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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Hopeful Jelly » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:56 pm

Whatever actually happened, it was a massive balls up, and we'll probably never know the truth unless there is an independent investigation.

Aside from that, the rules have to be changed around requesting a count, losing the whole score, etc.

Fairest thing I've thought of is penalising the team 1 goal for every minute (or part thereof) of the infringement. This would be:
- a sufficient deterrent for a team deliberately infringing,
- is fairer than the idea of removing whatever that was scored during this time (as a team could put a player in defense and prevent the opposition from scoring, without scoring themselves), and
- is a more appropriate penalty than removing a team's whole score up to that point (especially for an accidental infringement lasting a short period)

Having a clear cut set penalty means that it can also be applied after a game has been completed, meaning that you don't have tribunal hearings to work out what the penalty should be (although additional fines, suspensions, etc could be applied depending on severity, if deliberate, etc).

Additionally, a team that knows that they have infringed, then has an understanding as to how much they need to win a game by to be safe, should they be penalised after the game has been completed.


Failing all of this, it wouldn't be the dumbest thing for the SANFL to adopt the AFL's 6-6-6 rule. Most infringements occur at the start of a quarter when there is confusion as to who should be on/off the field, so any infringement would most likely be detected immediately at the opening bounce for the quarter, and then corrected without any impact on the game.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Booney » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:02 pm

SANFL MEDIA RELEASE

The SA Football Commission has today adopted new regulations relating to the counting of players following the 19th player incident in the 2018 SANFL preliminary final.

The new regulations to take effect in the SANFL Statewide Super League from next season are:

Calling for a count:
the capacity to call for a head count has been extended from the captain to include the vice-captain and runner.

In-game penalty: if deemed by the umpire following a head count that a team has more than 18 players on the field, the team in breach will not lose any points scored in the match. Instead, the field umpire will pay a free kick and 50 metre penalty and report the circumstances (including the time that the breach occurred in the game and the score line) to SANFL for post-match consideration.

Post-match review: a review may be instigated either by a report from a field umpire where a head count has occurred in-game as described above, or a club, league or other match official can request a review by SANFL within 24 hours of the conclusion of the match. If a breach is established, SANFL can determine the penalty – by way of a fine, reversal of the match result or any other sanction as deemed appropriate. SANFL management will have the authority to deal with any minor indiscretion. However, any breach that may have had an impact on the result of the match will be referred to the SANFL Tribunal.

Match day procedure: whilst the responsibility for ensuring that there are 18 players on the field of play and three interchange players will remain with clubs, SANFL will implement new game day procedures to remove the potential for error by club officials, particularly to ensure that a match/quarter does not commence until all interchange players have been accounted for.

SANFL General Manager of Football Adam Kelly said that regulation change was deemed necessary following the events of the SANFL Preliminary Final in which North Adelaide Football Club was found guilty of having 19 players on the field for a period of 3 minutes and 39 seconds at the commencement of the final quarter.

“After our experience in dealing with the 19th player incident in the preliminary final and a full review of procedures, SANFL believes that the changes approved by the SA Football Commission provide a more reasonable in-game penalty and appropriately broaden the powers to investigate post-match, along with greater flexibility of sanctions to deal with breaches on a circumstantial basis,” Mr Kelly said.

“The appointment of an additional match day official will also ensure compliance with all regulations and procedures, including that a match does not commence until interchange players from each team have been accounted for.”
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Wedgie » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:34 pm

The SANFL are always proactive and not reactive! :lol:
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby beef » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:55 pm

Funny last night, Centrals v North Adel womens trial game. Start of last quarter North had extra player on the field. Obviously being a trial no one cared and player just came off after error was found.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Wedgie » Fri Jan 18, 2019 3:18 pm

beef wrote:Funny last night, Centrals v North Adel womens trial game. Start of last quarter North had extra player on the field. Obviously being a trial no one cared and player just came off after error was found.

One day other teams will catch onto our plan. ;)
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Lurker » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:50 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
SANFL don't have an Emergency umpire during the season, only during the Finals. Interchanges are monitored by Champion Data.

My understanding is the Champion Data official went up to North bench at start of last quarter and said you only have two on the bench. They told him one of their players was injured and down in the change rooms (which they honestly thought as they had couple of injuries). At the two minute mark the Champion Data guy noticed one of the numbers he had listed on the bench was on the field, he then brought that to Norths attention who went "****", and then tried desperately to get a player off, which happened at the 3.38 minute mark.

Eagles knew none of this at the time, not till they asked Emergency Umpire what was going on, the player was already off by then.


This narrative is not 100% perfect but is pretty close to the mark. In the minute and a half (roughly - the CD guy wasn’t sure exactly when he approached North but thought it was about 2 mins in) before Allmond came off, a North trainer went down to the rooms to see who the third player on the bench was, realised there was nobody there, reported that back to the bench, they worked out they had 19, had their “****” moment, shouted at the nearest player (Allmond) to get off, he didn’t come because it wasn’t his rotation yet, then they sent a runner out to get him.

All the stuff about North knowing 30 or 45 seconds into the quarter is garbage.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Brett » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:21 pm

Yawn . Anyone would think they an extra player on for a quarter ! Move on . North won and then backed it up the following week. Simple.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby locky801 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:54 pm

Brett wrote:Yawn . Anyone would think they an extra player on for a quarter ! Move on . North won and then backed it up the following week. Simple.


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