix, the problem is the personality mix.

Hargs and Waterhouse are mates and spent time together at the Dockers by memory so they might develop a good understanding between each other. Hargs would just take Paul Evans spot who may never play SANFL again due to his knees.
Cupido is an X Factor and may be the sort of player who may not fit in anywhere to tell the truth.

Harg's positives far outweigh his negatives and he'll bring some passion and comradrie to Port and their supporters.

Disagree! Waterhouse, Cupido, and Hargraves are all liabilities at SANFL level. Zero chance of success in the same forward line. Its not their social personaility Im talking about - its their football personalities. Who's mates with who and what understanding they may or may not have is immaterial. None of them have a defensive game, they're poor team players, all have a poor work ethic, all lack real fitness, and all are past their prime. Other clubs will be laughing and rubbing their hands together at this one. If this goes ahead Geniver has absolutely no idea and Port are going backwards fast!

I can see what you're saying Sus and don't disagree with you, but the other side would suggest that any opposition would require 3 top shelf defenders to shut them all down, and if even just 1 of them were to fire, the odds would greatly favour a Magpie victory ... I think the downside to it for PAMFC would be their condition throughout the year, ie, what would their legs be like come September and October?

Port have always been exceptional at producing their own talents, I wouldn't have thought a Port model for continual success would rely heavily on too many recruits.

[BPBRB]

With all due respect to Hargs (and he is a mate) he can only play at FF. His overhead marking power has diminished signifacantly over the last 18 months and there is no way he could play CHF. On the lead and lace out he is still dangerous but age and injury toll on his back/hammies and knees over the past seasons has seen him lose a lot of jumping ability and agility on the ground. Hargs missed 6 games this year and played about 4 or 5 carrying injuries. Hargs only played as much as he did this year in the league for North because first Alleway and then Weatherley suffered long term injuries plus Gill missed a number of games.

How Cupido, Waterhouse and Hargraves would go in the same fowd line will be one of the intriguing things come 2007 if it happens?. All 3 of them would hardly be described as having much of a defensive component to their individual (or the team) game plan. I'll take Gill, Alleway and Weatherley (plus one or two others about to be announced by North) ahead of Hargs, Cupido and Waterhouse if given a choice despite friendship loyalties etc.

[am Bays]

On the lead and lace out he is still dangerous but age and injury toll on his back/hammies and knees over the past seasons has seen him lose a lot of jumping ability and agility on the ground. Hargs missed 6 games this year and played about 4 or 5 carrying injuries. Hargs only played as much as he did this year in the league for North because first Alleway and then Weatherley suffered long term injuries plus Gill missed a number of games.

If anyone doubts what has been written here go look at some of Wedgies photo's of Hargraves kicking style and the collapsed support leg and reduced range of motion of the kicking leg about the knee, thereby reducing the power of the kick. This is due to tightening of teh hammies, in short a hamstring strain waiting to happen.

Congratulations Port you've recruited a hamstring strain prone player, time will tell but I reckon port may have recruited a once great player, who may turn out to be a dud in black and white.

[Macca19]

A Clive/Hargs/Cupido forward line is an interesting thought. Not sure what I think of it at this stage. As I said in a different thread, we will either belt teams next year or get belted ourselves. I can see a very frustrating year ahead for us if those two rumours come through.

We generally lack KPP depth at the moment. Thought we have some promising looking kids in the reserves, they are still 17-18 and probably need some more development. Three guys in particular in Taylor, Hall and Caterall look decent prospects but are a bit off yet. This is why the last few years weve gone after some talls as if we get a few injuries in the tall department we almost literally have noone to cover it.

If we get those two it means Morrison (if hes still there) can play in defence full time to cover the loss of Baird.

[Jimmy]

with those 3 down there, its certainly going to be interesting how it turns out...the potential for both upsides and downsides is huge. If clive can play in a FP, Hargs at FF and cupidoll on a flank, i think that would work ok depending on fitness and how well they work together. Certainly has the potential for many 6 pointers

[mal]

If NA +SA didnt have to worry about salary caps
would Hargreaves + Cupido still be at thier respective clubs ?

The 3 gun forwards would be a liabilty, Waterhouse often burnt in the first
halfs of games this year before fitness + or injuries caught up with him.
With all due respect to the wonderful talents of Hargy + Cuipido, thier
aerobic capacity and endurance is suspect at best.
The combination might be effective early in the season, but later in the
season, particularly near finals they could be liabilities.

In any case the 3 will rarely be on the park at the one time as they will
miss games through the inevitable injuries.

[Wedgie]

If NA +SA didnt have to worry about salary caps
would Hargreaves + Cupido still be at thier respective clubs ?

Dunno about Cupido but Hargraves getting cut had absolutely nothing to do with the salary cap.

[Aerie]

Still no official mention of Hargraves going to Port? Would have thought it would have got a run in the article with Cupido, considering they quote Matthew Richardson and say Port are after him to strengthen their forward line and confirm Baird's departure.

[Wedgie]

Still no official mention of Hargraves going to Port? Would have thought it would have got a run in the article with Cupido, considering they quote Matthew Richardson and say Port are after him to strengthen their forward line and confirm Baird's departure.

There's quite a few signings at most clubs that have been that haven't been announced yet.
Some might have a couple of minor issues before the official signing on the line too and transfer fees, etc to work out.

[Aerie]

Still no official mention of Hargraves going to Port? Would have thought it would have got a run in the article with Cupido, considering they quote Matthew Richardson and say Port are after him to strengthen their forward line and confirm Baird's departure.

There's quite a few signings at most clubs that have been that haven't been announced yet.
Some might have a couple of minor issues before the official signing on the line too and transfer fees, etc to work out.

So it's definitely a done deal then. I would have thought this would have been fairly big news as far as SANFL tranfers go and would have at least got a passing mention in an article. Perhaps they're saving it for an article in a few weeks time...

[Wedgie]

So it's definitely a done deal then. I would have thought this would have been fairly big news as far as SANFL tranfers go and would have at least got a passing mention in an article. Perhaps they're saving it for an article in a few weeks time...

Nah, you misunderstand me, it hasn't been announced by the clubs officially yet hence why there's nothing in the papers.
More times than not you'll get the news 2 weeks earlier hear than the clubs announcements and 3 weeks earlier than the papers.

[dash61]

Strong mail today the hargie deal is signed for 2 years at 25K, the cupido deal is not set in concrete yet and may Morrison be going walkies and saying good bye

[bayman]

Strong mail today the hargie deal is signed for 2 years at 25K, the cupido deal is not set in concrete yet and may Morrison be going walkies and saying good bye

would morrison then move to play in the same team as his mate ? (the mouse ?)

[sydney-dog]

Clive/Hargs/Cupido

looks like their is now three of them for "rock, bomb and scissors" to see who will chase

Port is spending some $$$

[BPBRB]

Strong mail today the hargie deal is signed for 2 years at 25K, the cupido deal is not set in concrete yet and may Morrison be going walkies and saying good bye

I also got told from a "very reliable" source that Morrison has departed. Port might to have a good look at who and how they recruit. Clearly the big fat cheque book approach isn't working? Gone from this year is Alvey, Bullen, Baird and now Morrison. Fair bit of salary cap space freed up there (assuming they were under it in the first place! ).

[Brad]

Strong mail today the hargie deal is signed for 2 years at 25K, the cupido deal is not set in concrete yet and may Morrison be going walkies and saying good bye

I also got told from a "very reliable" source that Morrison has departed. Port might to have a good look at who and how they recruit. Clearly the big fat cheque book approach isn't working? Gone from this year is Alvey, Bullen, Baird and now Morrison. Fair bit of salary cap space freed up there (assuming they were under it in the first place! ).

A source from Port said Morrison wasn't interested in playing football and didn't take it seriously so im not surprised hes gone.

[Barto]

Lovely? You mean, incredibly attractive AND lovely..

Yeah, she's not a bad sort!;)

His ex isn't a bad sort either. But I wouldn't know anything about that.

[Barto]

Hargreaves to Port, confirmed:

http://www.portmagpies.com.au/news.php?news_id=121

[CENTURION]

3/4 time at Alberton is not "lemons" anymore, it's "1/4 pounders"!