SENSATION AT PARADE

[davesa]

I spoke with the NFC team mamager after the game at presentations as from Coopers Hill it was clearly something had happened. In addition to my previous post he made 2 points clear. 1) The instruction from the senior coach to the runner and football manager at ground level were that the NAFC players were not to be allowed back on the ground and 2) Both he and the football manager (Mason) were very uncomfortable with carry out those instructions.

Obviously given the media attention NFC seem to be in damage control which is understandable coz they are starting to look pretty stupid.

[topsywaldron]

Bench ruling spot on
DOUG ROBERTSON
May 07, 2007 11:30pm

SANFL stewards handled North Adelaide's interchange debacle at Norwood Oval on Friday completely according to the rules, league football operations manager Glen Rosser said.

The SANFL will take no futher action over the mix-up which left two North players unable to play after being named in the starting 18 but sitting on the bench when the game began.

Midfielder Tim Martin and ruckman Brett O'Hara, seated on the bench when the match started, were immediately prevented from taking part in the match by the league steward because they were not identified as "interchange players" on the official team sheet.

North appealed to Norwood's general manager Jamie Mason to allow a correction as the first quarter unfolded. However, club officials have no authority in the matter which is administered exclusively by the league steward, Rosser said.

Rosser, who was seated in the Norwood Oval western stand on Friday as the drama unfolded and umpires manager Shane Harris investigated the steward's match report yesterday and found everything was carried out according to the rules.

"We're confident (the steward) operated in a legal manner so no further action needs to be taken," Rosser said.

"In this case, North paid an immediate penalty by not having those two players (taking part in the game)."

North beat Norwood by 15 points in a high-quality match which brought praise for the players from Roosters football manager James Moore.

"To win with 19 players and having only one ruckman and restricted midfield options makes it one of the best wins we've had," he said. "A few of the players were saying the same after the game."




I look forward to Drebin's apology and a retraction of the libellous statement he made about NFC employees.

[HeartBeatsTrue]

So BPBRB, Wedgie and Co, you gonna call Glen Rosser and Doug Robertson liars too?

Seeing that case now closed, you can go back to the "Skipworth" thread and continue your attacks and let off some steam there.

[mal]

Mal I've been called many obscenities in my career but never has anyone stooped so low as to suggest that I'm a Redleg fan. Quite the opposite and in fact apart from Glenelg, they are my most despised side.

Just trying to piece the jigsaw file

[goraw]

So BPBRB, Wedgie and Co, you gonna call Glen Rosser and Doug Robertson liars too?

Seeing that case now closed, you can go back to the "Skipworth" thread and continue your attacks and let off some steam there.

no need to vent steam,the point to all this is ,is that we only needed 19 players to beat norwood

[JK]

So BPBRB, Wedgie and Co, you gonna call Glen Rosser and Doug Robertson liars too?

Seeing that case now closed, you can go back to the "Skipworth" thread and continue your attacks and let off some steam there.

no need to vent steam,the point to all this is ,is that we only needed 19 players to beat norwood

Winners are grinners mate, remember the last two seasons, it's a long year

[BPBRB]

Bench ruling spot on
DOUG ROBERTSON
May 07, 2007 11:30pm

SANFL stewards handled North Adelaide's interchange debacle at Norwood Oval on Friday completely according to the rules, league football operations manager Glen Rosser said.

The SANFL will take no futher action over the mix-up which left two North players unable to play after being named in the starting 18 but sitting on the bench when the game began.

Midfielder Tim Martin and ruckman Brett O'Hara, seated on the bench when the match started, were immediately prevented from taking part in the match by the league steward because they were not identified as "interchange players" on the official team sheet.

North appealed to Norwood's general manager Jamie Mason to allow a correction as the first quarter unfolded. However, club officials have no authority in the matter which is administered exclusively by the league steward, Rosser said.

Rosser, who was seated in the Norwood Oval western stand on Friday as the drama unfolded and umpires manager Shane Harris investigated the steward's match report yesterday and found everything was carried out according to the rules.

"We're confident (the steward) operated in a legal manner so no further action needs to be taken," Rosser said.

"In this case, North paid an immediate penalty by not having those two players (taking part in the game)."

North beat Norwood by 15 points in a high-quality match which brought praise for the players from Roosters football manager James Moore.

"To win with 19 players and having only one ruckman and restricted midfield options makes it one of the best wins we've had," he said. "A few of the players were saying the same after the game."




I look forward to Drebin's apology and a retraction of the libellous statement he made about NFC employees.

That article is wrong and why Doug Robertson would omit certain facts has caused much discussion from the North hierachy. Last year Doug was very pro-North but this year someone has turned him into a Rucci type as far as North is concerned.

To put it mildly North are bemused by Norwoods complete lack of integrity as to how the events and the reporting of such have unfolded. You can read the real factual version of what happened on North's website.

Topsy - As for an apology and and a retraction you have to be joking. Who are the liars in all of of this - North and Jar's who have made official statements and comments publically? I am yet to read any official version from Norwood nor actually hear any comment on radio etc from any official of your club - I wonder why? The only thing they have done is send a dodgy factually incorrect fax from your Team Manager to 5AA after Jars explanation last night to try and save some face.

You know where you can stick your apology.

P.S. Care to comment on the earlier post by Davesa - is he lying as well?

[topsywaldron]

However, club officials have no authority in the matter which is administered exclusively by the league steward

Surely this is the only point that matters in all of this?

[Grahaml]

Spot on BPBRB. North made absolutely no mistake at all, and it was only the incompetence of Norwood and the absolutely blatant bias against North by any official organisation that is in question here.

Grow up and admit the error was North's. North don't make this stupid and unprofessional mistake, and they play with 21, end of story.

[HeartBeatsTrue]

However, club officials have no authority in the matter which is administered exclusively by the league steward

Surely this is the only point that matters in all of this?

No topsy, Glen Rosser, SANFL football operations manager made this up.

BPBRB, quit while you're behind. Since when does Jars not make a public comment about anything? Why does Norwood need to comment when it was a North blunder, and an SANFL steward made the decision?
I've read davesa's posts, dont think he's a liar, but his 1st post starts with "My understanding is.." and his 2nd post doesnt mention anything about someone from Norwood enforcing the punishment.

[Wedgie]

So BPBRB, Wedgie and Co, you gonna call Glen Rosser and Doug Robertson liars too?

Seeing that case now closed, you can go back to the "Skipworth" thread and continue your attacks and let off some steam there.

Dude, can you even read?
1) Im fully supportive of Norwood's decision, dont get into me, I think it was a fantastic decison.
2) Nothing in the paper despite being very selective contradicts anything already said (and if Im not mistaken there's nothing about it on Norwoods website so we can only assume the only official info that has been provided ie by North is correct), the fact that if Norwood had said yes to the players going onto the field yet it would have been turned down by a SANFL official makes Norwood's decision even more baffling as it would have been a win/win situation if they had said yes as a) the 2 players still wouldn't have been allowed to play and b) Norwood would have looked very sporting and smelt of roses.
The article quite clearly stated that the SANFL make the decision, it didn't say anything about in the confusion of the moment if Norwood were or were not asked if the players could take the field, mind you Dougy Robertson is a Norwood supporter and I think we all know who Glen Rosser played for.
3) Why would a North supporter go into the Skipworth thread when a Norwood and a Glenelg supporter are going at it hammer and tong in there?
Why don't you join Topsy and Dutchy in there mate?

You seem very angry my friend, dont misplace your anger by blaming others that agree with you.
Perhaps put a bit of that anger or emotion into getting your club up near the top of the ladder again both on and off the field like all good supporters do.
And also be happy that you played a part in history in probably being the only club in the SANFL to ever lose despite being favourites, on your home ground and having 2 more players, I cant honestly remember that happening before, truly something you should be proud of!

[JK]

So BPBRB, Wedgie and Co, you gonna call Glen Rosser and Doug Robertson liars too?

Seeing that case now closed, you can go back to the "Skipworth" thread and continue your attacks and let off some steam there.

Dude, can you even read?
1) Im fully supportive of Norwood's decision, dont get into me, I think it was a fantastic decison.
2) Nothing in the paper despite being very selective contradicts anything already said (and if Im not mistaken there's nothing about it on Norwoods website so we can only assume the only official info that has been provided ie by North is correct), the fact that if Norwood had said yes to the players going onto the field yet it would have been turned down by a SANFL official makes Norwood's decision even more baffling as it would have been a win/win situation if they had said yes as a) the 2 players still wouldn't have been allowed to play and b) Norwood would have looked very sporting and smelt of roses.
The article quite clearly stated that the SANFL make the decision, it didn't say anything about in the confusion of the moment if Norwood were or were not asked if the players could take the field, mind you Dougy Robertson is a Norwood supporter and I think we all know who Glen Rosser played for.
3) Why would a North supporter go into the Skipworth thread when a Norwood and a Glenelg supporter are going at it hammer and tong in there?
Why don't you join Topsy and Dutchy in there mate?

You seem very angry my friend, dont misplace your anger by blaming others that agree with you.
Perhaps put a bit of that anger or emotion into getting your club up near the top of the ladder again both on and off the field like all good supporters do.
And also be happy that you played a part in history in probably being the only club in the SANFL to ever lose despite being favourites, on your home ground and having 2 more players, I cant honestly remember that happening before, truly something you should be proud of!

YAWN ... Record players broken again

[Wedgie]

YAWN ... Record players broken again

Mate, I take offence at that and expect better of you, Im just addressing HBTs comments directed at me (I can undersand his anger at BRPRB but I cant see what Ive done wrong when Ive supporter Norwoods decision the whole time), surely I have a right of reply espeically when he makes crazy statements, I would expect your yawn to be directed at him which made no valid points or at least find fault in my comments if you were fair like you usually are.

[JK]

YAWN ... Record players broken again

Mate, I take offence at that and expect better of you, Im just addressing HBTs comments directed at me (I can undersand his anger at BRPRB but I cant see what Ive done wrong when Ive supporter Norwoods decision the whole time), surely I have a right of reply espeically when he makes crazy statements, I would expect your yawn to be directed at him which made no valid points or at least find fault in my comments if you were fair like you usually are.

Well I apologise for not having met your expectations, I guess that makes us even then huh? You continually try to keep your nose clean whilst having a squillion digs at everyone bar your own, yet try to come up smelling like roses everytime ... You can either take that on board or deal with it, simple as that!

[Wedgie]

Well I apologise for not having met your expectations, I guess that makes us even then huh? You continually try to keep your nose clean whilst having a squillion digs at everyone bar your own, yet try to come up smelling like roses everytime ... You can either take that on board or deal with it, simple as that!

Cheers mate, I think your comment about having a squillion digs at everyone bare my own is a bit unfair as Ive been constantly reminded that North supporters don't agree with each other and Ive been very critical of the Coach and various other matters quite openly on here. I also find it ironic as you're one of the only a handful of people on here who said that Norwood made the wrong decision. As stated previously I was very critical at the time of who ever made the stuff up while the game was still on as I had $115 on North, if they'd lost by less than a goal I would have hunted the manager down even though he's a nice bloke who looked after my kids when they were mascots last year.

Lets get back to the topic at hand.

What a fantastic result for North against the odds whilst already underdog going into the game, will it help set up their season with such a gutsy win?
And will it have the opposite impact on Norwood who must be shattered?

[Ronnie]

i'm still not clear on who had the final say here, the SANFL or Norwood. The paper states one thing, only to be contradicted by Drebin. Until that point can be proven the rest is immaterial.

[Dissident]

"North won with two less players" sounds better than it really was.
Almost implies they had two less players on the field - which WOULD be amazing to still win.

Having two less interchange players still means the numbers are even on the field though!

There's just less chance to be able to change them.

[HeartBeatsTrue]

I dont have an issue as to what Norwood did (as I said, huge positive for North and huge negative for Norwood) but I do have an issue if people start making porky pies and dont know who said what:

From nafc.com.au:
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The press have given a brief account of what was quite an extraordinary event, so here are the facts:

Sorry wedgie, I must have just assumed your "porky pies" comment pointed to the fax from an alleged Norwood official. My apologies.
Not angry at all mate. Disappointed that the legs couldnt get up but who wouldnt be? North fan(s) on here are defaming my club who did nothing wrong. Get some proof that Norwood had no say in the matter and still dont get the picture.
I wouldnt have a clue what the exact truth is, but if hypothetically the Norwood coaching staff had the choice to enforce the punishment, and it was a split second decision, how were they to know it was an honest mistake? In fact, how are we to know now it was an honest mistake? Just coz thats what Jars said on the radio, or thats what North put on their website?
You get the team sheet of the opposition and give directives on what to do with which opponent. O'Hara and Martin were not on the field which caused confusion and stuffs up your match-ups, in fact, North got out to a 3 goal lead in as many minutes. Let me tell ya, I'd be pissed off. If the shoe was on the other foot, we will never know despite Jarman saying that he would have allowed the players on. Its all easy in hindsight, Jarman should know that.
As for Norwood being favourites, I got my tip right and I'm sure you did too Wedgie.

[Wedgie]

Sorry wedgie, I must have just assumed.................. My apologies.

No worries mate, apology accepted. Many people on here make false assumptions about me all the time.

And good point about early match ups, very valid point.

[nai]

It's interesting that the rules appear to have some notion of the opposing team having a choice of whether the penalty should be applied, and it seems people expect the team to make the "sporting decision".

Players in the past have been ruled out because they didn't exit the arena through the interchange gate correctly, in fact it happened in the GF a few years back... were the Eagles consulted in this instance ?

The on-field rules certainly don't ask for players/teams to decide whats "fair" or "sporting".

Is putting a coach/manager on the spot as the game is about to start, the same as asking a player if he wants a 50 metre penalty ? dunno. maybe not.

As an aside....I've written to the SANFL numerous times asking for copies of the rules, they've never bothered to reply.... not sure why it's kept such a big secret. Maybe because they make them up as they go along. The "on-field" rules are pretty well known, but the interchange rules, AFL/SANFL transfer laws, salary cap etc....... most of these are pretty unclear, at least in my mind anyway.