Cupido wanted more money....go figure

[am Bays]

Bottom line our # of flags, GFs, finals appearances and spoons are both in the +ves towards us.

I might be mistaken but I thought South had won 11 premierships and Glenelg had only won 4?

IMHO the Bays aren't a pimple on South's backside as far as history goes and if you dont want to look at history then South were still in front of the Bays in 2006.

Well Wedge Man hard for us to win premierships when we aren't in the cpmpetition, so I'll do all my comparisons agaisnt teams from 1921 onwards, in the same way the spoons that South won before 1921 haven't been counted when you look at the spoon tally 18 v 21

Everyother club matches us and beats us from 1921 onwards except one, don't have to be Einstein to work out who that club is.....

So are we better than the Eagles since they have won 2 and we have won four??

[Wedgie]

Bottom line our # of flags, GFs, finals appearances and spoons are both in the +ves towards us.

I might be mistaken but I thought South had won 11 premierships and Glenelg had only won 4?

IMHO the Bays aren't a pimple on South's backside as far as history goes and if you dont want to look at history then South were still in front of the Bays in 2006.

Well Wedge Man hard for us to win premierships when we aren't in the cpmpetition, so I'll do all my comparisons agaisnt teams from 1921 onwards, in the same way the spoons that South won before 1921 haven't been counted when you look at the spoon tally 18 v 21

Everyother club matches us and beats us from 1921 onwards except one, don't have to be Einstein to work out who that club is.....

So are we better than the Eagles since they have won 2 and we have won four??

Yeah but mate, I don't see why South's premierships should be magically eliminated because the Bays didn't get their act together earlier.
You basically have 2 choices, look at the entire history of the SA Footy comp or look at the most recent result between the clubs.
South supporters could argue it was more a "true" competition when they one their majority.
And yes you are better than the Eagles.
My list of respect is thus:

Port
Norwood
North
Sturt
South
West
Central
Glenelg
Eagles

[Aerie]

So are we better than the Eagles since they have won 2 and we have won four??

The Eagles have won 6. 4 as West Torrens and 2 as Woodville-West Torrens.

Glenelg are better than South Park, Kensington, Adelaide, Adelaide-Kensington, Royal Park, Woodville, Hotham and Medindie.

[Wedgie]

So are we better than the Eagles since they have won 2 and we have won four??

The Eagles have won 6. 4 as West Torrens and 2 as Woodville-West Torrens.

Glenelg are better than South Park, Kensington, Adelaide, Adelaide-Kensington, Royal Park, Woodville, Hotham and Medindie.

Spot on.

This discussion needs to be continued in the history forum as a bit of relevence to Cupido and his pay packet has been lost I feel.

[dash61]

Salary Cap (South Adelaide)

We all question the CAP, but apart from Prendegast, Bennett, Parry who would be the big salary earners down there, Kenna would be after more now, Archard come over as an unknown but really who are the big money earners down there now that Cupido has been minced. i think if we are going down that wrong path as there a few clubs with bigger pay roles

Correct Weight, back on task fella's

[Dutchy]

Yeah but mate, I don't see why South's premierships should be magically eliminated because the Bays didn't get their act together earlier.
You basically have 2 choices, look at the entire history of the SA Footy comp or look at the most recent result between the clubs.

with that theory you would compare the records of a 9yo horse (Fields of Omagh) against say a 3yo (Miss Finland) not taking into consideration the years of racing MF has ahead of her

[dash61]

Fields Of Omagh wasnt mentioned in the stewards report 5 times either and didnt have some dumb kiwi on his back unlike miss world

[Wedgie]

Yeah but mate, I don't see why South's premierships should be magically eliminated because the Bays didn't get their act together earlier.
You basically have 2 choices, look at the entire history of the SA Footy comp or look at the most recent result between the clubs.

with that theory you would compare the records of a 9yo horse (Fields of Omagh) against say a 3yo (Miss Finland) not taking into consideration the years of racing MF has ahead of her

Actually other way around Dutchy but nice try despite the stupid analogy, and footy clubs dont stop playing after 9 years unlike race horses.
But to categorise your analogy to South and Glenelg if Fields of Omagh beat Miss Finland in 100 years time and had won 7 more Cox Plates than Miss Finland then yes I'd definately rate FOO above Miss Finland, common sense I would have thought?
In fact you've got me thinking further and I now rate South even further front of Glenelg after you brought that analogy into play.
You've actually done your cause more harm than good with that one! lol

[am Bays]

Yeah but mate, I don't see why South's premierships should be magically eliminated because the Bays didn't get their act together earlier.
You basically have 2 choices, look at the entire history of the SA Footy comp or look at the most recent result between the clubs.
South supporters could argue it was more a "true" competition when they one their majority.
And yes you are better than the Eagles.
My list of respect is thus:

Port
Norwood
North
Sturt
South
West
Central
Glenelg
Eagles

By all means keep Souths flags 11 flags when to compare them against North and Port, 10 since 1878.....

Common practise when evaluating history and looking for reasons for "why is it so" to factor in conditions and facts when evaluating performance.....

A bit like saying England is more powerfull than the US in a world power sense given that since 1066 they have been winning wars but the US has won fewer but who is arguably the worlds super power???

but as you said back to the topic at hand my concerns is $50 K for a one year breach of the cap (3 x's as much as any other fine handed down by the SANFL for similar offences), announced two days before announcing an amnesty for all other clubs if they put up their hand for 2006 breaches, and now dumping their highest profile recruit despite a $35 K increase in the cap for next year???

A birdy tells me over here in Victoria that Cupidolls isn't the only cotract South want to adjust

If my club is playing by the rules and it misses out on the finals when it come be demonstrated that some of the clubs above us are paying above the odds surely a part of me has a right to feel aggrieved???

Having made that last statement 90% of me feels that it was our own fault that we missed out but 10% is pissed off that it doesn't take to much to see that we've apparently played by the rules and some may not have....

[TimmiesChin]

Yeah but mate, I don't see why South's premierships should be magically eliminated because the Bays didn't get their act together earlier.
You basically have 2 choices, look at the entire history of the SA Footy comp or look at the most recent result between the clubs.

with that theory you would compare the records of a 9yo horse (Fields of Omagh) against say a 3yo (Miss Finland) not taking into consideration the years of racing MF has ahead of her

No you wouldn't. Unlike a horse there is no reason why South Adelaide would stop operating before Glenelg.

For every year Glenelg has ahead of her - South also has a year ahead.

[Dutchy]

Yeah but mate, I don't see why South's premierships should be magically eliminated because the Bays didn't get their act together earlier.
You basically have 2 choices, look at the entire history of the SA Footy comp or look at the most recent result between the clubs.

with that theory you would compare the records of a 9yo horse (Fields of Omagh) against say a 3yo (Miss Finland) not taking into consideration the years of racing MF has ahead of her

No you wouldn't. Unlike a horse there is no reason why South Adelaide would stop operating before Glenelg.

For every year Glenelg has ahead of her - South also has a year ahead.

FFS you can only compare club v club from the time they entered the comp surely?

[Dutchy]

Yeah but mate, I don't see why South's premierships should be magically eliminated because the Bays didn't get their act together earlier.
You basically have 2 choices, look at the entire history of the SA Footy comp or look at the most recent result between the clubs.

with that theory you would compare the records of a 9yo horse (Fields of Omagh) against say a 3yo (Miss Finland) not taking into consideration the years of racing MF has ahead of her

Actually other way around Dutchy but nice try despite the stupid analogy, and footy clubs dont stop playing after 9 years unlike race horses.
But to categorise your analogy to South and Glenelg if Fields of Omagh beat Miss Finland in 100 years time and had won 7 more Cox Plates than Miss Finland then yes I'd definately rate FOO above Miss Finland, common sense I would have thought?
In fact you've got me thinking further and I now rate South even further front of Glenelg after you brought that analogy into play.
You've actually done your cause more harm than good with that one! lol

correct, glad you agree with me

[Spiritof64]

Yeah but mate, .............. I

By all means keep Souths flags 11 flags when to compare them against North and Port, 10 since 1878..... (Wasn't compared to North n Port. YOU compared the Bays record to Souths).

Common practise when evaluating history (is to rewrite it?) and looking for reasons for "why is it so" to factor in conditions and facts when evaluating performance.....

A bit like saying England is more powerfull than the US in a world power sense given that since 1066 they have been winning wars but the US has won fewer but who is arguably the worlds super power???

but as you said back to the topic at hand my concerns is $50 K for a one year breach of the cap (3 x's as much as any other fine handed down by the SANFL for similar offences), announced two days before announcing an amnesty for all other clubs if they put up their hand for 2006 breaches, and now dumping their highest profile recruit despite a $35 K increase in the cap for next year???

A birdy tells me over here in Victoria [i](stop pissing in our river)[i] that Cupidolls isn't the only cotract South want to adjust

If my club is playing by the rules and it misses out on the finals when it come be demonstrated that some of the clubs above us are paying above the odds surely a part of me has a right to feel aggrieved???

Having made that last statement 90% of me feels that it was our own fault that we missed out but 10% is pissed off that it doesn't take to much to see that we've apparently played by the rules and some may not have....

What are you? A lawyer? Take a breath.

[mighty_tiger_79]

he did take a breath, they are called paragraphs

[The Whisper]

Cupido will have more important things to worry about, such as which club he will be heading to in SA. One club is going like a dog with a bone at him, another is looking to right some wrongs in their initial negotiations with him in 2006.

[BPBRB]

Cupido will have more important things to worry about, such as which club he will be heading to in SA. One club is going like a dog with a bone at him, another is looking to right some wrongs in their initial negotiations with him in 2006.

Centrals and West hey? Will West miss out because of a bigger bidder again this time round? I hear he wants at least the same money he was on at South. He would want to perform better for it this time around and not actually gain weight during the season - most player tend to do that during the off season!

[mal]

Cupido will have more important things to worry about, such as which club he will be heading to in SA. One club is going like a dog with a bone at him, another is looking to right some wrongs in their initial negotiations with him in 2006.

Centrals and West hey? Will West miss out because of a bigger bidder again this time round? I hear he wants at least the same money he was on at South. He would want to perform better for it this time around and not actually gain weight during the season - most player tend to do that during the off season!

Certainly cant call him 'gutless'

[BPBRB]

Cupido will have more important things to worry about, such as which club he will be heading to in SA. One club is going like a dog with a bone at him, another is looking to right some wrongs in their initial negotiations with him in 2006.

Centrals and West hey? Will West miss out because of a bigger bidder again this time round? I hear he wants at least the same money he was on at South. He would want to perform better for it this time around and not actually gain weight during the season - most player tend to do that during the off season!

Certainly cant call him 'gutless'

Maybe be he got confused at South when other people yelled out "Pyman"? He thought it was "Pieman" they were calling and answered everytime!

[Coorong]

Believe me when I say I have heard nothing on this subject other than what has been said on here. However, if I were involved I would offer him an incentive based contract, with strict team rules applied. The clause would have a "three strikes your out" clause that would cost us NO money.

Whoever signes him will wear some flack from supporters of all teams, but maybe only until the season begins. If he is as good as I think, the right playing group and team management will see him a very valuable team player

[BPBRB]

Believe me when I say I have heard nothing on this subject other than what has been said on here. However, if I were involved I would offer him an incentive based contract, with strict team rules applied. The clause would have a "three strikes your out" clause that would cost us NO money.

Whoever signes him will wear some flack from supporters of all teams, but maybe only until the season begins. If he is as good as I think, the right playing group and team management will see him a very valuable team player

I think that would be spot GS when it comes to the type of contract he should be on. A number of higher profile players are now on those as a standard - especially those with "issues" over the years.