Swan Districts AFL protest

[Booney]

Who funds the 2 QLD / NSW Conferences re travel in which the following AFL Clubs have Reserves sides competing? No doubt the AFL given the amount of travel most teams do especially the NT Thunder to facilitate this unique model:

Eastern Conference: Swans; GWS Giants;
Northern Conference: GC Suns, Lions.

For the majority of the year, teams play other teams within their respective conferences HOWEVER the key point of difference between other state leagues and the NEAFL is that all teams play cross-conference games and travel interstate.

So there doesn't seem to be too many issues with the cost and travel re the NEAFL so surely the Power and Crows should be lobbying the AFL to set up a proper AFL Reserves Comp. Failing that AFL should force the VFL to have them play in the VFL or even form a 4 team Reserves League with the West Coast and the Dockers and that way the WAFL can undo the mess they have created this year with the alignment clubs and not root up the SANFL at the same time.

The only compromise re them fielding sides in SA would be in our Reserves Comp only. Magpies obvioulsy have to disappear from the League Comp but sadly there are always casualties in war and as part of a "One Club" PAFC that is the price they have to pay.

I could (perhaps wishful thinking) see the Magpies survive at League level if the SANFL reserves hosted the AFL reserves. The only players eligible for league selection would be the 10-12 non-AFL listed players in the reserves. 18's would have a full squad, reserves would have 10-12 AFL listed players and 10-12 non-AFL listed players and the league 21 non-AFL listed.

Sturts reserves do the same for Adelaide.

[therisingblues]

It doesn't matter how it used to work, what matters is how it is working now and in the future. There's a reason the windshield is so much bigger than the rear vision mirror.

And I do "get it" about players like Johncock, etc. having to move. Sad but it's about looking at the big picture and no different to my expectation of the likes of Kane Cornes having to move from the Bays to the Magpies. Don't want to do it? Fine, don't play AFL.

If putting the interests of my own club first makes me selfish? Guilty as charged.

For all your spruiking about "looking at the big picture" you are extraordinarily narrow in your focus. A "big picture" might encompass the needs and goals of all parties. A "big picture" might have better reasons for wanting a reserves team than simple envy of the Victorian clubs. A mind capable of envisaging the "big picture" might see that the current setup is As Good As It Gets, or at least has significant benefits that the Victorian model does not. Let the Vic clubs destroy the VFA - they're only doing it because they do not have the luxury of a SANFL in which to field reserves players. Their folly is not something which ought to be emulated.

Now who's got a narrow focus. More than Victorian clubs have and will have their own Reserves side. Sydney has one, Brisbane has one, WC and Freo will have one.

And there's nothing smug about me not wanting to watch Port Adelaide players, who are paid by Port Adelaide, playing against Port Adelaide.

The model put on record by Keith Thomas encompasses the needs of all parties. The Magpies remain as an SANFL entity made up of AFL and SANFL players across League, Reserves and U18 level.

People like you don't like it because it doesn't serve your needs.

When your needs are basically that of "survival" we tend to place a bit more emphasis on them than if the needs are basically: "wanting a practice team specifically in the SANFL, so those second tier players can play together".
And you STILL don't get it!
More than not serving our needs, your club is actively going about destroying our comp, for benefits that may be non-existant, and your attitude is, "Bad luck, that's the way it is!" and the deal isn't even done yet.
Smug.

[Booney]

More than not serving our needs, your club is actively going about destroying our comp, for benefits that may be non-existant, and your attitude is, "Bad luck, that's the way it is!" and the deal isn't even done yet.
Smug.

I dont completely agree with this.

[kickinit]

Yep that's why I'm so anti AFL in SA!

There are so many different options they can use without having to stuff up the SANFL to get their dream of having 'reserves teams'

Their only reason the State Leagues is there preferred option is because its the cheapest despite the billions they make.

So if your so anti AFL in SA why do you follow the SANFL, seeing as the SNAFL follow the rules of the game set out by the AFL, whether you like it or no the SANFL are aligned to the AFL and always will be. I'm sure you won't mind the $4.5million the SANFL CLUBS are suppose to receive from the AO move. So if your so anti AFL i'm sure you want the SANFL to cut all ties with the AFL? no just the ones you don't agree with?

Whose to say the crows and power having reserve side's is going to stuff up the SANFL? It's not going to cost any other club any extra, there will still a premiership to play for and your team will still be playing for you to go and support. The only thing that will stuff up the SANFL is if the fans turn to cry babies and say i'm not attending because the power and crows have a reserve team.

Yes your allowed a opinion and of course you don't have to agree with everything the sanfl or afl do. But at the end of the day will you really turn your back on your club if the crows and power have a reserve side?

[Apachebulldog]

On the rails everyone is entitled to an opinion so your rant re Dogger is un called for and childish in future play the ball and not the man some posters on here can see and have seen the big picture the AFL IS A VORACIOUS BEAST that has destroyed the WAFL SANFL VFL etc etc i assume you have noticed so stuff the AFL and stuff the Mickey Mouse Foxtel Cup.

[whufc]

Yep that's why I'm so anti AFL in SA!

There are so many different options they can use without having to stuff up the SANFL to get their dream of having 'reserves teams'

Their only reason the State Leagues is there preferred option is because its the cheapest despite the billions they make.

So if your so anti AFL in SA why do you follow the SANFL, seeing as the SNAFL follow the rules of the game set out by the AFL, whether you like it or no the SANFL are aligned to the AFL and always will be. I'm sure you won't mind the $4.5million the SANFL CLUBS are suppose to receive from the AO move. So if your so anti AFL i'm sure you want the SANFL to cut all ties with the AFL? no just the ones you don't agree with?

Whose to say the crows and power having reserve side's is going to stuff up the SANFL? It's not going to cost any other club any extra, there will still a premiership to play for and your team will still be playing for you to go and support. The only thing that will stuff up the SANFL is if the fans turn to cry babies and say i'm not attending because the power and crows have a reserve team.

Yes your allowed a opinion and of course you don't have to agree with everything the sanfl or afl do. But at the end of the day will you really turn your back on your club if the crows and power have a reserve side?

Kickinit answer this

Give me one reason why the AFL with all its billions of dollars cant set up an AFL reserves comp and leave the state leagues alone?

My club has now been playing league football for 50 years against 'A' Grade sides whose 'sole' and 'only' objective is to win premiership glory. I can 100% guarentee you that the Port Power coaching staff dont give a damn about the Magpie results and there sole interest is player development. That was told to me by a current member of the Power coaching panel.

How many VFL games have you been to, how many stand alone football club supporters have you spoken to. I have spoken to heaps and not one will tell you the VFA is the same comp since the AFL clubs joined, its destroyed their comp. The stand alone VFL clubs are alive but even their supporters will tell their clubs are a shadow of their former self.

I had the 'pleasure' of being at a Collingwood vs Box Hill (Hawthorn aligned) game (one of many VFL games i have seen) a few years ago. It was the most boring library crowd i have ever been to. One of the Collingwood players kicked one of the greatest goals you will ever see it barely raised an applause. The biggest cheers of the day were saved for Daisy Thomas every time he got a kick or handball, it was nearing the finals and he was coming back from injury. I would be living in a millon dollar mansion if i got a dollar for every time i heard a supporter say 'i dont care whether we win or not we need daisy to get through unscathed.

If the SANFL had no future i would be open to the ideas but while the majority of clubs are still financially stable, the SANFL has plenty of assests, on average at least 2K go to a game, the SANFL GF can still attract a bigger crowd than a Power game we dont need to sell our sole for the greediness of the AFL.

I would rather see the SANFL die trying to go alone than sell out and become a nothing comp.

And you are wrong again the SANFL doesnt just follow the rules the AFL has set out, go have a look mate there a fair few different rules ala the 25m/50m rule, there are also massively different interpreatations of rules as well.

[Apachebulldog]

Also MR KICKINIT why do we follow the SANFL i will tell you because some of us have been following the SANFL for FIFTY years and have not been sucked in by the AFL also it is not the supporters fault that the clowns over here follow the Bigger Clowns across the border with their yearly TAMPERING of the Rules so once again stuff the AFL.

[Dog_ger]

Some people are community based.

I am interested in both.

But I am very interested in my community.

Go Central. Go Salisbury West.

Go Crows. Go Port.

Go Anything South Australia.

[Apachebulldog]

Yah Dogger how ya doing my friend.

[Dog_ger]

Yah Dogger how ya doing my friend.

Hows Mrs_ Apachebulldog? my very good friend...!

We sent her home sick today....

[Apachebulldog]

Slowly getting there gotta learn to slow down like us old fellas.

[kickinit]

Kickinit answer this

Give me one reason why the AFL with all its billions of dollars cant set up an AFL reserves comp and leave the state leagues alone?

My club has now been playing league football for 50 years against 'A' Grade sides whose 'sole' and 'only' objective is to win premiership glory. I can 100% guarentee you that the Port Power coaching staff dont give a damn about the Magpie results and there sole interest is player development. That was told to me by a current member of the Power coaching panel.

How many VFL games have you been to, how many stand alone football club supporters have you spoken to. I have spoken to heaps and not one will tell you the VFA is the same comp since the AFL clubs joined, its destroyed their comp. The stand alone VFL clubs are alive but even their supporters will tell their clubs are a shadow of their former self.

I had the 'pleasure' of being at a Collingwood vs Box Hill (Hawthorn aligned) game (one of many VFL games i have seen) a few years ago. It was the most boring library crowd i have ever been to. One of the Collingwood players kicked one of the greatest goals you will ever see it barely raised an applause. The biggest cheers of the day were saved for Daisy Thomas every time he got a kick or handball, it was nearing the finals and he was coming back from injury. I would be living in a millon dollar mansion if i got a dollar for every time i heard a supporter say 'i dont care whether we win or not we need daisy to get through unscathed.

If the SANFL had no future i would be open to the ideas but while the majority of clubs are still financially stable, the SANFL has plenty of assests, on average at least 2K go to a game, the SANFL GF can still attract a bigger crowd than a Power game we dont need to sell our sole for the greediness of the AFL.

I would rather see the SANFL die trying to go alone than sell out and become a nothing comp.

And you are wrong again the SANFL doesnt just follow the rules the AFL has set out, go have a look mate there a fair few different rules ala the 25m/50m rule, there are also massively different interpreatations of rules as well.

the reason the afl won't setup it's own afl reserves comp is because of Andrew Dimetriou, the more money the afl the more he get's in his bonus at the end of the year.

The Port Power coaching panel shouldn't worry about the magpies results, the only results they need to worry about is the Power's. They are paid to worry about the power results not the magpies.

The only excuse i've heard is the die hard fans don't like it. The other comps have died because they don't show up or they don't get into the game. If these diehard fan's kept supporting their club like they do now how is anything going to change.

Tell me this WHUFC will you still support centrals if the crows and port have a afl reserves side?

Also have a look at the SANFl laws of the game. yes there are a couple that the sanfl have changed but the majority of their rules are set by the AFL.
http://sanfl.com.au/umpires/laws_of_the_game/

[Dog_ger]

Told her that in no uncertain manner.

Why does she run around like a tear ass...?

SLOW DOWN.

Just got back from 5 weeks sick leave.

We are idiots ....

[Apachebulldog]

Yah yah tell her all the time Women my friend cannot stop them maybe you should take over her job and take the pressure off her.

[Apachebulldog]

So how are you Dogger have you recovered we have to catch up my friend.

[Dog_ger]

Yah yah tell her all the time Women my friend cannot stop them maybe you should take over her job and take the pressure off her.

You should take her management job, I don't need it.

They try to put the sh*t on me, but I shrug my shoulders and show them my palms.

I am too old to care. Give it to someone younger.

Lining up my retirement now.

Yes, must catch up.

[whufc]

Kickinit answer this

Give me one reason why the AFL with all its billions of dollars cant set up an AFL reserves comp and leave the state leagues alone?

My club has now been playing league football for 50 years against 'A' Grade sides whose 'sole' and 'only' objective is to win premiership glory. I can 100% guarentee you that the Port Power coaching staff dont give a damn about the Magpie results and there sole interest is player development. That was told to me by a current member of the Power coaching panel.

How many VFL games have you been to, how many stand alone football club supporters have you spoken to. I have spoken to heaps and not one will tell you the VFA is the same comp since the AFL clubs joined, its destroyed their comp. The stand alone VFL clubs are alive but even their supporters will tell their clubs are a shadow of their former self.

I had the 'pleasure' of being at a Collingwood vs Box Hill (Hawthorn aligned) game (one of many VFL games i have seen) a few years ago. It was the most boring library crowd i have ever been to. One of the Collingwood players kicked one of the greatest goals you will ever see it barely raised an applause. The biggest cheers of the day were saved for Daisy Thomas every time he got a kick or handball, it was nearing the finals and he was coming back from injury. I would be living in a millon dollar mansion if i got a dollar for every time i heard a supporter say 'i dont care whether we win or not we need daisy to get through unscathed.

If the SANFL had no future i would be open to the ideas but while the majority of clubs are still financially stable, the SANFL has plenty of assests, on average at least 2K go to a game, the SANFL GF can still attract a bigger crowd than a Power game we dont need to sell our sole for the greediness of the AFL.

I would rather see the SANFL die trying to go alone than sell out and become a nothing comp.

And you are wrong again the SANFL doesnt just follow the rules the AFL has set out, go have a look mate there a fair few different rules ala the 25m/50m rule, there are also massively different interpreatations of rules as well.

the reason the afl won't setup it's own afl reserves comp is because of Andrew Dimetriou, the more money the afl the more he get's in his bonus at the end of the year.

The Port Power coaching panel shouldn't worry about the magpies results, the only results they need to worry about is the Power's. They are paid to worry about the power results not the magpies.

The only excuse i've heard is the die hard fans don't like it. The other comps have died because they don't show up or they don't get into the game. If these diehard fan's kept supporting their club like they do now how is anything going to change.

Tell me this WHUFC will you still support centrals if the crows and port have a afl reserves side?

Also have a look at the SANFl laws of the game. yes there are a couple that the sanfl have changed but the majority of their rules are set by the AFL.
http://sanfl.com.au/umpires/laws_of_the_game/

exactly we have changed some so we dont just follow the rules of the game the AFL set out as you suggested, they take on board which ones to change and do so accordingly, even if its a majority its not all. Some are quite major as well such as only playing 21 players, no sub rule.

i will support Centrals but no i wont be going to Max Basheer Reserve to watch Centrals take on 10 AFL listed players and a bunch of 17 kids infront of 500 people. Nor do i have an interest in watching a bloke Centrals put alot of time, money and effort in kicking goals against the side he loves and never thought he would play against.

It says more about you that your happy to follow a league whose owner is solely interested in lining his own pockets rather than whats good for the sport as a whole.

Dont you think there is a reason so many diehard supporters in Victoria dont go to the VFL now. Because there comp is a shadow of its former self.

Im interested to hear why you think it would be good for the SANFL, apart from money they are paid to do this.

[kickinit]

exactly we have changed some so we dont just follow the rules of the game the AFL set out as you suggested, they take on board which ones to change and do so accordingly, even if its a majority its not all.

i will support Centrals but no i wont be going to Max Basheer Reserve to watch Centrals take on 10 AFL listed players and a bunch of 17 kids infront of 500 people. Nor do i have an interest in watching a bloke Centrals put alot of time, money and effort in kicking goals against the side he loves and never thought he would play against.

It says more about you that your happy to follow a league whose owner is solely interested in lining his own pockets rather than whats good for the sport as a whole.

Dont you think there is a reason so many diehard supporters in Victoria dont go to the VFL now. Because there comp is a shadow of its former self.

says more about me? sanfl is ran the exactly same way. and the reason the crows and power will get their reserves side is because the sanfl will be bought with money.

The amount of of people at a game is up to how fans still want to support their club, which means it will be the fans fault if they don't support their team. How many kids are already playing at a sanfl club because of zoning, but grew up supporting another sanfl team? I my self grew up supporting the magpies and was in the eagles zone. How many of the kids playing sanfl actually play a decent amount of league and reserves footy before getting drafted?

Comp will only become a shadow of it's self if you allow it to. If you continue to support your team like you do now there won't be a problem, and your team and every other sanfl team can stil go about trying to be the best club they can be.

[whufc]

exactly we have changed some so we dont just follow the rules of the game the AFL set out as you suggested, they take on board which ones to change and do so accordingly, even if its a majority its not all.

i will support Centrals but no i wont be going to Max Basheer Reserve to watch Centrals take on 10 AFL listed players and a bunch of 17 kids infront of 500 people. Nor do i have an interest in watching a bloke Centrals put alot of time, money and effort in kicking goals against the side he loves and never thought he would play against.

It says more about you that your happy to follow a league whose owner is solely interested in lining his own pockets rather than whats good for the sport as a whole.

Dont you think there is a reason so many diehard supporters in Victoria dont go to the VFL now. Because there comp is a shadow of its former self.

says more about me? sanfl is ran the exactly same way. and the reason the crows and power will get their reserves side is because the sanfl will be bought with money.

The amount of of people at a game is up to how fans still want to support their club, which means it will be the fans fault if they don't support their team. How many kids are already playing at a sanfl club because of zoning, but grew up supporting another sanfl team? I my self grew up supporting the magpies and was in the eagles zone. How many of the kids playing sanfl actually play a decent amount of league and reserves footy before getting drafted?

Comp will only become a shadow of it's self if you allow it to. If you continue to support your team like you do now there won't be a problem, and your team and every other sanfl team can stil go about trying to be the best club they can be.

Obviously havent been to the Northern Suburbs often, i worked in vacation care for 5 years and could count less than 5 kids that supported an SANFL team other than Centrals.

Thats the whole point your missing, i have no interest and nor should in going and watching my team strive for 2 points and passionatley supporting them while the opposition supporter next to me couldnt give a rats arse and only knows the 'you wouldnt beat our AFL team line' have been to many VFL games and its the most common line used.

The simplest way i can put to you kickinit, is

i am not willing to watch my league team play against reserves team whose 'main' focus is not about winning and rather developing a player for a completely different league. Especially when is the greed of the AFL.

If thats what i was interested in i would go follow the TAC Cup.

[cennals05]

Yep that's why I'm so anti AFL in SA!

There are so many different options they can use without having to stuff up the SANFL to get their dream of having 'reserves teams'

Their only reason the State Leagues is there preferred option is because its the cheapest despite the billions they make.

So if your so anti AFL in SA why do you follow the SANFL, seeing as the SNAFL follow the rules of the game set out by the AFL, whether you like it or no the SANFL are aligned to the AFL and always will be. I'm sure you won't mind the $4.5million the SANFL CLUBS are suppose to receive from the AO move. So if your so anti AFL i'm sure you want the SANFL to cut all ties with the AFL? no just the ones you don't agree with?

Whose to say the crows and power having reserve side's is going to stuff up the SANFL? It's not going to cost any other club any extra, there will still a premiership to play for and your team will still be playing for you to go and support. The only thing that will stuff up the SANFL is if the fans turn to cry babies and say i'm not attending because the power and crows have a reserve team.

Yes your allowed a opinion and of course you don't have to agree with everything the sanfl or afl do. But at the end of the day will you really turn your back on your club if the crows and power have a reserve side?

You are aware the SANFL and AFL both play Australian Rules Football aren’t you? Generally this means that you have the same rules because it’s the same sport. Do I need to clap that out for you?
That just about takes the cake for the dumbest point ever used to try and win an argument.