by Dissident » Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:45 pm
by Aerie » Tue Jul 11, 2006 2:56 pm
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by mal » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:19 pm
by sus » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:38 pm
by JK » Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:00 pm
sus wrote:If Umpires use half a brain then its not an issue. The point of this particular aspect of the HTB rule is that if a player is already on the ground and they drag it in then they will be pinged HTB when some opportunist takes advantage. Under these circumstances the player on the ground deserves to be pinged - why didnt he keep his feet or knock the ball out? Answer - its usually becuase his team doesnt have numbers in support. The problem arises when some stupid umpire wants to ping a bloke desperate for the footy, when he didnt deliberately drag it in and the opposiition jumps on top and waves his hand in the air.
by giffo » Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:42 pm
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by doggies4eva » Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:03 pm
by Dissident » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:00 pm
by sus » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:02 pm
Dissident wrote:One other big problem I have with the rule is when someone is tackled without prior opportunity and ONE arm is pinned (without the ball in it). The player is then in no mans land and often get's pinged for HBT.
I don't like that at all. If you don't have prior opportunity, and then one arm is pinned - you are DENIED ALL CHANCE to dispose of the ball apart from attempting a kick which is very hard (in modern day football). In my eyes, a tackle that pins one arm and leaves the ball and the other arm free should be considered the same as a tackle that pins BOTH arms.
Therefore, ball up.
by Dissident » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:06 pm
sus wrote:Dissident wrote:One other big problem I have with the rule is when someone is tackled without prior opportunity and ONE arm is pinned (without the ball in it). The player is then in no mans land and often get's pinged for HBT.
I don't like that at all. If you don't have prior opportunity, and then one arm is pinned - you are DENIED ALL CHANCE to dispose of the ball apart from attempting a kick which is very hard (in modern day football). In my eyes, a tackle that pins one arm and leaves the ball and the other arm free should be considered the same as a tackle that pins BOTH arms.
Therefore, ball up.
Disagree - reward the tackler!
by doggies4eva » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:15 pm
by sus » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:51 pm
Dissident wrote:sus wrote:Dissident wrote:One other big problem I have with the rule is when someone is tackled without prior opportunity and ONE arm is pinned (without the ball in it). The player is then in no mans land and often get's pinged for HBT.
I don't like that at all. If you don't have prior opportunity, and then one arm is pinned - you are DENIED ALL CHANCE to dispose of the ball apart from attempting a kick which is very hard (in modern day football). In my eyes, a tackle that pins one arm and leaves the ball and the other arm free should be considered the same as a tackle that pins BOTH arms.
Therefore, ball up.
Disagree - reward the tackler!
That is my earlier point, sus. People forgot that a good tackle that holds up play and makes another 50/50 contest is a reward in itself.
The fact remains - if you retard the other player and they don't have ANY opportunity to dispose of the ball, you should NOT be called for holding the ball.
by Dissident » Thu Jul 13, 2006 1:56 pm
doggies4eva wrote:I agree with the above - the question is what is prior opportunity?
In my view the current pace of footy means that about 2 seconds is long enough to take possession and dispose of it - some of the skillful players can get a ball out of a pack faster than that.
After that once a tackle is laid a player must dispose of it by either a handball or kick - if an arm is pinned reward the tackler.
If the ball is jarred free by the tackle play on.
This all seems straightforward. Why does it not appear to happen on a consistent basis?
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