central put on notice

[redwhiteandblueblooded]

"Yeah, I'll concede thats good points you make smac, must admit the only swing ever taken at me was also an Eagles supporter (he and his mates soon learnt a valuable lesson)."

Nice line Wedgie!! I do hope you are not condoning any sort of violent response, especially given your "prima donna" attitude over certain issues mentioned on this site, particularly any perceived threat to your precious hubcaps and Elizabeth oval.

[bulldogproud]

CD, I can't agree more with you re the timing of matches. Even before I read your comment, I was thinking that if it was a problem to have the Reserves start earlier on the Friday, why not have them as a triple-header with the junior grades on the Saturday? I have seen plenty of trouble at Norwood Oval at games not involving Central. The worst was a North game a few years back where even the players got involved as they went down the race. Starting at 7:40pm does result in a lot of people being intoxicated at the matches. Start the match an hour earlier and I think you will see a lot of the trouble gone. That, plus perhaps an increased security presence.
I wish I knew why the inquest was being focused on Central supporters. The worst incidents last year were where players got manhandled, and that was by Port supporters at Elizabeth hanging over the fence and also at Woodville Oval where a player was beaten with an umbrella by an Eagles supporter.
Idiots are at all clubs, not just at one. Yes, Central have their fair share and we want to stamp those out. However, I want to see all clubs proactive in this, not just one!
Cheers

[BPBRB]

"Yeah, I'll concede thats good points you make smac, must admit the only swing ever taken at me was also an Eagles supporter (he and his mates soon learnt a valuable lesson)."

Nice line Wedgie!! I do hope you are not condoning any sort of violent response, especially given your "prima donna" attitude over certain issues mentioned on this site, particularly any perceived threat to your precious hubcaps and Elizabeth oval.

If you had actually witnessed what happened to Wedgie re the Eagles incident (self defence for starters) you would agree he was more than justified in what he did that day - and he didn't spill a drop of his beer either! I know he wasn't exactly proud of what occurred after it happened but he was put in a position that he had to do something or he would have got his lights punched out. The guy was asking for it, started it all and took a swing at Wedgie - hardly Wedgies fault that the other blokes punch/swing missed but what was he supposed to do - wait until he eventually connected?

[Jar Man Out]

Why dont ya ring up Cornesy and have a cry about it.

If there's anyone here who needs to do that it's you.

Get over it princess.

Nope although im sure you would want it dropped now the facts have come to the surface.

And you guys want to know why Centrals fans dont like you ????

let me present exhibit A.

[johntheclaret]

SANFL is not a English soccer game, they should clean there act up.

And whilst you are explaining to DW what you mean by "clean their act up", maybe you could elaborate and the refernce to "a English soccer game" too.

By the way corrected you grammer in the quotes. for your future info. there means in that place as 'over there', whilst their means owned or belonging to them as their name.

Sweeping uniformed statement

[doggies4eva]

There was a "crisis" meeting (as described to me - not my term) at West Lakes today between the SANFL, Police and Weslo Security. I was told to expect to see some tougher Security measures and much less tolerance at all games starting from this week. I won't hold my breath as they have said that before many times and bugger all has been done.

I was told that it was commonly agreed by all at the meeting that 99 percent of crowd problems over many many years are the result of one team always being involved in the matches where the trouble is at. Anyone care to have a stab in the dark as to who that team is!:roll:

I don't think Centrals had anyone present at the meeting but no doubt the general consensus/opinion/fact etc and the mood of the meeting will be conveyed to Kris Grant ASAP.

If this is true it is a disgrace that the accused party was not even invited to the meeting. No wonder they can't come up with a solution. What happens at AFL games? Do they never have problems or eject people? Why do we never have the histeria given that they have larger crowds?

[johntheclaret]

I know most of you won't agree with this, but, crowd segregation might go some way to solving the problem.
There hasn't been any trouble at Engilsh grounds for a long time and this is due to the fans being segregated. Any trouble today, whilst being fairly rare and isolated, takes place away from the ground, where there is no control over so called fans.
Night games are commonplace kicking off at 7:30 or 7:45 and at all games the beer flows freely.
Both sets of fans taunt each other throughout the game (most times adding to the atmosphere) but at no time are allowed to mix with each other.

Remember going to a Conference League game a couple of years ago, there was no segragation and the fans could walk from end to end. There was only about 1,000 fans there but it still got a bit ugly when a few of the "fans" from each side were passing each other at the change over. Again it was a night match, some had obviously had a drop too much and one set decided they weren't going to move for the other, and the other decided they were coming through anyway. It only involved about 20 in total, but went a long way to spoiling the night for eveyone including the magority of real fans.

Segregation not only keeps the warring factions, for want of a better expression, apart, but also makes the true fans feel safer and encourages more women and kids to the game.

Like someone else said, these idiots are not there for the football, they are there to make trouble and will select innocent fans as targets for no reason other than they are there.

Supporters of Footy, and other team sports, are tribal and often get passionate about their team. A bad decision by the ump, a bad tackle, a great goal, all provoke a reaction from the fans, that ultimately could, and does, incite a reaction from the opposing fans and in the heat of the moment those reactions can go too far. Segragation allows the fans to vent their spleen, so to speak on the opposing team and fans, without either set having the opportunity to follow up the bagging with "biffing".

In some cases, this is a good release valve, and gives fans the opportunity to blow off steam that has built up at work, home etc. I know I always feel better after having a good rant at the linesman, or one of the opposing teams players' in the knowledge that some idiot fan in front of me who supports the other lot isn't gonna turn round and start a fight.

Dunno if some form of segragation would help, even if it is resrticted to particular games where the clubs are aware there might be trouble, would work over there. Maybe the ground could be split lengthways so the fans could still watch the game from either end. Each side would have access to one set of goals so the dividing line would be sort of diagonol from one forward pocket to the opposite forward pocket. The partition could be some temporary crowd control fencing and would be policed by two or three security guards at each end.

Just a thought

[BPBRB]

There was a "crisis" meeting (as described to me - not my term) at West Lakes today between the SANFL, Police and Weslo Security. I was told to expect to see some tougher Security measures and much less tolerance at all games starting from this week. I won't hold my breath as they have said that before many times and bugger all has been done.

I was told that it was commonly agreed by all at the meeting that 99 percent of crowd problems over many many years are the result of one team always being involved in the matches where the trouble is at. Anyone care to have a stab in the dark as to who that team is!:roll:

I don't think Centrals had anyone present at the meeting but no doubt the general consensus/opinion/fact etc and the mood of the meeting will be conveyed to Kris Grant ASAP.

If this is true it is a disgrace that the accused party was not even invited to the meeting. No wonder they can't come up with a solution. What happens at AFL games? Do they never have problems or eject people? Why do we never have the histeria given that they have larger crowds?

I'm not sure any club was actually represented? It may have been a fact finding (insert witch hunt) meeting before the outcomes go to the CEO's meeting later this week. I know our CEO knew nothing about it and from what he said there was no indication that Club bosses had to attend any meeting yesterday about crowd trouble so it may be just an intial fact gathering planning meeting with the Security agencies?

[CedeNullis]

Hats off to Mr Orwell. Has the two minute hate session finished yet?
Apparently not.

The only real story to come out of Friday night was the 11 goal last quarter blitz by the Dogs.
The rest is media fodder for the gullible.

[Lunchcutter]

Hats off to Mr Orwell. Has the two minute hate session finished yet?
Apparently not.

The only real story to come out of Friday night was the 11 goal last quarter blitz by the Dogs.
The rest is media fodder for the gullible.

hear hear

[bulldogproud]

True, let us not forget that sensational last quarter. Well done to Norwood for taking it up to us for three quarters, but well done, Doggies, on that great thirty minutes!
Cheers

[Grahaml]

I hope that when the general consencus was it was mostly at Centrals games they weren't implying that it was 99% central's fault and 99% their problem. Hopefully that means they will make centrals games a focus to boost security and not an excuse to handball the problem to someone else. I think it's time the SANFL stepped up and tried to more actively dispel the idea that Centrals fans are just thugs. Some are, no doubt, but the sooner we can get other thugs out there to stop looking for trouble with dogs fans, the better.

[doggies4eva]

I hope that when the general consencus was it was mostly at Centrals games they weren't implying that it was 99% central's fault and 99% their problem. Hopefully that means they will make centrals games a focus to boost security and not an excuse to handball the problem to someone else. I think it's time the SANFL stepped up and tried to more actively dispel the idea that Centrals fans are just thugs. Some are, no doubt, but the sooner we can get other thugs out there to stop looking for trouble with dogs fans, the better.

I have a theory that the thug element is attracted to the more successful teams. My recollections of the teams that were most likely to have thug supporters in the 70s and 80s were those that were consistently near the top of the table.

[Grahaml]

Bigger crowds, more likely to find someone to have a go back at you. I think it all goes hand in hand.

JTC, I think that some way of spreading the crowd out would help. I don't think a full segregation is needed, but just some way of stopping people from being able to stand shoulder to shoulder in a huddle of a few hundred would help. Those big steps at HHO would do the trick on Coopers Hill I reckon.

Anyway, my solution to the problem would be thus:
1. SANFL call together all 9 clubs, police and security and work out the problem together without just pointing the finger.
2. Find a way to break up the crowd so they're more spread out.
3. Increase security presence, preferably with police.
4. Actively try to discourage the reputation centrals have got so the thugs don't gravitate to those games.
5. Introduce enormous penalties for active involvement in these incidents.
6. Ban, wherever possible, people actively involved in fights.
7. Don't invite trouble by playing 2 teams known for problems in the very situation they are known for problems without an indication of improvement.

And I think ALL these measures need to be implemented together for the greatest success.

[JK]

What Im more concerned about and do not want to go unpunsihed . Is the hysteria connected to this incident in the media can be squarely blamed at one set off cry baby supporters. Let us just Imagine that the drama queen didnt call up and make his false/ridiculous claims and get dumber and dumber fired up. Would we even be talking about it . ???

Answer : No. Thanks to an individuals chip on his shoulder. A complete set of supporters name has been tarnished. Any of you legs fans know this guy please pass on your disapproval.

WOW ... The most common annoyance of most CDFC fans (and rightly so) is that they all get labelled due to a poorly behaved minority, just as you have done here, well done!

[Jar Man Out]

what a surprise cp a norwood fan is still trying to pass the buck.

denial is strong with you cp. keep blaming everyone else mate doggies fans, security and the sanfl.

you have already stated it is unfair that centrals supporters get blamed for this incident. You just wont accept any fault on who wrongly caused the finger being pointed squarely at us.

my bad. i keep forgetting norwood fans are perfect arent they mate??? .

[JK]

what a surprise cp a norwood fan is still trying to pass the buck.

denial is strong with you cp. keep blaming everyone else mate doggies fans, security and the sanfl.

you have already stated it is unfair that centrals supporters get blamed for this incident. You just wont accept any fault on who wrongly caused the finger being pointed squarely at us.

my bad. i keep forgetting norwood fans are perfect arent they mate??? .

My bad ... Never argue with an idiot huh?!

I've expressed my thoughts on the matter pretty clearly mate, doesn't fuss me if you're not bright enough to understand them.

[Aerie]

SANFL is not a English soccer game, they should clean there act up.

And whilst you are explaining to DW what you mean by "clean their act up", maybe you could elaborate and the refernce to "a English soccer game" too.

By the way corrected you grammer in the quotes. for your future info. there means in that place as 'over there', whilst their means owned or belonging to them as their name.

Sweeping uniformed statement

You'd make a great teacher.

[smac]

what a surprise cp a norwood fan is still trying to pass the buck.

denial is strong with you cp. keep blaming everyone else mate doggies fans, security and the sanfl.

you have already stated it is unfair that centrals supporters get blamed for this incident. You just wont accept any fault on who wrongly caused the finger being pointed squarely at us.

my bad. i keep forgetting norwood fans are perfect arent they mate??? .

FFS mark, is English your first or second language? If you had read CP's posts in this thread you would understand that he has not criticised the dogs fans any more than his own fans or the SANFL, or security. Instead you have chosen (yet again) to go on a self absorbed rant to try and prove your ill-concieved point.

The thread would be dead and half way off the front page if you could just let it go.

[Dog_ger]

Footy Should be a Family environment..!

All Welcome. Have Fun. Go Home and can't wait for next week.

Violent people should get a Life Ban...!

Like a restraining Order. Break it and Jail...!