central put on notice

[Grahaml]

C'mon Wedgie. I'm sure there are some people around Elizabeth who could find a spot on the wall for a new hubcap.

Perhaps it would be a good idea to petition the league through the clubs to get a better security presence at the grounds, preferably police security. What's bad for one club is bad for the league. And what's bad for the league then hurts the SANFL and our AFL teams. The strength of footy in SA is built on the strength of our competition. I hate the idea of supporters citing bad behaviour as a reason not to go, and it must hurt the brand of the SANFL to the point that corporate sponsorship goes down.

Perhaps another idea would be to put in some sort of restraning barricades in areas where people congregate and drink. Nothing so severe as segregating people, but just enough to spread the crowd about a bit. Coopers Hill had a lot of people in close proximity drinking, people pack it in close behind the goals and I'd be willing to suggest that most of the unsavoury incidents happen in the more open areas at the grounds. I think we're past needing the whole ground to fit people into these days, even at the biggest night games.

Anyway, I still think the best way to avoid trouble is to not incite opposition supporters, and to stand/sit further from the piss, and if you're really worried still I've spent a fair bit of time in the FFAs and not seen any problem there.

[Wedgie]

C'mon Wedgie. I'm sure there are some people around Elizabeth who could find a spot on the wall for a new hubcap.

That's the problem mate, the new car will have mags!
And being a Falcon in that area Im not sure if it will get a good reception!:lol:
(I wont even tell you what colour scheme it will be)

Perhaps it would be a good idea to petition the league through the clubs to get a better security presence at the grounds, preferably police security. What's bad for one club is bad for the league. And what's bad for the league then hurts the SANFL and our AFL teams. The strength of footy in SA is built on the strength of our competition. I hate the idea of supporters citing bad behaviour as a reason not to go, and it must hurt the brand of the SANFL to the point that corporate sponsorship goes down.

Perhaps another idea would be to put in some sort of restraning barricades in areas where people congregate and drink. Nothing so severe as segregating people, but just enough to spread the crowd about a bit. Coopers Hill had a lot of people in close proximity drinking, people pack it in close behind the goals and I'd be willing to suggest that most of the unsavoury incidents happen in the more open areas at the grounds. I think we're past needing the whole ground to fit people into these days, even at the biggest night games.

Anyway, I still think the best way to avoid trouble is to not incite opposition supporters, and to stand/sit further from the piss, and if you're really worried still I've spent a fair bit of time in the FFAs and not seen any problem there.

Good points, Ive seen this happen before on soccer forums when they all start blaming other supporter bases whilst other sports just laugh at the infighting of soccer.
If we're to make serious inroads into other comps and get people away from the AFL back to the best comp in the world we should put the petty indifferences aside. Gets hard at times though as its so tribal.

[Grahaml]

Damn I hate seeing new posts appear between starting a reply and finishing it. Just want to point out in that version of events both parties are to blame. Each just escelated it that little bit and look where it ended up. I don't see how Centrals can be so singled out for blame when obviously it's been a situation inflamed by both parties.

[doggies4eva]

Damn I hate seeing new posts appear between starting a reply and finishing it. Just want to point out in that version of events both parties are to blame. Each just escelated it that little bit and look where it ended up. I don't see how Centrals can be so singled out for blame when obviously it's been a situation inflamed by both parties.

A further thought on this - anyone who goes along with flares or crackers has both premeditated their actions and taken a bit of time and trouble to procure these items. This is not simply a matter of losing ones temper in the heat of the moment. These people neeed to be weeded out and banned.

[Wedgie]

A further thought on this - anyone who goes along with flares or crackers has both premeditated their actions and taken a bit of time and trouble to procure these items. This is not simply a matter of losing ones temper in the heat of the moment. These people neeed to be weeded out and banned.

Good call, agreed fully.

[mick]

I've got some expired flares at home from the boat.......I've been wondering how to dispose of them Seems there could be a bit of a market

[Grahaml]

I don't like flares, and think action should be taken to stop them getting into the ground. However, unless there is a link I think this problem ranks a distant second behind violence. Introduce a massive fine or something and you'd only need to apply it once or twice before people stop doing it I would have thought.

[JK]

I have a solution. Legs fans if you lose and you are bitter about it. Dont ring up 5AA and blame fights evictions on the other set of fans to make yourself feel better. Even if that club is based in Elizabeth this is simply unacceptable behaviour.Im sure it was great the next morning having KG and Cornesy slapping you on the back praising your lies. Made you forget all about the previous nights ass whipping.

Do you see Centrals fan acting this way towards opposition. ???

Ill repeat one incident 7 people evicted in a crowd of 3850. Not even 0.2% of the crowd caused trouble. Security and SANFL are blameless.

Ill repeat security was less than half a metre away when it errupted . Less than 30 seconds later it was over and the 7 people evicted. What more could be done ???

Mate, as much as you dislike Central fans being blamed for this you're happy enough to aportion blame in the other direction ... As I've tried to intimate in my posts, it shouldn't matter who an individual supports if he or she has done the wrong thing we need to stop them from being at the footy, I re-iterate it's not a Legs or Dogs thing, it is a SANFL fan behaviour issue!

And just to set the record straight, there were at least 2 different incidents that I witnessed first hand!

[Grahaml]

And you can't just quote the number of people who got ejected from the game as proof they were the only ones involved. There may have been dozens not caught. There may have been hundreds who would have willingly joined in but weren't in that area at the time. The solution is to stop it somewhere along the line before it gets physical. Whether that solution is banning people, booze, changing times, segregating fans, boosting security, education or something else I don't know and I don't care. It has to be sorted out and whatever solution is the answer I'll abide by it, and I'm sure the club would as well. These incidents do happen between other sets of supporters, these things do get started by opposition fans at dogs games and these things happen at all game times and venues. Blaming one group, one venue, one time slot is just a cop out by the league and irresponsible and gross mesrepresentation by KG and Cornes. All clubs, and especially the SANFL need to sort this out together in conjunction with the police. The sooner everyone stops pointing fingers the better. No wonder Kris and the CDFC get frustrated at being blamed all the time, and no wonder they always come across as saying "it's not our fault".

On a sidenote, if someone got seriously hurt in the crossfire and sought legal advise on who to sue on Friday night, I GUARANTEE the 2 entities first on the hit list would be Norwood and the SANFL, and not the SDFC.

[Dogwatcher]

On a sidenote, if someone got seriously hurt in the crossfire and sought legal advise on who to sue on Friday night, I GUARANTEE the 2 entities first on the hit list would be Norwood and the SANFL, and not the SDFC.

Just cos you say Sentrals, doesn't mean it's spelt that way!

[Grahaml]

Sorry. Must have been watching your avatar at the time.

[Jar Man Out]

I have a solution. Legs fans if you lose and you are bitter about it. Dont ring up 5AA and blame fights evictions on the other set of fans to make yourself feel better. Even if that club is based in Elizabeth this is simply unacceptable behaviour.Im sure it was great the next morning having KG and Cornesy slapping you on the back praising your lies. Made you forget all about the previous nights ass whipping.

Do you see Centrals fan acting this way towards opposition. ???

Ill repeat one incident 7 people evicted in a crowd of 3850. Not even 0.2% of the crowd caused trouble. Security and SANFL are blameless.

Ill repeat security was less than half a metre away when it errupted . Less than 30 seconds later it was over and the 7 people evicted. What more could be done ???

Mate, as much as you dislike Central fans being blamed for this you're happy enough to aportion blame in the other direction ... As I've tried to intimate in my posts, it shouldn't matter who an individual supports if he or she has done the wrong thing we need to stop them from being at the footy, I re-iterate it's not a Legs or Dogs thing, it is a SANFL fan behaviour issue!

And just to set the record straight, there were at least 2 different incidents that I witnessed first hand!

Why dont ya ring up Cornesy and have a cry about it. That will solve everything.

You are missing my point. Fight = Bad already i agree move on. Two incidents 7 kicked out heaven forbid.

What Im more concerned about and do not want to go unpunsihed . Is the hysteria connected to this incident in the media can be squarely blamed at one set off cry baby supporters. Let us just Imagine that the drama queen didnt call up and make his false/ridiculous claims and get dumber and dumber fired up. Would we even be talking about it . ???

Answer : No. Thanks to an individuals chip on his shoulder. A complete set of supporters name has been tarnished. Any of you legs fans know this guy please pass on your disapproval.

[cd]

Personal thoughts - as i think i said last season

Due to issues with volunteers & support staff plus getting players there having Reserves at 4:55 with League at 7:40 and a 10:15 finish makes life difficult.

Why not a school game as the curtainraiser - kids finish school at say 3:15 - get to oval and get ready - lets say U15 with 20 minute no time on quarters start at 5:00 game finishes at latest at 6:50 - Then League at 7:10pm with finish around 9:45/9:50. Not too late for kids and less time for half tanked folk to turn up.

Next day a triple header with U17, U19 and Reserves

Just a thought re programming.

Col D

[topsywaldron]

Why dont ya ring up Cornesy and have a cry about it.

If there's anyone here who needs to do that it's you.

Get over it princess.

[stampy]

SMAC - great post. Well written and very fair.
Facing reality - unlike some people who take a chance to just have another crack at the 'ferals' on these sort of threads.

Disregard Stampy's post mate, I think most of us are trying very hard to try and find an intelligent way of facing the issue/s.

er excuse me, and your publishing a photo of an alleged culprit at the north saturday night game last year was trying very hard and being intelligent? go back and read your own post of not attending elizabeth games in the future before you start telling people to disregard my posts, you are full of it pal honestly

[Wedgie]

SMAC - great post. Well written and very fair.
Facing reality - unlike some people who take a chance to just have another crack at the 'ferals' on these sort of threads.

Disregard Stampy's post mate, I think most of us are trying very hard to try and find an intelligent way of facing the issue/s.

er excuse me, and your publishing a photo of an alleged culprit at the north saturday night game last year was trying very hard and being intelligent? go back and read your own post of not attending elizabeth games in the future before you start telling people to disregard my posts, you are full of it pal honestly

Dude, publishing a pic of 1 person who started a violent incident is a little different to admonishing an entire supporter base.
Mate, you know we don't like personal abuse on this site but at least have the courtesy to read any posts you feel offend you properly before making statement.
Please don't ever liken yourself to me sunshine.

[BPBRB]

There was a "crisis" meeting (as described to me - not my term) at West Lakes today between the SANFL, Police and Weslo Security. I was told to expect to see some tougher Security measures and much less tolerance at all games starting from this week. I won't hold my breath as they have said that before many times and bugger all has been done.

I was told that it was commonly agreed by all at the meeting that 99 percent of crowd problems over many many years are the result of one team always being involved in the matches where the trouble is at. Anyone care to have a stab in the dark as to who that team is!:roll:

I don't think Centrals had anyone present at the meeting but no doubt the general consensus/opinion/fact etc and the mood of the meeting will be conveyed to Kris Grant ASAP.

[MUNGO JERRY]

My personal view on this whole sorry tale is the fact that in regards to the dogs fans pleading they have been hard done by and picked on, they need to remember the sordid past of their so called end to end party.
Yes its true they taunted and terrorized many a supporter through the 70's and 80's and I'm not referring to my personal experiences here but I did have a few.
I remember reading newspaper articles on that group in the 80's and none of it was good.
Sorry guys but 'shit sticks' and call me one eyed or prejudiced but if I hear or read of trouble at any sanfl game involving central, I immediately think of the...dare I say it?? feral throng from behind the goals that caused trouble and looked for it for no apparent reason in the past. Perhaps Mr Cornes is guilty of this too but he is a dick.
I look at the dogs fans these days and its a level playing field between all clubs and have been involved in confrontations at norwood oval at night in the past too.
Lets not forget that it usually takes '2 to tango' and I believe that in last week's game, this was the case. I still laugh at the fact norwood supporters can get violent!

[Pseudo]

I was told to expect to see some tougher Security measures and much less tolerance at all games starting from this week.

Yeah, Weslo staff are being trained to look stern and waggle their fingers even as I type this.

[BPBRB]

My personal view on this whole sorry tale is the fact that in regards to the dogs fans pleading they have been hard done by and picked on, they need to remember the sordid past of their so called end to end party.
Yes its true they taunted and terrorized many a supporter through the 70's and 80's and I'm not referring to my personal experiences here but I did have a few.
I remember reading newspaper articles on that group in the 80's and none of it was good.
Sorry guys but 'shit sticks' and call me one eyed or prejudiced but if I hear or read of trouble at any sanfl game involving central, I immediately think of the...dare I say it?? feral throng from behind the goals that caused trouble and looked for it for no apparent reason in the past. Perhaps Mr Cornes is guilty of this too but he is a dick.
I look at the dogs fans these days and its a level playing field between all clubs and have been involved in confrontations at norwood oval at night in the past too.
Lets not forget that it usually takes '2 to tango' and I believe that in last week's game, this was the case. I still laugh at the fact norwood supporters can get violent!

Yep well said Mungo re Norwood. Up until 1998 there were always some little fights, issues and general "argy bargy" at North vs Norwood games until the big 1998 half time fight at the Northern end and the Norwood d*ckheads never again bothered to try and intimidate, threaten etc and least of all throw cans at the heads of unsuspecting opposition supporters - well at least in the case of North Supporters.

We found out later that some of those idiots actually filled their empty cans half full and full with water to make them more deadly. After repeated warnings to stop and they refused - it was "on". After getting well and truly taken to the cleaners, and for those of us who witnessed it - there were some frightening things happening in that brawl but fortunately the Norwood ferals were on the receiving end, I have seen no problems at Norwood Oval since on a Friday night.

To those wishing to engage in fisticuffs by baiting opposition supporters if you are outnumbered 2-1 at best, you might want to re-think. That was at the Northern End too!

Mungo re your thoughts on Centrals and their past - spot on. Some of those young grafitti artist looking baggy arsed pants "kids" with reverse baseball caps who hang out with the Centrals "end to enders" - I think that describes most of them actually also seem intent on always wanting to threaten and fight. At least the skinheads of the 70's and 80's could fight and were frightening at times.