SA Footy

JK wrote:

woodublieve12 wrote:Was anyone else thinking why Rikon Stark didn't run in a zig zag motion?

Lol yup .. Great episode last night, well and truly lived up to the build up.

I'm sure the survivors of the North will fall back under house Stark now, but they'd be pretty low on numbers given all houses were involved in the battle.

With all the death from wars from the original season to now I'm wondering how any house in all of Westeros has got any soldiers left. Gonna be pretty easy for Daenerys to take back the throne.

cracka wrote:

JK wrote:

woodublieve12 wrote:Was anyone else thinking why Rikon Stark didn't run in a zig zag motion?

Lol yup .. Great episode last night, well and truly lived up to the build up.

I'm sure the survivors of the North will fall back under house Stark now, but they'd be pretty low on numbers given all houses were involved in the battle.

With all the death from wars from the original season to now I'm wondering how any house in all of Westeros has got any soldiers left. Gonna be pretty easy for Daenerys to take back the throne.

Especially if she bides her time and waits til everyone back in Westeros and surrounding area's all have at it.

By the time she gets there, she'll be fighting white walkers

Dogwatcher wrote:As far as battle scenes go, I reckon it outdoes Saving Private Ryan for reality..

Thought there were quite a few plot holes really.

Somehow jon snow doesn't get 400 arrows in him when there are 100 archers shooting at only him - when Ramsay can hit rickon from longer away?

Then he kills like 100 people by himself

Then Sansa suddenly arrives with a whole army even though the travel time would have been days. So they would have been pretty close when Jon and Sansa had their argument - she either knew and didn't tell him, or they failed to either send Ravens or runners forward of the army to tell them they were coming.

Also, when both sides met each other, as if neither of them planned some sort of ambush. 5 archers hiding as Ramsay rides off and shoot him in the back.

Loved the cinematography but the plot was pretty average

Still an awesome episode though

PS the greyjoys have the fastest ships in history

bennymacca wrote:

Dogwatcher wrote:As far as battle scenes go, I reckon it outdoes Saving Private Ryan for reality..

Thought there were quite a few plot holes really.

Somehow jon snow doesn't get 400 arrows in him when there are 100 archers shooting at only him - when Ramsay can hit rickon from longer away?

Then he kills like 100 people by himself

Then Sansa suddenly arrives with a whole army even though the travel time would have been days. So they would have been pretty close when Jon and Sansa had their argument - she either knew and didn't tell him, or they failed to either send Ravens or runners forward of the army to tell them they were coming.

Also, when both sides met each other, as if neither of them planned some sort of ambush. 5 archers hiding as Ramsay rides off and shoot him in the back.

Loved the cinematography but the plot was pretty average

Still an awesome episode though

PS the greyjoys have the fastest ships in history

Thanks buzzkillington

it was still awesome though

Littlefinger and the Knights of the Vale had left to find Sansa about 3 episodes ago....

Plenty of time...

Jase wrote:Littlefinger and the Knights of the Vale had left to find Sansa about 3 episodes ago....

Plenty of time...

I'm not doubting that but why wouldn't they let them know they are coming?

In the words of Sargent Doakes from Dexter "surprise Motherf#####". That's why

bennymacca wrote:

Dogwatcher wrote:As far as battle scenes go, I reckon it outdoes Saving Private Ryan for reality..

Thought there were quite a few plot holes really.

Somehow jon snow doesn't get 400 arrows in him when there are 100 archers shooting at only him - when Ramsay can hit rickon from longer away?

Then he kills like 100 people by himself

Then Sansa suddenly arrives with a whole army even though the travel time would have been days. So they would have been pretty close when Jon and Sansa had their argument - she either knew and didn't tell him, or they failed to either send Ravens or runners forward of the army to tell them they were coming.

Also, when both sides met each other, as if neither of them planned some sort of ambush. 5 archers hiding as Ramsay rides off and shoot him in the back.

Loved the cinematography but the plot was pretty average

Still an awesome episode though

PS the greyjoys have the fastest ships in history

I get your point, but there have to be plot holes in any battle scene in any movie/tv show - otherwise, how do the main protagonists survive to continue the story arc? It's the action and the reality of the battle around the characters that is important - can you believe what's happening around them? I sure as shit did.
In terms of cinematography, I reckon it was a step up from SPR. 15 or so years on, technological improvements allowed the producers to up the ante.
The way the horses, in the midst of battle, just appeared from nowhere to run through soldiers. The way a man just appears to come from nowhere to kill someone who's attention is elsewhere, probably just focused on survival. The way two men were fighting for their lives, only for a third to all of a sudden fatally end the fight. The noise, the groans, the injuries.
The best part, for mine, though, was Jon Snow gradually getting buried and trampled, fighting for breath, almost suffocating from the lack of air, which was rapidly becoming more fetid. That scene was claustrophobic, just as I imagine it would be in RL. Tormund's hand-to-hand battle and its ending also put the icing on the cake, so to speak. Those two moments really felt like the horrors that I'd read about on the Western Front (and heard in Dan Carlin's Hardcore History series about WWI) - I'd never seen anything on screen quite as vivid and 'realistic'.
The one question I'd have is, are there any battles in history where the bodies are recorded as being piled up in that way, forming a 'natural' wall?

Yeah the part where Jon was getting half buried would rank as one of the best scenes in the show

I did have to laugh during the battle when Davos calls for the mounted troops to get out there and help Jon Snow. They took an eternity on horseback to get there, but not long after Davos and the other stragglers ran off to join the fray - Would there have been anyone left to kill by the time they got there?

They got there in time to be encircled, didn't they?

Dogwatcher wrote:They got there in time to be encircled, didn't they?

Yeah I think so, Ser Davos should run at Flemington next weekend

How good was the Davos and Tormund banter

Q. wrote:How good was the Davos and Tormund banter

Need to get those two + Bron and the Hound in a Tavern scene

JK wrote:

Q. wrote:How good was the Davos and Tormund banter

Need to get those two + Bron and the Hound in a Tavern scene

Haha **** yes, that can be an entire episode

A spin off series even

Q. wrote:

JK wrote:

Q. wrote:How good was the Davos and Tormund banter

Need to get those two + Bron and the Hound in a Tavern scene

Haha **** yes, that can be an entire episode

Add Brienne to that scene too.