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Thanks to Phil Herden for all these stats as is the case in the match threads too.
I usually only put these up occasionally as it takes a hell of a long time to format them.
For something different I'll format it different to this year by just summarising team by team:

Central:

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Attack Ranking (Points Scored Per Game):            1     (123.6)
Defence Ranking (Points Allowed Per Game:           1     (69.8)
Accuracy Ranking:                                   1     (93 goals 61 pts - 60.4% goals per shot)
Kicks (per game):                                   1     (214.4)
Handballs (per game):                               9     (92.0)
% of Handballs/Possessions:                               (30.0%)
Possessions (per game):                             1     (306.4)
Marks (per game):                                   1     (102.6)
Frees for (per game):                               7     (22.6)
Frees against (per game):                           5     (22.6)
Scoring Shots (per game):                           1     (30.8)
Kicks per scoring shot:                             3     (6.96)
Ball efficiency (Possessions per scoring shot):     1     (9.95)
Players Used at League Level:                       26
Players who have played every match this season:    13

Glenelg:

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Attack Ranking (Points Scored Per Game):            9     (74.2)
Defence Ranking (Points Allowed Per Game:           4     (89.4)
Accuracy Ranking:                                   5     (54 goals 46 pts - 54.0% goals per shot)
Kicks (per game):                                   9     (164.6)
Handballs (per game):                               5     (107.6)
% of Handballs/Possessions:                               (39.5%)
Possessions (per game):                             9     (272.2)
Marks (per game):                                   4     (77.0)
Frees for (per game):                               1     (27.2)
Frees against (per game):                           4     (21.4)
Scoring Shots (per game):                           9     (20.0)
Kicks per scoring shot:                             8     (8.23)
Ball efficiency (Possessions per scoring shot):     7     (13.61)
Players Used at League Level:                       30
Players who have played every match this season:    12

North:

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Attack Ranking (Points Scored Per Game):            4     (92.2)
Defence Ranking (Points Allowed Per Game:           2     (74.0)
Accuracy Ranking:                                   8     (67 goals 59 pts - 53.2% goals per shot)
Kicks (per game):                                   3     (191.2)
Handballs (per game):                               8     (93.8)
% of Handballs/Possessions:                               (32.9%)
Possessions (per game):                             6     (285.0)
Marks (per game):                                   6     (74.2)
Frees for (per game):                               6     (22.8)
Frees against (per game):                           3     (21.2)
Scoring Shots (per game):                           4     (25.2)
Kicks per scoring shot:                             5     (7.59)
Ball efficiency (Possessions per scoring shot):     4     (11.31)
Players Used at League Level:                       27
Players who have played every match this season:    16

Norwood:

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Attack Ranking (Points Scored Per Game):            5     (89.4)
Defence Ranking (Points Allowed Per Game:           8     (107.0)
Accuracy Ranking:                                   7     (65 goals 67 pts - 53.3% goals per shot)
Kicks (per game):                                   7     (171.0)
Handballs (per game):                               2     (120.6)
% of Handballs/Possessions:                               (41.4%)
Possessions (per game):                             4     (291.6)
Marks (per game):                                   9     (61.4)
Frees for (per game):                               3     (24.4)
Frees against (per game):                           8     (27.6)
Scoring Shots (per game):                           5     (24.4)
Kicks per scoring shot:                             4     (7.01)
Ball efficiency (Possessions per scoring shot):     5     (11.95)
Players Used at League Level:                       29
Players who have played every match this season:    14

Port:

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Attack Ranking (Points Scored Per Game):            2     (104.3)
Defence Ranking (Points Allowed Per Game:           3     (88.8)
Accuracy Ranking:                                   8     (91 goals 80 pts - 53.2% goals per shot)
Kicks (per game):                                   2     (198.2)
Handballs (per game):                               4     (110.0)
% of Handballs/Possessions:                               (35.7%)
Possessions (per game):                             2     (308.2)
Marks (per game):                                   2     (84.8)
Frees for (per game):                               5     (24.3)
Frees against (per game):                           7     (24.2)
Scoring Shots (per game):                           2     (28.5)
Kicks per scoring shot:                             2     (6.95)
Ball efficiency (Possessions per scoring shot):     3     (10.81)
Players Used at League Level:                       25
Players who have played every match this season:    16

South:

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Attack Ranking (Points Scored Per Game):            8     (78.2)
Defence Ranking (Points Allowed Per Game:           8     (104.8)
Accuracy Ranking:                                   6     (57 goals 49 pts - 53.8% goals per shot)
Kicks (per game):                                   6     (172.2)
Handballs (per game):                               1     (125.0)
% of Handballs/Possessions:                               (42.1%)
Possessions (per game):                             3     (297.2)
Marks (per game):                                   7     (74.0)
Frees for (per game):                               5     (23.4)
Frees against (per game):                           9     (29.0)
Scoring Shots (per game):                           7     (21.2)
Kicks per scoring shot:                             7     (8.12)
Ball efficiency (Possessions per scoring shot):     9     (14.02)
Players Used at League Level:                       29
Players who have played every match this season:    16

Sturt:

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Attack Ranking (Points Scored Per Game):            7     (80.2)
Defence Ranking (Points Allowed Per Game:           5     (90.6)
Accuracy Ranking:                                   2     (60 goals 41 pts - 59.4% goals per shot)
Kicks (per game):                                   4     (178.6)
Handballs (per game):                               6     (101.8)
% of Handballs/Possessions:                               (36.3%)
Possessions (per game):                             7     (280.4)
Marks (per game):                                   8     (73)
Frees for (per game):                               8     (21.4)
Frees against (per game):                           2     (19.8
Scoring Shots (per game):                           8     (20.2)
Kicks per scoring shot:                             9     (8.84)
Ball efficiency (Possessions per scoring shot):     8     (13.88)
Players Used at League Level:                       30
Players who have played every match this season:    13

West:

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Attack Ranking (Points Scored Per Game):            6     (88.0)
Defence Ranking (Points Allowed Per Game:           7     (101.0)
Accuracy Ranking:                                   3     (63 goals 46 pts - 57.8% goals per shot)
Kicks (per game):                                   7     (168.2)
Handballs (per game):                               3     (118.6)
% of Handballs/Possessions:                               (41.4%)
Possessions (per game):                             5     (286.8)
Marks (per game):                                   3     (81.4)
Frees for (per game):                               9     (17.2)
Frees against (per game):                           6     (23.8)
Scoring Shots (per game):                           6     (21.8)
Kicks per scoring shot:                             6     (7.72)
Ball efficiency (Possessions per scoring shot):     6     (13.16)
Players Used at League Level:                       29
Players who have played every match this season:    14

Woodville-West Torrens:

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Attack Ranking (Points Scored Per Game):            3     (97.0)
Defence Ranking (Points Allowed Per Game:           6     (100.4)
Accuracy Ranking:                                   4     (70 goals 59 pts - 54.3% goals per shot)
Kicks (per game):                                   5     (176.6)
Handballs (per game):                               7     (99.4)
% of Handballs/Possessions:                               (36.0%)
Possessions (per game):                             8     (276.0)
Marks (per game):                                   5     (75.2)
Frees for (per game):                               2     (25.0)
Frees against (per game):                           1     (19.2)
Scoring Shots (per game):                           3     (25.8)
Kicks per scoring shot:                             1     (6.84)
Ball efficiency (Possessions per scoring shot):     2     (10.7)
Players Used at League Level:                       27
Players who have played every match this season:    14

No handball is the rule this year at Centrals, apparently.

Really interesting set of statistics, great work Phil.

I always like comparing Frees for and Frees agains to see which clubs fans really should be whinging.

Here's the table from best run of umpire to worst:

Equal top: Eagles & Glenelg (both getting 5.8 more frees per game than they give away)
3rd: Sturt (2 more pg)
4th: North (1 more pg)
Equal 5th: Central & Port (about the same)
7th: Norwood (get 3 less per game than what they give away)
8th: South (5.6 less pg)
9th: West (6.6 less pg)

So there you yhave it folks, the Bays and Eagles get a great run and should never whinge.
South and Westies get a shocking run and have every right to whinge.

Wedgie wrote:I always like comparing Frees for and Frees agains to see which clubs fans really should be whinging.

Here's the table from best run of umpire to worst:

Equal top: Eagles & Glenelg (both getting 5.8 more frees per game than they give away)
3rd: Sturt (2 more pg)
4th: North (1 more pg)
Equal 5th: Central & Port (about the same)
7th: Norwood (get 3 less per game than what they give away)
8th: South (5.6 less pg)
9th: West (6.6 less pg)

So there you yhave it folks, the Bays and Eagles get a great run and should never whinge.
South and Westies get a shocking run and have every right to whinge.

This seems to blow REB's theory that the top sides get the most frees paid against them!

And also the doggies supporters who have been claiming they are hard done by.

Perhaps but not completely. Simple stats don't tell the story. You really need to go over the game and work out which frees should have been given, and which shouldn't. If you then compare what should have been given to what did you would get a better indication of who's getting ripped off. The team with the ball gets the most frees, and the man in front gets the most frees. Reckon the dogs get the ball more, and play in front more.

Where are the TACKLE counts? I think tackle counts are just about the most important.

Grahaml wrote:Perhaps but not completely. Simple stats don't tell the story. You really need to go over the game and work out which frees should have been given, and which shouldn't. If you then compare what should have been given to what did you would get a better indication of who's getting ripped off. The team with the ball gets the most frees, and the man in front gets the most frees. Reckon the dogs get the ball more, and play in front more.

Where are the TACKLE counts? I think tackle counts are just about the most important.

Yeah I agree in regard to the umpiring but as I said it can make interesting reading although my deductions are purely tongue in cheek.

Dunno about the Tackles, Phil doesn't usually do that category, would be interesting though.

For once blacky is right the umps do give the bloods a hard time

Wedgie wrote:

Grahaml wrote:Perhaps but not completely. Simple stats don't tell the story. You really need to go over the game and work out which frees should have been given, and which shouldn't. If you then compare what should have been given to what did you would get a better indication of who's getting ripped off. The team with the ball gets the most frees, and the man in front gets the most frees. Reckon the dogs get the ball more, and play in front more.

Where are the TACKLE counts? I think tackle counts are just about the most important.

Yeah I agree in regard to the umpiring but as I said it can make interesting reading although my deductions are purely tongue in cheek.

Dunno about the Tackles, Phil doesn't usually do that category, would be interesting though.

Phil has said that he doesn't do the tackle count as they are pretty inaccurate in compiling them. Although keeping in mind of the differences in the Glenelg Stats team to the Advertiser, I reakon these stats should all come from the teams.

Who does the SANFL use for their official statistics? The Advertiser of the club's statistics?

scott wrote:Who does the SANFL use for their official statistics? The Advertiser of the club's statistics?

Unfortunately the Advertiser.

I find it very disappointing actually that the SANFL, Advertiser and all clubs can't work together to get a single set of accurate statistics. It is ridiculous that there are multiple sets of people doing the same thing at each game, (with hugely varying degrees of accuracy...).

At Glenelg we are willing to support whatever system the SANFL would like to put in place to achieve this - why can't all the other parties agree

Glenelg
Possessions (per game): 9 (272.2)

This just shows that whoever does the Advertiser Glenelg stats is the least competent and misses the most possessions!

Ecky wrote:

scott wrote:Who does the SANFL use for their official statistics? The Advertiser of the club's statistics?

Unfortunately the Advertiser.

I find it very disappointing actually that the SANFL, Advertiser and all clubs can't work together to get a single set of accurate statistics. It is ridiculous that there are multiple sets of people doing the same thing at each game, (with hugely varying degrees of accuracy...).

At Glenelg we are willing to support whatever system the SANFL would like to put in place to achieve this - why can't all the other parties agree

Good point. I find it amazing that the SANFL would let something like this be run by the media.

Glenelg
Possessions (per game): 9 (272.2)

Sorry to have another whinge on this topic (I know I sound a bit like a broken record. ) but...


Just to show how meaningless these stats are...
according to our stats, we have recorded 908 kicks and 647 handballs for Glenelg this year, which comes to an average of 311 posessions per game.

This would put Glenelg in 1st position in order of most possessions, rather than 9th

It is frustrating that the only way we have to compare stats between teams is using what the Advertiser publishes. Phil puts in a lot of effort to maintain these records, and it is a pity that the SANFL can't supply him with accurate information.

Wedgie wrote:I always like comparing Frees for and Frees agains to see which clubs fans really should be whinging.

Here's the table from best run of umpire to worst:

Equal top: Eagles & Glenelg (both getting 5.8 more frees per game than they give away)
3rd: Sturt (2 more pg)
4th: North (1 more pg)
Equal 5th: Central & Port (about the same)
7th: Norwood (get 3 less per game than what they give away)
8th: South (5.6 less pg)
9th: West (6.6 less pg)

So there you yhave it folks, the Bays and Eagles get a great run and should never whinge.
South and Westies get a shocking run and have every right to whinge.

Add this to last year's stats which showed Westies getting a statistically abnormal bad free kick result.

Ecky wrote:

Glenelg
Possessions (per game): 9 (272.2)

Sorry to have another whinge on this topic (I know I sound a bit like a broken record. ) but...


Just to show how meaningless these stats are...
according to our stats, we have recorded 908 kicks and 647 handballs for Glenelg this year, which comes to an average of 311 posessions per game.

This would put Glenelg in 1st position in order of most possessions, rather than 9th

It is frustrating that the only way we have to compare stats between teams is using what the Advertiser publishes. Phil puts in a lot of effort to maintain these records, and it is a pity that the SANFL can't supply him with accurate information.

That would make you 9th in terms of efficiency

Ecky wrote:

Glenelg
Possessions (per game): 9 (272.2)

Sorry to have another whinge on this topic (I know I sound a bit like a broken record. ) but...


Just to show how meaningless these stats are...
according to our stats, we have recorded 908 kicks and 647 handballs for Glenelg this year, which comes to an average of 311 posessions per game.

This would put Glenelg in 1st position in order of most possessions, rather than 9th

It is frustrating that the only way we have to compare stats between teams is using what the Advertiser publishes. Phil puts in a lot of effort to maintain these records, and it is a pity that the SANFL can't supply him with accurate information.

You are assuming they only bugger up the Glenelg stats Ecky - I am sure they are all wrong in some way and the end result is comparitive accuracy. In short, the Bays are still probably 9th.

smac wrote:You are assuming they only bugger up the Glenelg stats Ecky - I am sure they are all wrong in some way and the end result is comparitive accuracy. In short, the Bays are still probably 9th.

Sure, but I think they tend to have the same person doing the stats for each club each week, which makes the variables of "statistician" and "club" confounded (apologies for the stats terminology)
And if last week is anything to go by (they missed 53 of Glenelg's possessions compared to 18 of the Eagles) the rate of accuracy definitely varies between clubs.
I wouldn't put any money on Glenelg truly having had the most possessions, but there is a good chance that we are not 9th. (Not sure if that is a good or a bad thing though!)

Ecky wrote:

smac wrote:You are assuming they only bugger up the Glenelg stats Ecky - I am sure they are all wrong in some way and the end result is comparitive accuracy. In short, the Bays are still probably 9th.

Sure, but I think they tend to have the same person doing the stats for each club each week, which makes the variables of "statistician" and "club" confounded (apologies for the stats terminology)
And if last week is anything to go by (they missed 53 of Glenelg's possessions compared to 18 of the Eagles) the rate of accuracy definitely varies between clubs.
I wouldn't put any money on Glenelg truly having had the most possessions, but there is a good chance that we are not 9th. (Not sure if that is a good or a bad thing though!)

i would probably suggest we would have the most possessions or at the very least be top 3 as whichever of us are calling the opposition we always seem to saying less than our glenelg calling statistician.

While I'm sure the Advertiser isn't 100% accurate, I can imagine how much more innacurate it would be if the clubs told the Advertiser how many kicks etc they had. Best in the hands of a third party. Where do the ABC get their stats from on game day when they commentate?

Perhaps so boys, but I reckon the premiership table is right though...