chocko's contempt for the sanfl

[bayman]

now i know they are his players, but he wants teams to play them in certain positions, he wants them played in the league teams which i can understand but tonight he has two players 'rested' for this week & there is a distinct possibility of a 3rd player to be rested as well, now this resting of players is in my opinion complete contempt of the sanfl & all the clubs in the sanfl

the sooner both adelaide & port field a reserves team in the vfl the better

the 3rd player is tommy logan he although named will not play, he is also being rested, obviously being named they'll come up with a late minute injury

[BPBRB]

Well they are AFL Club players so they can do what they like with them. I suspect Lonie may have already made plans for his mid-season break before losing form and beig dropped. I would think he will be in Vic for a short family holiday.

Personally from my North point of view Lonie was never in the Senior plans for 2007 and to be honest he doesn't look that interested and we will be better off without him. As I have said all along (as have others), SANFL clubs have to stop relying on AFL listed players to boost them. Centrals have been dominant without relying on them and North have recruited KPP so they don't have to rely on AFL players always being available - although it is nice to see Gill back this week and McIntyre in the two's as well.

[topsywaldron]

North have recruited KPP so they don't have to rely on AFL players always being available

I thought your beef was that that's exactly what they didn't do? Or do you love Andrew Newton this week?

I can't keep up with North fans and their flighty ways.

[Hondo]

Chocco and Craigy are 100% focussed on their own teams and with the pressure they are under to perform, I can't blame them for not looking past their own needs. It's the system that's wrong.

I agree the SANFL clubs should basically write their AFL-listed players off as major parts of their season-plans because they can lose them at any time, including the eve of the finals. They come in and out, have to play certain positions, play for opponents reserves teams if they have the bye, etc, etc. It makes a mockery of the SANFL however I don't know the right answer to it .... Crows and Power reserves teams would have a huge impact on the SANFL.

[Jimmy]

i agree bayman, while i dont want to rely on them, bentley has been great for sturt, and i can understand when he gets dropped to the power team, but to be 'rested' is bullshit and it makes me hate that crap shit more.

its all ******* bollocks!!!!

[mal]

Greg Bentley is rested this week by the power BULLSHIT
I want my leggies to win , but also would like to see GB in action as well.

What shits me is finals time
Remarkably when the Afl + Sanfl finals are on certain players are deemed fit
enough to play for either team.
As soon as the AFL team is eliminated they need operations.
If the Sanfl team is eliminated they continue to be available for the AFL club.

[mal]

Meanwhile West Adelaide reserves will be in crisis this week with the AFL byes.....

[bayman]

Chocco and Craigy are 100% focussed on their own teams and with the pressure they are under to perform, I can't blame them for not looking past their own needs. It's the system that's wrong.

I agree the SANFL clubs should basically write their AFL-listed players off as major parts of their season-plans because they can lose them at any time, including the eve of the finals. They come in and out, have to play certain positions, play for opponents reserves teams if they have the bye, etc, etc. It makes a mockery of the SANFL however I don't know the right answer to it .... Crows and Power reserves teams would have a huge impact on the SANFL.

you missed one point hondo & that was i said they should have a reserves team in the vfl not sanfl

[BPBRB]

North have recruited KPP so they don't have to rely on AFL players always being available

I thought your beef was that that's exactly what they didn't do? Or do you love Andrew Newton this week?

I can't keep up with North fans and their flighty ways.

No - go back and read all my previous comments. I have always had the same view. I have no idea where you got confused but just to settle the confusion here goes:

In 2004-2005 we had a heavy reliance on having AFL KPP players like Damon White, Ian Perrie and Hudson being available otherwise we looked light on without them. In 2006 we went out and got Alleway, Weatherley, Schubert, Cox etc as KPP as well as uncovering McIntyre and getting O'Hara in the ruck. We also lost before the ball was bounced in 2006 all our first choice KP defenders in Roe, Gillam and Hunt to the draft. Subs our defence was not as strong as it originally was. We still ended up relying on Hudson and Perrie by seaons end.

This year we got Hart as a KPP to bolster the defence but lost Hargy and technically both McIntyre and Gill as KPP although both by virtue of beign picked up by Adelaide still tied to North. Without Gill and with Weatherly and Walker injured we have looked light on up foward but at least Wundke has looked the part since being blooded. Having Gill is a bonus of course. In all reality taking Gill out, Hart being injured all the time and McIntyre injured for the past few weeks and could be given a run up with the Crows when his form comes back, I think we are still 3 KPP players light on - our best 21 (not counting Ben Hart) is still relying on at the momemnt, two AFL fill in's to play Key possies regardless of the fact they both were drafted from North and have yet to make their offficial AFL debuts. We also are currently playing 2 rookie listed AFL players (Grose and Gallman) in our current 21 both playing in key positions most weeks.

Now topsy which bit didn't you understand?

[NFC]

Meanwhile West Adelaide reserves will be in crisis this week with the AFL byes.....

[topsywaldron]

Now topsy which bit didn't you understand?

This bit.

North have recruited KPP so they don't have to rely on AFL players always being available

I think we are still 3 KPP players light on

Not forgetting the bit where you've moaned since the start of the year about North's lack of KPP recruiting. Like Kieran McGuinness for instance.

Which reminds me, did you ever hear the story about how he finished up at Norwood rather than North? Ask your CEO or GM or whatever he's called these days to fill you in.

[Jimmy]

Now topsy which bit didn't you understand?

This bit.

North have recruited KPP so they don't have to rely on AFL players always being available

I think we are still 3 KPP players light on

Not forgetting the bit where you've moaned since the start of the year about North's lack of KPP recruiting. Like Kieran McGuinness for instance.

Which reminds me, did you ever hear the story about how he finished up at Norwood rather than North? Ask your CEO or GM or whatever he's called these days to fill you in.

didnt north steal a player right out from under the legs nose as well? nttawwt

[mal]

Mark Williams comment referring to Lonie + Bentley
Advertiser 22/06/07

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"Theres no benefit-they are not going to improve their fitness or their form."
said Williams
" But they can get injured."
And we do not want to lessen our options at selection by having one or
both injured in the SANFL this weekend."
_____________________________________________________________

Dear Mark why play any of your fit or in form players at all in the SANFL.????????

PS how did Robbie Gray and Justin Westoff get so many games in the SANFL this year.

Very nice for those clubs to have those 2 FIT AND IN FORM young champs for several weeks .......

[Macca19]

This thread is a load of garbage. Its not the first time AFL based players have been rested during their week off. BOTH clubs in Adelaide have rested players during this week every year. Adelaide have pulled their players from SANFL finals for end of year surgery when the SANFL club needed them. Didnt hear whinging when that happened. Port have just lost Salopek for the next 2 months. It is in their best interests to keep the players next in line for his spot fit for the following week. Playing them in this weeks games are an unnecessary risk.

If you don’t like it, put it to your club to abstain from picking anyone in the mini draft, then you don’t have to worry about it.

[Wedgie]

Crows are doing it too, they insited McIntyre only play a half game of ressies for North despite him never having played a game for.

PS Topsy there's a difference between insisting a team is short of KPP and that they don't recruit them. For eg North have recruited plenty of them, its just we can't hang onto them that is the problem (ie Hargraves, McEntee, Grocke, etc) or get them on the ball park in Hart's case. If we have a full team on the park we should be OK as Wundke has stepped up to the plate at FF, Alleway is the best CHF in the comp, Schubert is a great CHB and if Ben Hart could get on the park would be great at FB. Throw young Grose and Gallman into the mix with the possibility of a Gill, Perrie, etc playing a few games and we should be alright, your confusion stems from the fact you think when one North supporter makes a comment which you misunderstand that its all North's supporter's opinions, unlike some supporter groups we have many differered and varied opinions.

[am Bays]

This thread is a load of garbage. Its not the first time AFL based players have been rested during their week off. BOTH clubs in Adelaide have rested players during this week every year. Adelaide have pulled their players from SANFL finals for end of year surgery when the SANFL club needed them. Didnt hear whinging when that happened. Port have just lost Salopek for the next 2 months. It is in their best interests to keep the players next in line for his spot fit for the following week. Playing them in this weeks games are an unnecessary risk.

If you don’t like it, put it to your club to abstain from picking anyone in the mini draft, then you don’t have to worry about it.

Mate I don't necessaarily disagree with what you are saying, especially teh bit about both clubs becasue yes I acknowledge Adelaide do it too, but don't say people haven't complained about it. Every year on this site and on Footy SA at finals time people moaned about AFL players who had qualified for SANFL finals not playing becasue they were off getting corrective srgery or being rested.

Unfortunatly it hasn't affected my club.....

[Wedgie]

As long as Port and the Crows remember that the SANFL own their licenses and its the 9 SANFL clubs that make up the SANFL.
They seem to think the cart comes before the horse sometimes.
In regard to players and their availability the only way to go is not rely on 1 AFL listed player and if they do play for your team just count it as a bonus, its what Centrals has managed to do for at least 7 years and what other clubs should aspire too.

[mal]

And another PP player doubtful next week.???
Tom Logan MUST therefore be rested from tomorrows game ???

[Jimmy]

macca, if we all go by williams logic, no afl player should play any sanfl games EVER AGAIN, 'coz they may get injured'

its a crock of shit and williams is a tool bag...hell the afl shits me to tears anyway, WGAF about it

end of rant, sorry

[Macca19]

Its a completely different Jimmy and you know it. Its the AFLs bye week. If it was an AFL reserves competition instead of splitting up between clubs then most likely the reserves would have a bye anyway. Had there been a game this weekend, Bentley would be playing for the Power anyway so whats the difference? Bentley is Ports responsibility, they can do with him how they see fit. Do you pay his wages? Will you pay his injury bill if he gets injured? Port have every right to rest a player during their bye week.

If your going to go down a ridiculous path, then why just complain about one player being rested? If its the AFL bye week, why shouldn’t every player on the AFL lists play this week? Should I be spewing that Tredrea, Wilson, Burgoynes, Mcleod, Wakelin, Thompson aren’t available to play this week?

Wedgie – yes the SANFL owns the licences for both clubs, but I think its about time some clubs step out from that security.