Interesting article in the tiser today re salary cap

[Jimmy]

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21992555-21546,00.html

would be interested to hear thoughts on this.

[Coorong]

I read it earlier (on line) very interesting. Doubt details will ever be made public but would love to be a fly on the wall at some of the meetings

[Wedgie]

I have problems with this for 2 reasons:

1) some players do play for less at clubs more attractive to them for various reasons, for eg Ian Callinan who the Dogs had given up on because of the money the Eagles offered him but Callinan rang Centrals back and took their lower offer.
2) what's to stop some of the more jealous clubs that can't recruit from lying? For eg North could tell the SANFL they offered Prendergast 60k when they in fact offered him 25k. (that's hypothetical, I have no idea)

[Jimmy]

I have problems with this for 2 reasons:

1) some players do play for less at clubs more attractive to them for various reasons, for eg Ian Callinan who the Dogs had given up on because of the money the Eagles offered him but Callinan rang Centrals back and took their lower offer.
2) what's to stop some of the more jealous clubs that can't recruit from lying? For eg North could tell the SANFL they offered Prendergast 60k when they in fact offered him 25k. (that's hypothetical, I have no idea)

im sure the league could only take documented evidence as fact surely?????

[Wedgie]

im sure the league could only take documented evidence as fact surely?????

Nothing's been signed so there would be no official documentation, I could type up a letter with Sturt letterhead saying Im offering Jimmy from New York $100k a season and it still doesn't fix scenario 1 I suggested.
If the people involved with the salary cap don't know the sort of money being offered for players then they shouldn't be in the job as there's plenty of people that do.

[Jimmy]

im sure the league could only take documented evidence as fact surely?????

Nothing's been signed so there would be no official documentation, I could type up a letter with Sturt letterhead saying Im offering Jimmy from New York $100k a season and it still doesn't fix scenario 1 I suggested.
If the people involved with the salary cap don't know the sort of money being offered for players then they shouldn't be in the job as there's plenty of people that do.

yeah true, i was talking about scenario 2 but probably right there too....

hey, when do i get my $100K? i'll wear a north jumper for that

[Rushby Hinds]

Clubs uneasy at demands
Article from: Font size: http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,21992555-21546,00.html
DOUG ROBERTSON
June 30, 2007 02:15am
THE SANFL has taken the extraordinary step of asking clubs to provide the facts and figures on offers they made to recruits who didn't eventually sign.

Players from at least four clubs have been called to West Lakes – with their contracts – for "interviews" with the Salary Cap Investigations Committee.

The "Stalinesque" method – which pits neighbour against neighbour – of intelligence-gathering has split the clubs.

The league says the information is to be used to catch those who insist on breaking the new salary cap regulations put in place in September.

Suspicion of wrong-doing would arise if a club reported offering (for example) $30,000 a year to a player who ended up playing at another club for $20,000 according to his contact.

But some SANFL general managers said they were "uncomfortable" about revealing what, they say, should remain confidential.

All general managers said the crooks must be caught but several also said they didn't like being party to what they considered to be essentially dobbing-in fellow clubs.

"We want clubs who break the salary cap to be caught but I don't really want to be part of it if it comes about because of something we did," said one general manager, who wished not to be identified.

Another said: "As a club we are supportive of the committee using all its powers to flush out anyone that's not compliant and not being a lame duck."

Wally Miller, the former Norwood general manager who heads the Salary Cap Investigations Committee, rang the clubs about two months ago asking for the details.

The committee does not respond to media enquiries but SANFL football operation manager Glen Rosser defended its actions.

"The Salary Cap Investigations Committee is certainly an active committee and one of its methods of operation is to enquire about recruits this year," he said. "Everybody hears rumour and innuendo about players' payments and the committee has gone to the clubs to collect some data."

[am Bays]

It can't be a salary cap issue no mention of North Adelaide.....

(sorry SAFooty tradition we have to mention North and Salary cap together )

[Blacky]

4 clubs under the pump
north
centrals
south
port
just a wisper i have heard
we all know that these 4 clubs are well over dont we
they will be found out
shit will hit the fan
so get your excuses ready boy's
because this is a warning

[Grahaml]

I'd heard Callinan turned down bigger money to play for the dogs. Nice idea, but unfortunately speculation that "we offerd X, so the club he went to must be paying more" doesn't actually cut it. Need more proof I'm afraid. Just a media beat up by someone looking to fill space in their poor excuse for a paper.

[BPBRB]

I'd heard Callinan turned down bigger money to play for the dogs. Nice idea, but unfortunately speculation that "we offerd X, so the club he went to must be paying more" doesn't actually cut it. Need more proof I'm afraid. Just a media beat up by someone looking to fill space in their poor excuse for a paper.

Yes his name got mentioned as well today when speaking to an "official" as part of a similar complaint against Centrals re this matter.

Clutching at straws should be the title of the story if this is the best that some of these under performing (on and off field) clubs are doing in terms of complaining from what I have been "reliably" told.

[smithy]

HEHEHE, The defensive North juggernaut has set in....

No need to throw out a pilly when "salary cap" and "north" is mentioned (including 3 other clubs I might add).

Next time lads, just buy a bag of gents instead of buying a block of pillies.

[RustyCage]

Theres more to signing for a certain club than just the money offered to you. Im sure players would take less cash to play for a club that has a chance to win the flag over a club that doesn't.

[Pseudo]

If I were you Blacky you and your club should worry about the mess you have at Richmond. You still can't get rid of the ghost of Doug, Weed is a crap coach, you are paying an overated pie eater big money to do f*uck all for you, you have no supporters - do I need to go on?
P.S. What's it like to be outnumbered 10-1 at your own home game by the visiting teams fans? Whats going to happen when all your current supporters "cark it" - you would have the oldest per average age supporter base in the league. I can see the day coming that the doors will close at Richmond for lack of interest when the 2 old men and their dog get sick of watching your rabble.

As sledges on this website go, the above paragraph easily sits among the best. Pure poetry. Each word is an individual dagger, lancing stright through the heart of the opponent. Never was a sledge more succinct yet so thorough.

I especially liked the "pie eater" bit.

[Hondo]

If I were you Blacky you and your club should worry about the mess you have at Richmond. You still can't get rid of the ghost of Doug, Weed is a crap coach, you are paying an overated pie eater big money to do f*uck all for you, you have no supporters - do I need to go on?
P.S. What's it like to be outnumbered 10-1 at your own home game by the visiting teams fans? Whats going to happen when all your current supporters "cark it" - you would have the oldest per average age supporter base in the league. I can see the day coming that the doors will close at Richmond for lack of interest when the 2 old men and their dog get sick of watching your rabble.

As sledges on this website go, the above paragraph easily sits among the best. Pure poetry. Each word is an individual dagger, lancing stright through the heart of the opponent. Never was a sledge more succinct yet so thorough.

I especially liked the "pie eater" bit.

I was about to quote that angry paragraph too ... makes me wonder now how true the 'whisper' is if that's the level of response

But you're right Psuedo - that's as intense a sledge as I have seen on this site too

[redandblack]

This explains why there was an article on the cap by (I think) Greg Griffin recently.

Pre-emptive strike.

Now BPRBP, having recovered from your understated and considered attack on Westies and their crowds, I find that the crowd yesterday was almost exactly the crowd at Prospect on the famous black plastic day. Enough said.

As to the cap, last year, Westies, with possibly one of the worst lists in its history, was $5,000 over the cap on its own admission and rightly fined.

This year, along with several other clubs, Westies chased players such as James Allan and Ian Callinan. For proof about Allan, ask Wedgie who will verify that. They know what they offered, as do the other clubs. Now it is possible that these types of players might play for a higher club for a bit less, but not for a lot less. It's also possible that the higher clubs can 'hide' payments through various means, legal or otherwise, but let's not pretend its not being done.

The league is now interviewing players and clubs about what was paid and offered. Far from being 'Stalinesque', it seems to be just the League doing its job in a proper manner. What have the dissenting clubs got to hide by not co-operating?

As much as it irks you, blacky is spot on. North, Centrals, Port and South have to be making payments well above the cap. I suspect the complaints are coming from clubs who can't afford to compete if other clubs are rorting the cap, which seems to be a reasonable approach.

What would your opinion be if (say) North were declaring to the league that only 2 or 3 players were being paid over $20K? I don't know if that is the case, but to abide by the rules, it would have to be not far off.

Look at the lists on this site recently of clubs AFL listed players. Take out the 'locals' and the obvious lower paid recruits from that list and you'll get a rough idea of the order of spending by Clubs.

[MightyEagles]

It can't be a salary cap issue no mention of North Adelaide.....

(sorry SAFooty tradition we have to mention North and Salary cap together )

No mention of South Adelaide either.

[Macca19]

The premice of the article just doesnt make sense. In fact its quite pathetic really.

"We offered him 40k so he must be on that". Whats stopping some clubs from making it up just to cause hassles?

I agree that if clubs are over the cap then it needs to be found out. If my club is over then so be it. We'll come across that if it happens.

If a club is offering a player $20k a year to play footy and $20k a year to work at their pub then there isnt any problem in that. Until the SANFL bans that then I doubt anyone will be significantly over the cap.

Not the 2-3-4 times over that certain people keep saying.

[firstblood]

BPBRB Quoted.....P.S. What's it like to be outnumbered 10-1 at your own home game by the visiting teams fans?
You should know when you had McDermott and Hart coaching your lot.

[stampy]

keep it up fellas loving it, why is it that as soon as salary cap rorting is mentioned everyone turns and looks north? and the reds go straight up in arms and straight onto the defensive, reminds me a bit of the poms on the last day of our test match last summer