South Break the Cap for 2nd year running

[Rushby Hinds]

If its their second breach in two years then the 13k fine is way too light - admitting the breach or not.

FFS!

It's not a 13K fine for breaching the 2006 cap! It's a 13k LATE PAYMENT to a player for the 2005 Season. The SNAFL audits for 2006 probably even haven't started.

...... admitting the breach or not.

It's more a case of "Barleys on that 13k. You got us for that already so you can't count it for 2006 (please)"

At the AGM Ben Kavanagh was quite strong in his reply to a members question that we have not breached the cap for 2006.

Hooray for Spirit of 64 being a true believer.

Mate, your team has been caught cheating.

[topsywaldron]

A blueprint for other clubs and supporters which none have had the passion to follow yet.

If there was a 'rolls eyes while banging head into brick wall' emoticon it would have gone here.

[Spiritof64]

If its their second breach in two years then the 13k fine is way too light - admitting the breach or not.

FFS!

It's not a 13K fine for breaching the 2006 cap! It's a 13k LATE PAYMENT to a player for the 2005 Season. The SNAFL audits for 2006 probably even haven't started.

...... admitting the breach or not.

It's more a case of "Barleys on that 13k. You got us for that already so you can't count it for 2006 (please)"

At the AGM Ben Kavanagh was quite strong in his reply to a members question that we have not breached the cap for 2006.

Hooray for Spirit of 64 being a true believer.

Mate, your team has been caught cheating.

That was twelve months ago Borat. It's a bit hard to avoid that, it's a fact. At this stage there is less evidence (ie NONE) that we exceeded the cap in 2006 than any of the other clubs (Also NONE -yet). The club is going out of it's way to be completely open about it's payments for 2006.

[Rushby Hinds]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20930741-21543,00.html

South busts salary cap
December 15, 2006 12:15am


SOUTH ADELAIDE has again admitted busting the SANFL salary cap . . . but the breach is linked to the Panthers much-publicised player payment problems in 2005.

South blew the SANFL salary cap by an undisclosed sum in 2005 but because part of the payment was delivered to at least one player after the financial year cut-off on October 31 the amount had to be included in the 2006 figures, South general manager Ben Kavangh said.
The league is bound to fine South an amount equal to the over-payment under the new and stronger salary cap rules.

Kavanagh and SANFL chief executive Leigh Whicker would not release details of the fine yesterday or the amount of the breach which is believed to be about $13,000.

The Panthers were fined a record $50,000 in July for a deliberate breach in its 2005 player payments which lead to a complete overhaul of the SANFL salary cap provisions.

South then admitted it had hidden the true amount of payments given to at least one player, who has since left the club.

Yesterday Kavanagh strongly rejected rumours the latest breach had anything to do with offering Damien Cupido a reduced contract or in luring new recruits. Cupido is seeking a clearance.

"There's absolutely no relationship with Damien leaving the club. Absolutely none," Kavanagh said. "It's totally to do with the 2005 payments and he wasn't even here then."

Kavanagh said he contacted the league immediately after discovering the technical breach during the annual salary cap audit, something Whicker confirmed.

"It (breach) is not a major amount but it's an additional (to 2005) amount that has been discovered," he said. "There certainly was not an attempt to hide it. They quite openly put their hand up about it.

"We've confirmed that there was an additional amount of money discovered (by South) after it signed off (in 2005)."

The current South board, installed in December, inherited the breach. Kavanagh said the board has signalled that over-payments were a thing of the past.

"This happened between management changes," he said. "We've actually show a lot of strength in our actions to say it's not going to be tolerated and we're moving on with confidence."

South has declared a combined operating profit of $76,022 – down from $260,756 in 2005 – between the football club and its social arm.

[Spiritof64]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,20930741-21543,00.html

South busts salary cap
December 15, 2006 12:15am


SOUTH ADELAIDE has again admitted busting the SANFL salary cap . . . but the breach is linked to the Panthers much-publicised player payment problems in 2005.

South blew the SANFL salary cap by an undisclosed sum in 2005 but because part of the payment was delivered to at least one player after the financial year cut-off on October 31 the amount had to be included in the 2006 figures, South general manager Ben Kavangh said.
The league is bound to fine South an amount equal to the over-payment under the new and stronger salary cap rules.

Kavanagh and SANFL chief executive Leigh Whicker would not release details of the fine yesterday or the amount of the breach which is believed to be about $13,000.

The Panthers were fined a record $50,000 in July for a deliberate breach in its 2005 player payments which lead to a complete overhaul of the SANFL salary cap provisions.

South then admitted it had hidden the true amount of payments given to at least one player, who has since left the club.

Yesterday Kavanagh strongly rejected rumours the latest breach had anything to do with offering Damien Cupido a reduced contract or in luring new recruits. Cupido is seeking a clearance.

"There's absolutely no relationship with Damien leaving the club. Absolutely none," Kavanagh said. "It's totally to do with the 2005 payments and he wasn't even here then."

Kavanagh said he contacted the league immediately after discovering the technical breach during the annual salary cap audit, something Whicker confirmed.

"It (breach) is not a major amount but it's an additional (to 2005) amount that has been discovered," he said. "There certainly was not an attempt to hide it. They quite openly put their hand up about it.

"We've confirmed that there was an additional amount of money discovered (by South) after it signed off (in 2005)."


The current South board, installed in December, inherited the breach. Kavanagh said the board has signalled that over-payments were a thing of the past.

"This happened between management changes," he said. "We've actually show a lot of strength in our actions to say it's not going to be tolerated and we're moving on with confidence."

South has declared a combined operating profit of $76,022 – down from $260,756 in 2005 – between the football club and its social arm.

Exactly. The the fine is for bad book keeping in the 2005 season and not for actually paying players too much in the 2006 season.
Thanks for the assist

[Wedgie]

The fine is because they were over the salary cap for the 2006 contractual year after already being caught for the 2005 contractual year.
Caught of cheating for 2005 and caught of cheating for 2006.
Its not a bookkeeping error , everyone involved would have known when the year started and finished. (noone could be that incompetent, not even at South)
Pure and simple.

[sturt1]

If north signs hart and francou then they will beat south. I am sure of it.

[mighty_tiger_79]

If its their second breach in two years then the 13k fine is way too light - admitting the breach or not.

FFS!

It's not a 13K fine for breaching the 2006 cap! It's a 13k LATE PAYMENT to a player for the 2005 Season. The SNAFL audits for 2006 probably even haven't started.

...... admitting the breach or not.

It's more a case of "Barleys on that 13k. You got us for that already so you can't count it for 2006 (please)"

At the AGM Ben Kavanagh was quite strong in his reply to a members question that we have not breached the cap for 2006.

well SOUTH may not have breached it yet but they will.

[Wedgie]

If north signs hart and francou then they will beat south. I am sure of it.

Francou's not playing so Im glad that youre sure of it being a non issue.

[Rushby Hinds]

Sort of funny, where did South finish in 2005?

What a massive waste of pokie's players $$...

[Squawk]

Can anyone attempt to explain why the league will not disclose the size of the breach?

Also, under the new rules are premiership points deductible?

This will be topical because even if the 'second' breach relates to the same year, it is arguably a further offence. I suppose South would argue its part of the first breach but if they get fined under the NEW rules, (as the Advertiser suggests), then it has to be considered a further (and second) offence because the first offence was punished under the OLD rules.

Finally, if the club picked it up, what were the auditors doing to earn their keep - then and now?

Interesting times.

No one has got an answer for this yet - including myself! Even if the overpayment in 2006 was due to 2005 deals, it is still a second breach and therefore one assumes the penalty should be greater. It's like someone charged with robbery of a servo who, while fleeing that robbery, snatches a handbag, ipod and mobile phone from a passer-by. The two incidents form what is known as a 'course of conduct' and are separately punishable. Another example is someone who claims two dole payments they are not eligible for, over two separate fortnights. Result = two charges of fraud.

Having 'confidentiality clauses' suggests that transparency is not desired by the league. Maybe they worry that it will affect $$$ for game development from the AFL?

[redden whites]

HANG EM

[phantompanther]

why are north supporters unable to at least admit the possibility that they might be over the salary cap. i was talking to a glenelg hmmmmmm lets say a glenelg person who openly admitted he was telling the club they are duds for not going over it for every club that made the finals was over it. now that is not an excuse for our misdemeanour but an example of the climate we are in

[BPBRB]

why are north supporters unable to at least admit the possibility that they might be over the salary cap. i was talking to a glenelg hmmmmmm lets say a glenelg person who openly admitted he was telling the club they are duds for not going over it for every club that made the finals was over it. now that is not an excuse for our misdemeanour but an example of the climate we are in

Why are you just highlighting North at the start of your post then follow that with some generalisation statement made by a Glenelg person about "other" clubs???. Are you that anti North - What about mentioning Port, Centrals, the Eagles??? Pathetic attempt phantom and indicative of the inferiority "loser" mentatility at South.

How would someone from another club know if any other club was under or over? It's just guess work based on recruits to a club, alleged salaries paid to them etc but at the end of the day based on facts it's only South that have been caught in recent years, not once but twice.

I think your club should concentrate on trying to cheat a little better but I do admire your attempt at "deflective" tatics to ease the guilt you South people must be feeling.

[blueandwhite]

Yes Bprpbpbrp,

phantom did mention that in his opinion all the teams that made the finals were all more than likely to be exceeding the salary cap. I think that is a fairly reasonable assumption to make. What is your honest opinion on that?

[phantompanther]

the guilt overwhelmes me comrade. my discussion with the glenelg person was pretty concrete and i quite like watching north play so no probs there. they are quite fortunate that the fellow dealing out the fines has a nice little relationship with some err north offical's but that's all good. however i will not prattle unless my loser mentality gets the better of me

[Punk Rooster]

why are north supporters unable to at least admit the possibility that they might be over the salary cap. i was talking to a glenelg hmmmmmm lets say a glenelg person who openly admitted he was telling the club they are duds for not going over it for every club that made the finals was over it. now that is not an excuse for our misdemeanour but an example of the climate we are in

So making the finals is an automatic finding of guilt for breaching the Salary Cap?
On the evidence of a bitter Glenelg supporter?
Bordering on not being worthy of a reply, but I offer this- ever consider the possibility that North are professional enough to manage their list correctly, to it's full worth & maximise their value within the Salary Cap?
Not that any rivals who've been caught would like to think that maybe their club acted in an un-professional manner, much easier to try & drag everyone else down to the gutter with them.

[BPBRB]

Yes Bprpbpbrp,

phantom did mention that in his opinion all the teams that made the finals were all more than likely to be exceeding the salary cap. I think that is a fairly reasonable assumption to make. What is your honest opinion on that?

I know what his point was but why did he start his post with just singling out North if it was a generalisation crack at all finalists??? Why is it that all finalists would be over based on the opinion of a Glenelg person - assuming he was referring to an official yet he didn't have the guts to use that word so we have to guess that bit of his post?

[blueandwhite]

bp ,
after phantoms post I asked you a question: Is it reasonable to consider the fact that all the participants in the 2006 finals series were exceeding the salary cap?
I asked you for an honest answer.
So far you have done a John Howard and skirted around the issue without giving a direct reply. I would have thought that someone who illustrates such passion for his beloved roosters as you do would have jumped out of his chair to defend the very thought that his charges even contemplated breaking the rules.

[mighty_tiger_79]

north supporters are politicians!!!!!!!!