Norwood v Central 11/5/07 Live Scores

[NFC]

My word the Dogs fans are ferals. You are proud of flares? Sums them up.

[sydney-dog]

Scarey thing about the Dogs is they are yet to play 4 Qtrs of footy

[Hondo]

great effort by the dogs.has there ever been a brother combo that has been so influentual in our comp in the gowans brothers.simply awesome those boys.

i wonder the influence it will have once they move on.

(I CANT WAIT)

Jarman brothers 1986-1989 were OK for North

No others as influential come immediately to mind ... for longevity and class over many years the Gowans' edge out Andrew and Darren and must be right up there for all time (I have probably forgotten someone obvious)

[am Bays]

great effort by the dogs.has there ever been a brother combo that has been so influentual in our comp in the gowans brothers.simply awesome those boys.

i wonder the influence it will have once they move on.

(I CANT WAIT)

Jarman brothers 1986-1989 were OK for North

No others as influential come immediately to mind ... for longevity and class over many years the Gowans' edge out Andrew and Darren and must be right up there for all time (I have probably forgotten someone obvious)

Phillis brothers weren't bad for the Bays.....

[goraw]

great effort by the dogs.has there ever been a brother combo that has been so influentual in our comp in the gowans brothers.simply awesome those boys.

i wonder the influence it will have once they move on.

(I CANT WAIT)

Jarman brothers 1986-1989 were OK for North

No others as influential come immediately to mind ... for longevity and class over many years the Gowans' edge out Andrew and Darren and must be right up there for all time (I have probably forgotten someone obvious)

Phillis brothers weren't bad for the Bays.....

as a north supporter i thought of the jars combo,but geez these blokes have held this side togetheer for so long its nausiating, i wonder if these these blokes werent aroung from the get go whether they would have won as many prems

[goraw]

and im sooooooooo sick of em (cause there so good)

[goraw]

My word the Dogs fans are ferals. You are proud of flares? Sums them up.

oh cmon ,theres been more feral scenes than that,there just enjoying the time theve still got while there on top,no harm done imo.

[goraw]

htpothetical?what if the the gowens went to west ,hmmmmmmm

[topsywaldron]

Aish brothers weren't too shabby for Norwood either.

[Hondo]

Aish brothers weren't too shabby for Norwood either.

Que thread topic for SANFL History forum ....

[Grahaml]

The comment was most influencial. Can't think of any who were architects of 5 flags and 2 losing GFs. Mightn't be the best brothers to play SANFL but no doubt more influencial than the Jarmans or any others suggested here.

Game was an interesting spectacle for the most part. Unpires did their best to ruin the contest by overumpiring early and not surprising lost control for a while. Saw the replay on TV of the Bartemucci incidents. Nothing in the second free kick. Almost an action replay of the 2005(?) GF with Joe Pedler. Nothing in the report either and will have it thrown out pretty quickly. Worth the free, worth the report as means of a deterrent but nothing more.

In the end, the dogs played like winners, and the legs played like losers. For more than 3 quarters of the game Norwood were the best opposition we've played. They had structure, they ran hard, they had big men up forward looking dangerous and they played with confidence. Most importantly they were just about even with the dogs for getting their hands on the ball first in the contests, something no other team has done. However, at the 10 minute mark of the last, they stopped. Stopped running, stopped getting first hands on the ball and stopped chasing. O'Sullivan just kept bombing the ball out of the middle forward and we kept kicking goals. It was the most inglorious way for Norwood to finish a contest they had given themselves a chance in for most of the day.

For Centrals, Schell and Wilson's marking power across half back was again a feature. A pity Wilson didn't pull this game out when he was on Essendon's list because he looks AFL standard to me. Callinan was again good, and may poll a vote or two in this game on Magarey night. Westhoff was dangerous but dropped a few marks he should have taken and could have kicked better. Can't be far away from a 10 goal haul if he keeps this up and the power don't call him up. Good to see O'Sullivan back and playing well. He must have peed in the centre square in the 3/4 time huddle because he owned it in the last. Lawrie and Grima who have sttod out this season started slowly but worked their way into the game, expecially Lawry. Gowans, Slade, Switala all won important ball throughout the night and ball handling, skills and decision making were important in overcoming the sheer weight of desire Norwood played on for most of the night.

For Norwood, Wonoemerri, or whatever his name was, hurt us on many occasions with his speed and unpredictability. A great find, and will attract interest from above, even if he doesn't actually get drafted. Gallagher and Bartemucci were busy (although Bartemucci watches too much soccer) and Vlatko looked like he might win it of his own boot. Cockshell was a bit ordinary and would have helped Richmond today had he actually got a call up from Williams. If a beginner needs to hands, he better borrow a third from somewhere.

All in all a pathetic finish by Norwood, and an awesome finish by the dogs. Dogs keep on rolling and nothing but a flag is acceptable from here. With depth, confidence and apparently faltering opposition there is nothing that will excuse a finals loss once the team bus arrives. Some are saying Norwood aren't fit enough but I think they've got the mentality of Greg Norman at the masters. The sooner they get rid of some of the guys who play like they expect to lose the better.

On a final note, it appears the Norwood officials are bad losers. Not only do they not play the Centrals song, but they turn the lights of as soon as the Norwood players left the ground. Perhaps they didn't make as much money off the sale of their property as was thought.

[Wedgie]

Someone PM'd this to me:

Was right next to the fight at Norwood on Friday night.
It happened directly in front of the Coopers Hill bar.
A Norwood supporter decided he wanted to offer some serious verbal and personal abuse of a Centrals supporter and then continued on for about a minute. A Centrals supporter went over to him and the tirade continued, the Centrals supporter gave him a swift kick in the leg and a minor scuffle occured involving about 8 people, a young Centrals supporter decided he wanted a cheap shot and hit a Norwood supporter drawing blood. The security guards managed to split the 2 parties and it simmered out. The Norwood supporter who was bleeding decided to go look for the young Centrals supporter with a few of his mates and located him in front of the bar. From here the Centrals supporter got pummelled and others became involved and it got pretty ugly as there were a couple of hot spots with lots of boots involved. The security guards finally stopped it and kicked out the Centrals supporters. I don't know if the Norwood supporters got kicked out. Two coppers arrived well after the event.
Saw a couple of the people involved at the Norwood Hotel and apparently the young Centrals supporter was not in too good of condition.
In the last quarter a group of Norwood supporters came and stood behind a group of Centrals supporters and started with the cheap verbal shots. These supporters were not there for the footy they were just there to cause trouble, lucky this one didn't explode as well.

Slightly off topic (or perhaps on), how come there was 400 less this week than last week v North and how come things only happened this week when there was a smaller crowd?

[Grahaml]

I think part of the problem is that Central's crowds have this reputation. Other fans think something might start so they look for it more than against other teams. If you look for trouble then it's easy for something to escelate as it sounds like it has here. I can easily imagine if these same guys were at a game that wasn't Norwood v Central then nothing would happen.

At least in the majority of these incidents it sounds like the guys who actually get hurt are the ones who are looking for trouble. It's deplorable when some innocent party gets involved just by being there. I don't envy the clubs or the SANFL in trying to find a solution to these problems because I can't see any way they could with the resources they have.

[Wedgie]

I think part of the problem is that Central's crowds have this reputation. Other fans think something might start so they look for it more than against other teams. If you look for trouble then it's easy for something to escelate as it sounds like it has here. I can easily imagine if these same guys were at a game that wasn't Norwood v Central then nothing would happen.

At least in the majority of these incidents it sounds like the guys who actually get hurt are the ones who are looking for trouble. It's deplorable when some innocent party gets involved just by being there. I don't envy the clubs or the SANFL in trying to find a solution to these problems because I can't see any way they could with the resources they have.

Good post Graham, and I agree fully, you raise some excellent points.
Only times Ive been really upset at such incidents is when innocent parties, especially kids, have been involved or nearby.

Im sorry to say my kids never want to go to Elizabeth ever again in their life after what they saw last year which turned from a great night for them (they were the mascots that night and saw a good win) into something that terrified them.
CEOs of offending clubs should perhaps do more instead of accusing people who report the incidents of being "trouble makers" into actually doing something about the people who upset kids or put them at risk too.

Excellent post mate.

[Scottdog]

The Norwood supporters are always oh so innocent,get a bit of abuse from them even if I haven`t said anything towards them or their upper class club.Just ignore the verbal banter and support my club,but thats only coz I dont drink like alot of others do.That BS free kick paid by the worst ump in the comp was against Brad Symes not a Gowans,geez give the Gowans boys a break its not always them.Round 1 they had supposivey been reported twice,wasn`t the case at all.Westhoff copped a heavy high hit last night,he copped two weeks for nothing so he`d be wondering what the rules actually are.Finally isnt it about time Williams gave it away,everybody thinks that hes useless.

[Grahaml]

Thanks Wedgie. I bet if anyone here was able to provide information or some up with a solution to these problems Kris Grant, the other 8 clubs and the SANFL would all gladly hear them.

Also forgot to mention that based on their inept 20 minutes of "football", Norwood are now deservedly on the bottom of the ladder.

[Wedgie]

Thanks Wedgie. I bet if anyone here was able to provide information or some up with a solution to these problems Kris Grant, the other 8 clubs and the SANFL would all gladly hear them.

Also forgot to mention that based on their inept 20 minutes of "football", Norwood are now deservedly on the bottom of the ladder.

Agreed fully mate, but I don't think Kris Grant or whoever the Norwood CEO is these days (if they have one) would like my solution as its a pretty obvious one.

[Grahaml]

And what solution is that?

[Wedgie]

And what solution is that?

Well actually I shouldn't have said "solution" but a way to cut it down is for the night games at places like Norwood and Elizabeth to be eliminated.

Norwood is a shocking place for kids at the best of times with no grass to play on.

Elizabeth is a great place to go during the day because of so much grass for kids to play on but is a very frightening and different place at night.

Norwood's scary enough as people have been on the turps for 3 hours after work.

Elizabeth on a Saturday is even worse form what I witnessed last year mainly because a lot of the trouble makers have had 7 hours on the turps beforehand.

Centrals will never despite any problems call off Saturday night footy because of the great crowds and being such a good money spinner.

Norwood similarly will not do the same for Friday night game also.

[Grahaml]

No, I don't think that would happen. Simarly banning alcohol wouldn't go down very well. How have the family friendly areas gone so far as these sorts of incidents go? Has anyone seen any trouble there?