The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[whufc]

whufc, the 6 to 9k people who attend SANFL games each week will not automatically go to an AFL if the SANFL didn't exist, many AFL fans don't follow the local 2 teams and others couldn't afford the ridiculous price for season passes to watch 2 bottom 8 teams.

On the point of females the AFL has far to rapidly expanded their product while the state female leagues are struggling to find competitive players already. Add to that our State Government pulling massive $ out of the budget for upgrades for female sports across the board and whatvlittle incentive females had to chase their footy dream is dwindling.

I know that but the AFL will back themselves in to win those supporters over time if the SANFL is a completely rubbish product. Even if they picked up 25% of them over 23 rounds that’s decent growth for them.

I’m talking more about female spectators attending afl not necessarily more female participating in Aussie rules although the two could be somewhat linked

[Dutchy]

Reduce the salary cap and there will be little to no difference between Div 1 and SANFL, in fact you could just merge them and have a premier grade with promotion/relegation.

[LMA]

Players like Marlion Pickett could be lost to the bush if there's no incentive to be playing at the next best level. And that's not going to benefit the AFL.

Oh spelly, how naive of you.
Don't you know the prospect of being picked up in the mid-season draft is guaranteed to keep players in the state leagues longer. wank wank wank

You're kidding yourself if you think that's not the case. I think 75% or more of mid season draftees this year got an AFL game, fair advertisement.

[LMA]

Reduce the salary cap and there will be little to no difference between Div 1 and SANFL, in fact you could just merge them and have a premier grade with promotion/relegation.

The Cap should be increased, but can all clubs afford it?

[whufc]

Reduce the salary cap and there will be little to no difference between Div 1 and SANFL, in fact you could just merge them and have a premier grade with promotion/relegation.

The Cap should be increased, but can all clubs afford it?

Honest answer probably not but for me it would provide a great incentive for clubs to get there arse into gear. Yes the richer clubs would probably succeed earlier days but good luck to them if they are running a better club.

The alternative is the salary cap gets reduced and the comp becomes a glorified amateur/country comp which is a worse case scenario compared to the rich clubs being successful.

[RocketRoosterJr]

So is the solution to increase the SANFL cap so all clubs can spend what the Legs do?

[whufc]

So is the solution to increase the SANFL cap so all clubs can spend what the Legs do?

If we want the competition to remain a level above the amateur/country league it just has to rise in the future. There is no other choice.

[therisingblues]

whufc, the 6 to 9k people who attend SANFL games each week will not automatically go to an AFL if the SANFL didn't exist, many AFL fans don't follow the local 2 teams and others couldn't afford the ridiculous price for season passes to watch 2 bottom 8 teams.

On the point of females the AFL has far to rapidly expanded their product while the state female leagues are struggling to find competitive players already. Add to that our State Government pulling massive $ out of the budget for upgrades for female sports across the board and whatvlittle incentive females had to chase their footy dream is dwindling.

I know that but the AFL will back themselves in to win those supporters over time if the SANFL is a completely rubbish product. Even if they picked up 25% of them over 23 rounds that’s decent growth for them.

I’m talking more about female spectators attending afl not necessarily more female participating in Aussie rules although the two could be somewhat linked

Just like if Woolworths or Coles targeted the little fruit store down the arcade from them.
Very little can be done when a corporate giant flexes its muscle.

[therisingblues]

The AFL have asked the SANFL to:

Remove the last touch out of bounds free kick.

Increase the 25 metre penalty to 50 metres.

Reduce the salary cap.

Any information on WHY exactly the AFL wants the salary cap reduced?

They only want all the state leagues to be development for AFL clubs and not in any way be any form of competition to them. If they could they would have all the state leagues removed from TV. You want to watch football, then they are the only option.

They feel that the relevant clubs would then put more into junior development (u/18s) for their draft.

It's all about them. Sorry, forgot about the grassroots training day once a year when the players wear their former guernsey's.

I suspected as much. Is this what the AFL is actually saying though? They can't just roll out requests without any reasoning.
If they officially came out and publically stated they wanted salary caps of state leagues reduced, in order to corner the market, how would average Joe AFL supporter react?

[FlyingHigh]

Players like Marlion Pickett could be lost to the bush if there's no incentive to be playing at the next best level. And that's not going to benefit the AFL.

Oh spelly, how naive of you.
Don't you know the prospect of being picked up in the mid-season draft is guaranteed to keep players in the state leagues longer. wank wank wank

You're kidding yourself if you think that's not the case. I think 75% or more of mid season draftees this year got an AFL game, fair advertisement.

From what I could see, 8 out of 13 picked played, and another five picks went unused.

If we could keep 25 x 20-25 yo's who might be 8-15th on an SANFL list, ie three per club, from going to the country or ammos for money that would really add to the depth of the SANFL, but do you think any of these are a realistic chance of being one of the 18 picks from all the players in Australia?

[LMA]

Players like Marlion Pickett could be lost to the bush if there's no incentive to be playing at the next best level. And that's not going to benefit the AFL.

Oh spelly, how naive of you.
Don't you know the prospect of being picked up in the mid-season draft is guaranteed to keep players in the state leagues longer. wank wank wank

You're kidding yourself if you think that's not the case. I think 75% or more of mid season draftees this year got an AFL game, fair advertisement.

From what I could see, 8 out of 13 picked played, and another five picks went unused.

If we could keep 25 x 20-25 yo's who might be 8-15th on an SANFL list, ie three per club, from going to the country or ammos for money that would really add to the depth of the SANFL, but do you think any of these are a realistic chance of being one of the 18 picks from all the players in Australia?

Very slight chance, but It doesn't matter what I think it's what the player and the people around him believe. If he has hope to make the AFL then as a SANFL club I would be using that to keep him there.

[LMA]

whufc, the 6 to 9k people who attend SANFL games each week will not automatically go to an AFL if the SANFL didn't exist, many AFL fans don't follow the local 2 teams and others couldn't afford the ridiculous price for season passes to watch 2 bottom 8 teams.

On the point of females the AFL has far to rapidly expanded their product while the state female leagues are struggling to find competitive players already. Add to that our State Government pulling massive $ out of the budget for upgrades for female sports across the board and whatvlittle incentive females had to chase their footy dream is dwindling.

I know that but the AFL will back themselves in to win those supporters over time if the SANFL is a completely rubbish product. Even if they picked up 25% of them over 23 rounds that’s decent growth for them.

I’m talking more about female spectators attending afl not necessarily more female participating in Aussie rules although the two could be somewhat linked

Just like if Woolworths or Coles targeted the little fruit store down the arcade from them.
Very little can be done when a corporate giant flexes its muscle.

Got the feels of a Ctrl C - Ctrl V post this one.

[gadj1976]

If the SANFL drops their salary cap anymore the SANFL will have no players left. I know a few quality ex-SANFL players (one recently retired) who simply left because the money is too low for them to give up 3 nights a week to train and a whole day on the weekend. Why would they when cashed up Country Clubs pay more and are happy if these types of players show up once a week to train!

Correct. This is the problem with the SANFL's business model in a nutshell.

[beef]

Former Central District coach Roy Laird slams SANFL over concessions offered to AFL clubs
Recently retired Central District coach Roy Laird is passionate about the SANFL, but he is angry at the help being offered to the league’s two AFL clubs.
Central District coaching legend Roy Laird has not held back in slamming the SANFL for pandering to the “squealing” of Adelaide’s AFL clubs.
The now-retired seven-times premiership coach took a parting shot at the league, claiming attractive concessions granted to the AFL clubs’ reserves after the 2018 season had significantly strengthened those teams to the detriment of the competition.
The introduction of base payments for top-up players had created an unfair situation, according to Laird, and allowing the reserves teams to have 17 AFL-listed players in the finals gave Adelaide and Port Adelaide a massive advantage given they could attract superior players.
Laird also noted comments from Port Adelaide when it said it would be putting all its resources into the state league finals following the Power’s demise and he argued the SANFL premiership was just a consolation prize. However, he said the SANFL flag is the ultimate prize for the traditional clubs.
“It was a disappointing season for North Adelaide, West Adelaide, Woodville-West Torrens and Central District,’’ Laird said.
“There will be great interest from a league point of view what concessions those clubs will be granted next year. Because it appears you just have to squeal and jump up and down, which is what Port and the Crows did last year, to be granted certain concessions.
“As we all know, there will be no such concessions for the SANFL’s traditional clubs, which will be another example we are prepared to bend over and appease their demands.”
The Crows and Power were hit by injuries last season, impacting on their reserves teams and they finished bottom and second bottom respectively.
The two clubs met with the SANFL and were granted a marquee player, plus were allowed to offer $20,000 in base payments with a cap of $4000 to attract high quality top up players.
Laird argues the bottom tiered players at SANFL clubs receive no base payments, just match fees, so why should their equivalent in the AFL reserves teams be offered the bonus money.
“Clearly players will jump to those clubs if they are in a position to offer more money,” Laird said. “It is a ridiculous situation.
“We spoke with potential recruits and they knocked us back on the line they were staying in the country to play football, then within weeks they signed with Adelaide or Port Adelaide on the basis of limited training expectations and what we assume more money with the base payments.
“Those clubs now also have the benefit of a mid-season draft and the potential to strengthen their sides with the best players from the traditional clubs. Why give them those other concessions as well?
“It would be extremely frustrating for South Adelaide, who just missed the finals, after losing players under the new AFL draft rules. Its whole livelihood depends on satisfying members, supporters and sponsors.”
Laird said the AFL clubs will argue they have yet to win the SANFL flag, but he noted Port had contested three grand finals, losing two by less than a goal, since becoming the Power reserves in 2014, while the Crows contested the preliminary final this year.
“The majority of SANFL clubs need the AFL reserves sides to have injuries to be competitive,” Laird said. “So why does the SANFL give them more concessions?”
SANFL general manager football Adam Kelly defended the changes to the regulations at the end of the 2018 season, claiming the introduction of a $20,000 player payment cap, in addition to a match payment limits of $400, was to underpin the attractiveness, relevance and quality of the league by ensuring “state league quality players were participating for the AFC and PAFC”.
“In many cases, the supplementary list players are aspirational and seeking further development, but were either lacking opportunity at SANFL league level or had not been part of the SANFL competition,” Kelly said.
“Ultimately, this has increased the pool of SANFL league quality players, with players such as Tom Hutchesson and Hamish Latchford, benefiting from the opportunity at AFC and PAFC and the resources they have provided for their development.”
Kelly noted the winning percentage of the AFL clubs in the six years they have been in the competition was 50 per cent.
An obligation of the licence agreement, entered into in 2013 and concluding at the end of the 2028 season, for the AFC and PAFC to compete in the league is to have an annual review of the terms and conditions of the licence, as well as the regulations pertaining to the AFL club teams.
The impact of last year’s changes is being assessed in a review of the 2019 season.

[bulldogproud]

Former Central District coach Roy Laird slams SANFL over concessions offered to AFL clubs
Recently retired Central District coach Roy Laird is passionate about the SANFL, but he is angry at the help being offered to the league’s two AFL clubs.
Central District coaching legend Roy Laird has not held back in slamming the SANFL for pandering to the “squealing” of Adelaide’s AFL clubs.
The now-retired seven-times premiership coach took a parting shot at the league, claiming attractive concessions granted to the AFL clubs’ reserves after the 2018 season had significantly strengthened those teams to the detriment of the competition.
The introduction of base payments for top-up players had created an unfair situation, according to Laird, and allowing the reserves teams to have 17 AFL-listed players in the finals gave Adelaide and Port Adelaide a massive advantage given they could attract superior players.
Laird also noted comments from Port Adelaide when it said it would be putting all its resources into the state league finals following the Power’s demise and he argued the SANFL premiership was just a consolation prize. However, he said the SANFL flag is the ultimate prize for the traditional clubs.
“It was a disappointing season for North Adelaide, West Adelaide, Woodville-West Torrens and Central District,’’ Laird said.
“There will be great interest from a league point of view what concessions those clubs will be granted next year. Because it appears you just have to squeal and jump up and down, which is what Port and the Crows did last year, to be granted certain concessions.
“As we all know, there will be no such concessions for the SANFL’s traditional clubs, which will be another example we are prepared to bend over and appease their demands.”
The Crows and Power were hit by injuries last season, impacting on their reserves teams and they finished bottom and second bottom respectively.
The two clubs met with the SANFL and were granted a marquee player, plus were allowed to offer $20,000 in base payments with a cap of $4000 to attract high quality top up players.
Laird argues the bottom tiered players at SANFL clubs receive no base payments, just match fees, so why should their equivalent in the AFL reserves teams be offered the bonus money.
“Clearly players will jump to those clubs if they are in a position to offer more money,” Laird said. “It is a ridiculous situation.
“We spoke with potential recruits and they knocked us back on the line they were staying in the country to play football, then within weeks they signed with Adelaide or Port Adelaide on the basis of limited training expectations and what we assume more money with the base payments.
“Those clubs now also have the benefit of a mid-season draft and the potential to strengthen their sides with the best players from the traditional clubs. Why give them those other concessions as well?
“It would be extremely frustrating for South Adelaide, who just missed the finals, after losing players under the new AFL draft rules. Its whole livelihood depends on satisfying members, supporters and sponsors.”
Laird said the AFL clubs will argue they have yet to win the SANFL flag, but he noted Port had contested three grand finals, losing two by less than a goal, since becoming the Power reserves in 2014, while the Crows contested the preliminary final this year.
“The majority of SANFL clubs need the AFL reserves sides to have injuries to be competitive,” Laird said. “So why does the SANFL give them more concessions?”
SANFL general manager football Adam Kelly defended the changes to the regulations at the end of the 2018 season, claiming the introduction of a $20,000 player payment cap, in addition to a match payment limits of $400, was to underpin the attractiveness, relevance and quality of the league by ensuring “state league quality players were participating for the AFC and PAFC”.
“In many cases, the supplementary list players are aspirational and seeking further development, but were either lacking opportunity at SANFL league level or had not been part of the SANFL competition,” Kelly said.
“Ultimately, this has increased the pool of SANFL league quality players, with players such as Tom Hutchesson and Hamish Latchford, benefiting from the opportunity at AFC and PAFC and the resources they have provided for their development.”
Kelly noted the winning percentage of the AFL clubs in the six years they have been in the competition was 50 per cent.
An obligation of the licence agreement, entered into in 2013 and concluding at the end of the 2028 season, for the AFC and PAFC to compete in the league is to have an annual review of the terms and conditions of the licence, as well as the regulations pertaining to the AFL club teams.
The impact of last year’s changes is being assessed in a review of the 2019 season.

Well said, Roy!!
I think we need Roy in charge of the SANFL now

[Reddeer]

Former Central District coach Roy Laird slams SANFL over concessions offered to AFL clubs
Recently retired Central District coach Roy Laird is passionate about the SANFL, but he is angry at the help being offered to the league’s two AFL clubs.
Central District coaching legend Roy Laird has not held back in slamming the SANFL for pandering to the “squealing” of Adelaide’s AFL clubs.
The now-retired seven-times premiership coach took a parting shot at the league, claiming attractive concessions granted to the AFL clubs’ reserves after the 2018 season had significantly strengthened those teams to the detriment of the competition.
The introduction of base payments for top-up players had created an unfair situation, according to Laird, and allowing the reserves teams to have 17 AFL-listed players in the finals gave Adelaide and Port Adelaide a massive advantage given they could attract superior players.
Laird also noted comments from Port Adelaide when it said it would be putting all its resources into the state league finals following the Power’s demise and he argued the SANFL premiership was just a consolation prize. However, he said the SANFL flag is the ultimate prize for the traditional clubs.
“It was a disappointing season for North Adelaide, West Adelaide, Woodville-West Torrens and Central District,’’ Laird said.
“There will be great interest from a league point of view what concessions those clubs will be granted next year. Because it appears you just have to squeal and jump up and down, which is what Port and the Crows did last year, to be granted certain concessions.
“As we all know, there will be no such concessions for the SANFL’s traditional clubs, which will be another example we are prepared to bend over and appease their demands.”
The Crows and Power were hit by injuries last season, impacting on their reserves teams and they finished bottom and second bottom respectively.
The two clubs met with the SANFL and were granted a marquee player, plus were allowed to offer $20,000 in base payments with a cap of $4000 to attract high quality top up players.
Laird argues the bottom tiered players at SANFL clubs receive no base payments, just match fees, so why should their equivalent in the AFL reserves teams be offered the bonus money.
“Clearly players will jump to those clubs if they are in a position to offer more money,” Laird said. “It is a ridiculous situation.
“We spoke with potential recruits and they knocked us back on the line they were staying in the country to play football, then within weeks they signed with Adelaide or Port Adelaide on the basis of limited training expectations and what we assume more money with the base payments.
“Those clubs now also have the benefit of a mid-season draft and the potential to strengthen their sides with the best players from the traditional clubs. Why give them those other concessions as well?
“It would be extremely frustrating for South Adelaide, who just missed the finals, after losing players under the new AFL draft rules. Its whole livelihood depends on satisfying members, supporters and sponsors.”
Laird said the AFL clubs will argue they have yet to win the SANFL flag, but he noted Port had contested three grand finals, losing two by less than a goal, since becoming the Power reserves in 2014, while the Crows contested the preliminary final this year.
“The majority of SANFL clubs need the AFL reserves sides to have injuries to be competitive,” Laird said. “So why does the SANFL give them more concessions?”
SANFL general manager football Adam Kelly defended the changes to the regulations at the end of the 2018 season, claiming the introduction of a $20,000 player payment cap, in addition to a match payment limits of $400, was to underpin the attractiveness, relevance and quality of the league by ensuring “state league quality players were participating for the AFC and PAFC”.
“In many cases, the supplementary list players are aspirational and seeking further development, but were either lacking opportunity at SANFL league level or had not been part of the SANFL competition,” Kelly said.
“Ultimately, this has increased the pool of SANFL league quality players, with players such as Tom Hutchesson and Hamish Latchford, benefiting from the opportunity at AFC and PAFC and the resources they have provided for their development.”
Kelly noted the winning percentage of the AFL clubs in the six years they have been in the competition was 50 per cent.
An obligation of the licence agreement, entered into in 2013 and concluding at the end of the 2028 season, for the AFC and PAFC to compete in the league is to have an annual review of the terms and conditions of the licence, as well as the regulations pertaining to the AFL club teams.
The impact of last year’s changes is being assessed in a review of the 2019 season.

Well said, Roy!!
I think we need Roy in charge of the SANFL now

He would do a darn sight better job than those there at the moment, I reckon

[Dogs64]

Roy, such a legend. Says what so many in the SANFL are too gutless to say. Makes a difference when you can say what you honestly think as you're not looking to suck up to the afl or "feather your own nest". He could sort the sanfl out in a week, to the benefit of the sanfl.

[Dogs64]

Former Central District coach Roy Laird slams SANFL over concessions offered to AFL clubs
Recently retired Central District coach Roy Laird is passionate about the SANFL, but he is angry at the help being offered to the league’s two AFL clubs.
Central District coaching legend Roy Laird has not held back in slamming the SANFL for pandering to the “squealing” of Adelaide’s AFL clubs.
The now-retired seven-times premiership coach took a parting shot at the league, claiming attractive concessions granted to the AFL clubs’ reserves after the 2018 season had significantly strengthened those teams to the detriment of the competition.
The introduction of base payments for top-up players had created an unfair situation, according to Laird, and allowing the reserves teams to have 17 AFL-listed players in the finals gave Adelaide and Port Adelaide a massive advantage given they could attract superior players.
Laird also noted comments from Port Adelaide when it said it would be putting all its resources into the state league finals following the Power’s demise and he argued the SANFL premiership was just a consolation prize. However, he said the SANFL flag is the ultimate prize for the traditional clubs.
“It was a disappointing season for North Adelaide, West Adelaide, Woodville-West Torrens and Central District,’’ Laird said.
“There will be great interest from a league point of view what concessions those clubs will be granted next year. Because it appears you just have to squeal and jump up and down, which is what Port and the Crows did last year, to be granted certain concessions.
“As we all know, there will be no such concessions for the SANFL’s traditional clubs, which will be another example we are prepared to bend over and appease their demands.”
The Crows and Power were hit by injuries last season, impacting on their reserves teams and they finished bottom and second bottom respectively.
The two clubs met with the SANFL and were granted a marquee player, plus were allowed to offer $20,000 in base payments with a cap of $4000 to attract high quality top up players.
Laird argues the bottom tiered players at SANFL clubs receive no base payments, just match fees, so why should their equivalent in the AFL reserves teams be offered the bonus money.
“Clearly players will jump to those clubs if they are in a position to offer more money,” Laird said. “It is a ridiculous situation.
“We spoke with potential recruits and they knocked us back on the line they were staying in the country to play football, then within weeks they signed with Adelaide or Port Adelaide on the basis of limited training expectations and what we assume more money with the base payments.
“Those clubs now also have the benefit of a mid-season draft and the potential to strengthen their sides with the best players from the traditional clubs. Why give them those other concessions as well?
“It would be extremely frustrating for South Adelaide, who just missed the finals, after losing players under the new AFL draft rules. Its whole livelihood depends on satisfying members, supporters and sponsors.”
Laird said the AFL clubs will argue they have yet to win the SANFL flag, but he noted Port had contested three grand finals, losing two by less than a goal, since becoming the Power reserves in 2014, while the Crows contested the preliminary final this year.
“The majority of SANFL clubs need the AFL reserves sides to have injuries to be competitive,” Laird said. “So why does the SANFL give them more concessions?”
SANFL general manager football Adam Kelly defended the changes to the regulations at the end of the 2018 season, claiming the introduction of a $20,000 player payment cap, in addition to a match payment limits of $400, was to underpin the attractiveness, relevance and quality of the league by ensuring “state league quality players were participating for the AFC and PAFC”.
“In many cases, the supplementary list players are aspirational and seeking further development, but were either lacking opportunity at SANFL league level or had not been part of the SANFL competition,” Kelly said.
“Ultimately, this has increased the pool of SANFL league quality players, with players such as Tom Hutchesson and Hamish Latchford, benefiting from the opportunity at AFC and PAFC and the resources they have provided for their development.”
Kelly noted the winning percentage of the AFL clubs in the six years they have been in the competition was 50 per cent.
An obligation of the licence agreement, entered into in 2013 and concluding at the end of the 2028 season, for the AFC and PAFC to compete in the league is to have an annual review of the terms and conditions of the licence, as well as the regulations pertaining to the AFL club teams.
The impact of last year’s changes is being assessed in a review of the 2019 season.

Where was this?

[DOC]

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[Wedgie]

Bugger the SANFL, let's put him in charge of the country!