The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[LPH]

Closer to 3/4 Billion $ than 1/2

[StrayDog]

I'm getting sick of reading all of this crap about Port Power/ Port Magpies.

We seem to have forgotten about the 4,000 Crows supporters.

Start bagging Adelaide again, I feel left out.

For the first time in almost a quarter of a century, proof that at least some footy fans in this country are past taking the piss out of Crows supporters.

Keep posting though, I'm sure something will inspire.

[CUTTERMAN]

Heard Keith Thomas on 891 on Saturday, he said that 'Port Magpies don't want any advantages in the SANFL as it would diminish any achievements that they earned.' Not sure what he deems to be advantages or not.
He went on to say that Port will be affected next year by losing their juniors and zones. (I'm guessing that he deems this to be enough of a disadvantage to even out the $3m that they are breaking the salary cap by each week and having full time players)
He then went on to say just how important it was for the AFL to get equalisation right to make the comp fair and even for clubs struggling off the field.
So on one hand PAFC don't want any advantages over true SANFL clubs (but are sure as hell willing to take them and argue for them) and quite happy to accept a blatantly unfair competition, yet on the other they're demanding equalisation and fairness in the AFL.
The hypocrisy was laughable as was his stuttering delivery of the nonsense he was trying to push. One can only assume he's smart enough not to believe his own bull$hit.

[stan]

[quote="westcoastpanther"]Further proof the Magpies are Gonzo...

http://www.portlincolntimes.com.au/stor ... e/?cs=1500

I do like the last line of that article. But really, have people been under a rock for the last 9 months? It was agreed that the zones would be realigned for 2015 onwards. Why is this such a surprise now?

No surprise, just further proof for the clowns that believe the Magpies still exist....

Just for some clarity, can someone define "the Magpies" and what constitutes "existence" please?

As I said earlier, I believe about 90% of people who support Port Adelaide in the AFL and SANFL aren't particularly concerned as to whether the Magpies "exist" or not. It's all for the greater good of the Port Adelaide Football Club (in whatever plane of reality you believe that club exists in). It's nice to see the prison bars and it's nice that they're still called the Magpies, but if they changed the nickname to the Power and wore the V then that's fine too. I'm sure Norwood will do fine with developing the EP and I'm sure they'll appreciate the extra support from Port Adelaide. I hope they develop a great partnership for years to come.

Smugness is strong in this one. Seriously mate make a profit first and pay the money back to the SANFL. If Port goes shite in the AFL, your crowds go sub 20k again you will begging for money from your Vic masters again. Remember you are still in debt, still making a loss and the record Grand Final losers. Your club has brought a highly liquid and asset rich organisation to its knees, and required a stadium financed by the state to the tune of half a billion to make your business model look even half ok.

Not only should the zones be taken off of Port, the weekly match payment for your Magpies should be doubled next year. Lets tax the b*stards till they choke.


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pretty sure the SANFL are doing there best to do this through the SMA.

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[Hazydog]

Interesting to hear Younnie after the game yesterday explain that Henderson could have played the game out but that they had a duty of care to ensure he was available for selection for this week's AFL fixture.
Didnt cost them the 2 pts in the end but came close to it.

[topsywaldron]

Heard Keith Thomas on 891 on Saturday, he said that 'Port Magpies don't want any advantages in the SANFL as it would diminish any achievements that they earned.' Not sure what he deems to be advantages or not.
He went on to say that Port will be affected next year by losing their juniors and zones. (I'm guessing that he deems this to be enough of a disadvantage to even out the $3m that they are breaking the salary cap by each week and having full time players)
He then went on to say just how important it was for the AFL to get equalisation right to make the comp fair and even for clubs struggling off the field.
So on one hand PAFC don't want any advantages over true SANFL clubs (but are sure as hell willing to take them and argue for them) and quite happy to accept a blatantly unfair competition, yet on the other they're demanding equalisation and fairness in the AFL.
The hypocrisy was laughable as was his stuttering delivery of the nonsense he was trying to push. One can only assume he's smart enough not to believe his own bull$hit.

Coming from a man who sat on a board that approved a lucrative consultancy for one Keith Thomas I'm not sure we can expect much in the way of honesty from him.

Great player mind you.

[topsywaldron]

Where are all the AFL reserves flogs posting about the awesome crowds for this weekend's games?

They seem to have gone missing, a bit like the SANFL crowds,

[wild dog]

No smugness intended, my views are genuine. I agree Port need to repay the loans, it'll happen eventually. And I agree that if the team plays poorly for extended periods the crowds will probably drop into the 20ks (I think playing at AO will still help to bring some people in purely for ease of access). This is nothing new so the only point in bringing it up is to make yourself feel better. But taxing the club until it chokes isn't exactly a sustainable business model is it? Let's say the PAFC folds, leaving only one AFL club in SA. 11 AFL games a year in a half billion dollar stadium, forever stamping SA football as a laughing stock.

Well its nice that you're not intending to be smug. Possibly with your club sitting on top of the AFL and SANFL ladders and getting decent crowds for a change, your cavalier attitude to turning up to the odd SANFL game so that you can see the historic magpies running about in their historic prison bar Guernsey's for real, comes across as smug. Like a fat arrogant pig smacking its lips after a delicious meal prepared by the rest of the farm animals.

FWIW and I have previously stated this, I am now at the point where the SANFL and the public purse having been flogged so hard by your organisation (another analogy,) that you not succeeding will bring not only our competition to a halt, but seriously hurt the public image of the state. So I can honestly say that seeing Port Power fill Adelaide Oval actually does make me feel good. What would be even better is to see them get thumped in the finals in front of a packed house. I would be there to cheer them on.

In terms of taxing the club to utilise the SANFL as a reserves competition, I am in no doubt that unless we go back to the previous model (which we know wont happen) the two AFL reserves clubs running about in the SANFL will lead to common sub 1000 crowds. This is becoming a reality at my club, and will lead to its demise. The only way then is for the reserves teams to either leave the competition and allow the dividend from the SMA to rebuild the prestige of the SANFL and prop the clubs for a few seasons, or for the reserves teams to remain and subsidise the competition through taxation. Next year the status quo will remain, so your club has to pay at least double the amount to play.

[wild dog]

Where are all the AFL reserves flogs posting about the awesome crowds for this weekend's games?

They seem to have gone missing, a bit like the SANFL crowds,

At home watching it on their big TV in the home theatre.

[maxyoz]

Where are all the AFL reserves flogs posting about the awesome crowds for this weekend's games?

They seem to have gone missing, a bit like the SANFL crowds,

They all went to Noarlunga to join everybody else from this august forum to watch the Integrity Cup - where apparently there was minus 2000 South supporters and minus 3000 Central supporters.

[Dogwatcher]

Haven't posted in here for a while, might boost my post count.

[topsywaldron]

Haven't posted in here for a while, might boost my post count.

Hopefully just taken your resistance underground.



Last night in the Dogwatcher household.

[Dogwatcher]

Funnily enough, I did sleep on a mattress on the floor last night.
That's what the mafia does when it goes to war, doesn't it?

[kickinit]

Heard Keith Thomas on 891 on Saturday, he said that 'Port Magpies don't want any advantages in the SANFL as it would diminish any achievements that they earned.' Not sure what he deems to be advantages or not.
He went on to say that Port will be affected next year by losing their juniors and zones. (I'm guessing that he deems this to be enough of a disadvantage to even out the $3m that they are breaking the salary cap by each week and having full time players)
He then went on to say just how important it was for the AFL to get equalisation right to make the comp fair and even for clubs struggling off the field.
So on one hand PAFC don't want any advantages over true SANFL clubs (but are sure as hell willing to take them and argue for them) and quite happy to accept a blatantly unfair competition, yet on the other they're demanding equalisation and fairness in the AFL.
The hypocrisy was laughable as was his stuttering delivery of the nonsense he was trying to push. One can only assume he's smart enough not to believe his own bull$hit.

Seriously how thick are some of you people, all you can say now that Port area winning games is we have a advantage. How do we have a advantage when the SANFL clubs are the one that put this proposal towards PAFC. Everything that we have this year was given to us by the 8 SANFL clubs, we didn't steal, we didn't cheat for it, we didn't pay for it, it was given to us. This is what 7 of the 8 SANFL clubs wanted.

If you want to have a cry like a 2 year old baby, stop crying about PAFC and go and cry to the clubs that wanted this.

[Wedgie]

Heard Keith Thomas on 891 on Saturday, he said that 'Port Magpies don't want any advantages in the SANFL as it would diminish any achievements that they earned.' Not sure what he deems to be advantages or not.
He went on to say that Port will be affected next year by losing their juniors and zones. (I'm guessing that he deems this to be enough of a disadvantage to even out the $3m that they are breaking the salary cap by each week and having full time players)
He then went on to say just how important it was for the AFL to get equalisation right to make the comp fair and even for clubs struggling off the field.
So on one hand PAFC don't want any advantages over true SANFL clubs (but are sure as hell willing to take them and argue for them) and quite happy to accept a blatantly unfair competition, yet on the other they're demanding equalisation and fairness in the AFL.
The hypocrisy was laughable as was his stuttering delivery of the nonsense he was trying to push. One can only assume he's smart enough not to believe his own bull$hit.

Seriously how thick are some of you people, all you can say now that Port area winning games is we have a advantage. How do we have a advantage when the SANFL clubs are the one that put this proposal towards PAFC. Everything that we have this year was given to us by the 8 SANFL clubs, we didn't steal, we didn't cheat for it, we didn't pay for it, it was given to us. This is what 7 of the 8 SANFL clubs wanted.

If you want to have a cry like a 2 year old baby, stop crying about PAFC and go and cry to the clubs that wanted this.

For the first time ever I agree with you 100%, I admire the Power for taking advantage of the morons who voted it in without having all the details.

[RB]

Advantage
noun
1. A condition or circumstance that puts one in a favourable or superior position.

[CUTTERMAN]

Heard Keith Thomas on 891 on Saturday, he said that 'Port Magpies don't want any advantages in the SANFL as it would diminish any achievements that they earned.' Not sure what he deems to be advantages or not.
He went on to say that Port will be affected next year by losing their juniors and zones. (I'm guessing that he deems this to be enough of a disadvantage to even out the $3m that they are breaking the salary cap by each week and having full time players)
He then went on to say just how important it was for the AFL to get equalisation right to make the comp fair and even for clubs struggling off the field.
So on one hand PAFC don't want any advantages over true SANFL clubs (but are sure as hell willing to take them and argue for them) and quite happy to accept a blatantly unfair competition, yet on the other they're demanding equalisation and fairness in the AFL.
The hypocrisy was laughable as was his stuttering delivery of the nonsense he was trying to push. One can only assume he's smart enough not to believe his own bull$hit.

Seriously how thick are some of you people, all you can say now that Port area winning games is we have a advantage. How do we have a advantage when the SANFL clubs are the one that put this proposal towards PAFC. Everything that we have this year was given to us by the 8 SANFL clubs, we didn't steal, we didn't cheat for it, we didn't pay for it, it was given to us. This is what 7 of the 8 SANFL clubs wanted.

If you want to have a cry like a 2 year old baby, stop crying about PAFC and go and cry to the clubs that wanted this.

Actually the main gist of the post was about Keith Thomas saying that Port didn't want any advantage in the SANFL as it would diminish any achievements. That being said, he's not doing anything about stopping these advantages is he. If Port truly didn't want these advantages they'd keep Magpies as a true SANFL team and put their AFL reserves elsewhere. But no, they chose to start doing this a few years ago by default. And again, what was promised in the One Club proposal???? "Port Magpies will never be Power reserves"....hmmmm.
I'm just pointing out what your CEO is putting forward in the media and the hypocritical claptrap that it is.
If we're going to follow your way of thinking shall we discuss the stadium deal at Footy Park? That's what Port agreed to so stop complaining. But no, it was everyone else's fault. Or shall we use the scenario of Port Magpies being a separate entity to Power? That's what you signed up to yet again who did you blame for it??? Let me guess. Everybody else?
Get my point?
Once again we have Port supporters willing to tar everybody else with blame when it suits you yet none of it falls back on you when it's your club that's pushed for unfair advantages.
I'd suggest you should comaining to your CEO if you don't like the message he puts out in public.

[CUTTERMAN]

While we're at it. Weren't Port trying to change the rules so they could keep Sommerton as the 28yo mature player on the Magpies list? So tell me again, who's trying to get the advantages.

[topsywaldron]

SANFL clubs never voted on the rules regarding Port's team, they were presented as a fair accompli by the completely excellent Commission after the yes vote to admit the Crowtards.

[Rising Power]

Actually the main gist of the post was about Keith Thomas saying that Port didn't want any advantage in the SANFL as it would diminish any achievements. That being said, he's not doing anything about stopping these advantages is he. If Port truly didn't want these advantages they'd keep Magpies as a true SANFL team and put their AFL reserves elsewhere. But no, they chose to start doing this a few years ago by default. And again, what was promised in the One Club proposal???? "Port Magpies will never be Power reserves"....hmmmm.
I'm just pointing out what your CEO is putting forward in the media and the hypocritical claptrap that it is.
If we're going to follow your way of thinking shall we discuss the stadium deal at Footy Park? That's what Port agreed to so stop complaining. But no, it was everyone else's fault. Or shall we use the scenario of Port Magpies being a separate entity to Power? That's what you signed up to yet again who did you blame for it??? Let me guess. Everybody else?
Get my point?
Once again we have Port supporters willing to tar everybody else with blame when it suits you yet none of it falls back on you when it's your club that's pushed for unfair advantages.
I'd suggest you should comaining to your CEO if you don't like the message he puts out in public.

I don't think this was ever stated. It wasn't proposed as part of the merger, that's as far as it went from what I remember. Everyone knew the Crows were going to be the ones to push the reserves issue eventually.

While we're at it. Weren't Port trying to change the rules so they could keep Sommerton as the 28yo mature player on the Magpies list? So tell me again, who's trying to get the advantages.

They didn't try, they did. Port also got an exemption to sign Jake Johansen as a 17 year old.

Edit: And Henry Slattery was signed as the 28 year old leadership player. The age cap was lifted by the SANFL.

The compromise was that the salary cap for the top up players be reduced.